Curt’s Radio Interview (1998?):
Int.: Now you mentioned ‘Sun King’, so…
CS: [chuckles nervously]
Int.: We'll try to make it painless. So, I gather the subject matter is openly presented.
CS: Yeah.
Int.: I guess I gather at this point: you're still really not on good terms then.
CS: Well, I don't… I don't think it's necessary that we're not on good terms. I mean, because how would we know? We haven't spoken to each other for years. But no, the… I mean, to straighten out the whole story behind ‘Sun King’ and, you know, people ask, and I said, ‘Well, yeah’, I mean, it's sort of a reply to ‘Fish Out of Water’, but you've got to put all these things in perspective because… a: when I first heard ‘Fish Out of Water’, it didn't piss me off. I found it quite amusing and… in a perverse way flattering, that someone would write a song about me, albeit in particularly unflattering terms. And then when I was writing ‘Sun King’, it was one of those songs that started literally with the chords, and… there's different ways I start songs. It may be like with a lyric idea, like ‘Jasmine's Taste’, or maybe with like the trumpet line on ‘What Are We Fighting For’, and that's the melody I remember. And with… with ‘Sun King’, it was a very discordant song, and it sounded musically very angry, so I wanted the lyrics to be angry. So then I go back thinking something I'm angry about, and so… this is the thought process I'm going through, and… but always in the back of my mind with a certain sort of tongue-in-cheek, you know, maturity about the whole thing that, you know, I really wasn't that pissed off, like I said, but it's an angry song, so how should I do this? And then like some, ‘Okay, I'm angry at Roland, right’ and… So how do I like translate that anger? Well, I think of ‘Fish Out Of Water’ at this point in time and I think, well, it's a very cerebral song and it's a very sort of roundabout way of dissing me, you know, and so I think, ‘Okay, how would one answer that?’ And I'm thinking of us as people, and we're different that way as people. He's very cerebral and he's into astrology, and, you know, and psychics, and all this kind of stuff, and I'm pretty straightforward and base, and that was the, you know, a lot of the time the reason why we work well together, strangely enough. And so I'm thinking of, ‘Okay, so I'm the bass one’. So, in more ways than one, forgive the musical pun. And so I'm thinking along the lines of, well, someone's like being very cerebral with you, and your answer would be what? And I'm like, okay, well, na-na-na-na-na, your mama's fat, kind of thing. You know, that's the way you want to deal with it. So that's ‘Sun King’. That's my version of that. ‘Sun King’ is just my way of being really straight ahead, like, ‘Go screw yourself’, basically, as opposed to being too like intellectual about it or anything. And the whole, I mean… I wasn't amusing myself while doing it, so it wasn't like it's all like really bass anger and it's a hundred percent men, you know? I… I find sort of half of it amusing in it's, because it's so based, and it's not the way I feel about him most of the time at all. But it's... it was just an answer to a song, and that's the way I wanted to make it, and, you know, I find it amusing, and hopefully he can take it the same way, but who knows?
Q Magazine (05.2004):
Q: Roland, is Fish Out Of Water (from Elemental, his first ‘solo’ Tears For Fears album) about Curt? If so, those are some pretty cutting lyrics...
RO: Yes, it is, and it contains some of my favourite lyrics. “We used to sit and talk about primal scream/To exorcise our past was our adolescent dream/But now its sink or swim since your memory fails/Now in Neptune's kitchen you will be food for killer whales.” Fantastic, no? Pure vitriol.
CS: I couldn't give a fuck, quite frankly. It's a compliment, in some ways.
RO: Absolutely. It means I cared deeply for him. [Laughs] That’s one way of interpreting it, anyway…
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Q: After the fallout in 1990, was Roland pleased to see Curt’s career flop?
RO: I didn't like his first solo album at all, but then nor did he. I felt it was going in the wrong direction. But his second, Mayfield, was really good. I thought to myself, ‘Why didn't he do this when we were together? I wouldn't have let him?’ Well, that’s probably true. I did view Tears For Fears very much as my band, I suppose.
Metro Silicon Valley (08.07.2009):
"I thought it was quite amusing," Smith says of the song today. "That was a song obviously written out of anger. I'd left the band, he was pissed off, and fair enough." (Smith recorded a response, "The Sun King," on his next solo album.)
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As for the vindictive songs they once wrote for each other? Water under the bridge, says Smith — even though he still feels he got in a humorous last word.
"The 'Fish Out of Water' thing was a little obtuse," he says. "And my song was like, 'Yeah, but you're fat.'"
