Wade: Regenerating katanas? A Snuggie that comes with a matching mask? Pineapple-flavored lube? My own talk show? Sparkle bullets? A big metal hunk of a boyfriend?
Cable: Jesus, Wade. I was going to say 'help.' You need help.
The after math of seeing the Cable and Deadpool movie, funnily, is literally just me staring off into space as I think back on all the rude sp**deypool shippers I use to get harassed by?
You know, the ones who use to yell at how I said no to drawing that ship because it is MONDO uncomfortable and skeevy to me, when people made Wade very...rapey... - ANYWAY... but they’d use the comment “Cable isn’t even ATTRACTIVE. He’s UGLY.” to shit on me? Like it was funny and stupid at the time because I love my old soldier messiah complex son, but also like.... lol? Chill??
BUT NOW? NOW.... THE TAG IS LITERALLY SO THIRSTY THAT MERELY GOING INTO IT ONCE, WAS LIKE THE OCEAN DRIED UP BECAUSE THE THIRST IS THAT BAD.
LIKE IT’S THIRSTY IN THERE....I’ve been losing my shit for 24 hours laughing, honestly??
Spends over an hour talking to my buddy about comics once he finished Loki finally and sent me a meme to fucking talk shit on the poetry boys LMFAO
Casually writes a novel on comic blorbos.......
Jer brought up a really neat point and we kinda went off on like... both our experiences with Marvel comics and how they have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot with their fucking retcons and shit. Mostly like, in terms of it weirdly kinda... detracts from characters and maybe bits and pieces people related to? For me it was what drew me INTO dynamics of characters at times?
Now, I haven't touched a comic in almost 10 years so... anything that happened from the Marvel NOW! launch and forward is a mystery to me, and I'm ignorant on [to preface this long ass post...] Also my memory is spotty.
Also possibly spoilers for the new season if you haven't caught up on Loki :v so yaknow. IF YOU READ THIS AND CARE...
Jer and I were talking about the basis of the show really kinda became like how can we take this fan favorite character, let him have some emotional depth, maybe have some friends and do some fucky stuff with it. LETS GET WEIRD WITH IT??
It kinda harkens back to themes that made me ultimately fall in love with Deadpool comics, and reminds me of why I dropped reading his stuff too. I'll circle back to this lol.
Anyone who knows me, knows I'm a huge sucker for a found family, and I'm a bigger sucker for characters defeating fate or the narrative. I'm big on the best friend/possible romantic option of a character that sees what an absolute dumpster fire next to a textile factory someone is, and still thinks there's something good in there.
I find it funny how much I couldn't STAND the hype of Loki as a character as long as he's been in the MCU because my experience with him has always been comics/cartoons and him being a little HOO HOO HEE HEE gremlin of a bastard. Just HATED him. Excellent MCU costume designs though.
The movies he's just a little weasel of a backstabbing bastard, and I find him annoying. Like yes, I see there's emotional trauma in EVERYTHING that makes his background aside from his mother, and yes I get the narrative of him as a villain etc - but I don't feel compelled by it, personally. That's just me though - I'm FASCINATED by people that are civil minded stans and can argue for why he's fascinating. But also, how much of that is personal projection too?
When I was getting into comics, the Siege event was going on so Loki's face was everywhere in like...2010?? So many teeth... And he was KILLED, and they started doing the Kid Loki stuff and I read a little bit of that because two of my RP friends in the Avenger's group I was in - and it was neat! Then in like 2014 they started doing... what was it, Agent of Asgard? That was....something. I never read it but it was interesting to see them make a workaround for them to kinda...breathe new life into a character people were getting into again!
NEAT STUFF, THAT'S NEAT TO ME!! I LOVE A REVAMP LIKE THAT!! I like the Marvel theme of escaping your reputation. I love that theme. It's like what they did with Evan, the uh Kid Apocalypse. I adore the whole aftermath of Uncanny X-Force for that - Evan just...fucking destined to be Apocalypse and fucking he's so DETERMINED NOT TO BE, and to learn his powers etc. I'm pretty sure he became... Genesis? And died fighting... ;; big sigh... at least he proved his worth, right?
But Jer and I talking about all this kinda made me sad too because we were discussing sort of the way Marvel can take an unlikeable bastard, and with the right handling, they can get something REALLY interesting with it!!
When I first got into Deadpool like...2011 or something I did it because I was annoyed seeing him everywhere and thought 'Surely there's more to him than fart and ass jokes?' and I was right, thankfully.
But I'd also spend a lot of time slogging through a lot of shit, and seeing him kind of BECOME only fart and ass jokes... Like, the movies are fun and stuff, I guess but... I honestly can't stand them very much. But that's me, if people enjoy them? Okay, tight. But also like Daniel Way just, OOF.
Interesting parallel - kinda made it click in place WHY I think I've been enjoying the Loki show. Like, when I picked up Deadpool I SLOGGED through the Joe Kelly run, which is just Wade being a little self-depreciating soggy, abusive and shitheaded person really. Hiding behind his paper bag over his face, excusing his actions because shit sucks - like just kind of a shitty awful and exhausting person overall. WOE!!! A piece of shit! And I get some of the shit that happens to him outside the OBVIOUS is fucky - but I don't know, it was kinda relentless. I feel like even when life deals you all lemons, there's still something in there to tell storywise to curb just the ONSLAUGHT of oh wow poor me... Can you tell I don't enjoy this run of comics? LMAO
But as you get through that, you start to get side comics that kinda do a bit more to polish him up. He's a jerk, and he's sensitive to how fucked up his face looks, but he isn't a wet feral animal ALL the time? He's just rude. Really rude. Random. We start to grasp OOOH IT'S AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE TO COVER SHIT WITH JOKES... man, I can relate to that haha HAHAHHA....
I got into reading Cable & Deadpool because my friend Johnly was HUGE into Xmen and it seemed inevitable to get into it... but it was well written and drawn and like... I'm married to it as my favorite comic. Those are my boys. Those are my besties. That's the comic ship I didn't ask for and I got it. That's the bromance/romance I go up to bat for. Any capacity - those are the BOYS. MY SONS.
It's my favorite trope; I've seen your worst, and I still think there's good in you. You just need someone in your corner.
FUCKING SCREAMS. Even still, in a non-shipping way that's my fucking duo DYNAMIC. You will sell me so often on ANYTHING with that.
When Cable and Deadpool came around, it rolled in after the Agent X comic, which gave us like a 'Clone' of Deadpool who had a WHOLE ENTOURAGE OF FRIENDS like a rag tag bunch of misfits who were a very unconventional FOUND FAMILY. Wade was still a fucking dick, a bastard a lot of times - but his friends saw value in him and stuck around still. Even ones he was recently a demon to, like...man.
And even more so; when Nate pulls the dick move of sacrificing himself, he had that support network of friends there for him to process that, because it hurts no matter how you see their relationship. That was his best friend. It hit hard.
It hits hard especially because Nate and him start out moral enemies. Wade hates him because he's holier than thou, and Nate hates him because he's a nuisance, he's a mercenary - there's a laundry list tbh. Untrustworthy. He's scum! The closer they keep rotating around one another - or into eachother even jfc - they start to tolerate one another, and start to talk more, and Nate starts to really talk about how Wade could do better and be better. Wade starts to see value in himself more, he's still sharp tongued with Nate, but he starts to also be a bit softer with him, joke around and sees value in HIM and what he's trying to accomplish with Providence and stuff. He sees the vision - but he also sees the danger of that vision in regards to Nate's LIFE.... So there's a lot of selfish shit on both sides of the fence that's interesting.
They don't always agree, but Wade starts to come around, and Nate does this thing where people will be like YO DEADPOOL BE CRAZY WHY YOU ROLLIN' WITH HIM? And he is in his corner to be like hey, that's my boy Wade like give him a chance? HE'S DIFFERENT NOW. But yaknow they also emotionally manipulate one another in weird ways. :)) SIGH.
GIVE AND TAKE I GUESS. But it's interesting to see the evolution of trust and openness?? They're best friends, you can't argue that.
AND YAKNOW...we were discussing the response to this actually!! In Loki it was interesting to see Mobius say shit like that to him [how he can BE BETTER, he can be whatever he wants to be!!] and he just kinda.... I don't know, he's a villain by definition and yet he's whipped 'round into this anti-hero kinda position that becomes curious. But he doesn't lash out when he's told this shit, because the fight has mostly left by that point. He doesn't know what to do with those words?? Like yeah, okay.
But, conversely, with Nate and Wade... Nate is very heavy handed with it, and Wade is INSANELY volatile with his emotions because of how his brain is always in flux. And...he gets to a point he starts lashing out about it, about how Nate is trying to change him and he's FINE AS HE IS, AND HE'S TIRED OF HIS SHIT. They lash out a lot, but Nate also is kind of a controlling shit. He wants to play god, where as yaknow... Mobius has ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD FOR THE SHITHEAD TO UNDERSTAND IF HE DIDN'T WANNA LISTEN.
Honestly hilarious, the similarities...
But Jer and I were talking about how it's interesting to us that the show really focused on WHO is Loki without his magic. He's a con-man, he's a fast talker, he's a violent little feral cat. He doesn't know what trust and care is honestly, because even in his own family there were so many lies and hostility. So they pit him with this partner who has seen every trick and BULLSHIT THING he's ever said and done, and is like "Yeah yeah big scary God, wow. ANYWAY-" He is both fascinated, complimentary, and utterly flippant about Loki and that's interesting. We meet someone, a whole organization, that isn't phased by the existence of Gods.
It's interesting to see tunnel vision character exploration - small cast exploration - on characters that are deemed bad, but have a weird thing about them that doesn't necessarily mean they're REDEEMABLE, but that they have something that is inherently BROKEN in their past that can be nursed? Latent potential to be good.
They're not hardwired to be good guys, they can be good people, but it's harder and more exhaustive. But sometimes - it's nice.
But uh yeah - SO ANYWAY, moves down the line some more here -
WEIRD SIMILARITIES. But they're there and maybe that's what I liked about the show. You present me with a character I already don't like, you mock him and kinda kick him when he's down and then have this guy show up who is like... not really a fanboy but - HE KNOWS EVERYTHING. He doesn't appear phased at all the shit he can throw at him, and he plants the seed that he can be better.
And I love that the show is two seasons. It's short, it's sweet, it does a lot of really interesting things I'm obsessed with visually and narratively you can fiddle with. It has a very bittersweet ending, but it's not 100% sad for me. I love that they got this irredeemable broken bastard, and they gave him a win - and yet it's still, in Loki's nature, a loss. But he has all the time in the universe to figure things out. If he can ascend like that in just a few centuries - what's to say he can't free himself from his coffin of his own making.
We're given a consequential win, and I've already see fans making fix-its that are PHENOMENAL. My FAVORITE things to see and read for fanfic topics is people playing with the sandbox. I hate that people ALWAYS assume you know, sexual shit when you say you read fanfic - I am OBSESSED with people playing with the sandbox and fixing issues. Continuing the story. Developing insane head canons, coming up with the most INTERESTING INTRICATE IDEAS and still leaving me on a cliff hanger.
You've taken a bastard, redeemed him, and influenced CREATIVE MINDS to play with it in a positive way. I've seen most people express APPROVAL but sadness with the ending and that's I think the best thing to happen! It's how I still feel about the Mass Effect 3 ending :))
Conversely it all really highlighted my sadness of how with comics, we can so easily run a good idea into the ground, and how ya'know... you can see your character MAKE that 180 or you can see them do like a 320 and come out a little worse....
For Deadpool, C&DP ends on a VERY bitter note of Nate sacrificing himself, he is depressed about it, I think they have a big talk with him about it with the Agent X fam? My timeline is fucky with the 3 'ending' points of C&DP - full transparency lol. But... after this comic comes the numerous team ups - like him trying to find his place in the world, and then in like 2008 [which I'd been working towards, and was excited for because the art was really CRISP...] you hit Daniel Way.
Way's Deadpool introduces the ANNOYING yellow box and white box almost as if he was split personalities, where as it was really just like...thought boxes, just colored uniquely... As far as I've read, this has been retconned in recent comics. But it's the big staple in all things Deadpool - but.... Way's Deadpool is very disjointed, he's trying to date and marry death, he's suicidal because he wants to be with her forever, he is a lot of dick and fart jokes that just don't hit for me - he has funny moments but I can't think of a single serious moment I got emotional over?? You gotta give us reasons to connect with our character, or things that hit us to stick with us? I felt like I was just reading low punches a lot?
But it did this weird thing, that I'm trying to find any of the wikis talk about and coming up blank, but there's this point in the comics where in Way's... he basically gets hunted down by his whole support net? It's like a big thing? Like everyone hates him and shit? But somehow EVERY WRITER AFTER THIS ACTS LIKE THINGS WERE FINE~
Like they hunted this man for SPORT it was WEIRD. It was so.... weird?? Going through my own tag I didn't even blog about it... weird??
But I dunno, it left a bad taste in my mouth to like reduce Wade down to like... what they did. C&DP works really hard to kinda get people to see some value in Wade, and then Way's DP just kinda tears that structure down and all he has is Bob left whom he really is AWFUL AS HELL TO....
It's sad to me. The new comics started, and I left shortly after, in like...what...2012? I was really excited for the team, the writers and artists involved and he looked GNARLY but interesting and I loved the colors and - it was gonna be WEIRD and funny... but they kinda kept leaning into the like...
You know when you don't wanna talk to someone, or be seen by someone and you shield your face and walk the other way? I feel like we were back to that with Deadpool. Like it was EMBARRASSING to be seen with him, even though in the aftermath of C&DP we did all those team-ups and had some great cross overs and EVEN HAD A SPIDERMAN COMIC THAT WE SAW THEY COULD BE CIVIL [we all know I hate how Peter treats Wade and I have bad blood with those shippers still :)) never forgive, never forget! But boy howdy he was an ass to him WHICH IS FAIR BECAUSE MORAL DIFFERENCES...] but like?? We were back to HAHA WOW HE'S CRINGE... which is a bummer.
I dunno.
Jer just kinda really hit a nerve in my brain when he pointed out how the show kinda did a thing we don't see the pay off for as often as we should. Turning over a new leaf, and truly discovering what it means to do a selfless action?
And it just kinda reminded me how I love Wade being a SNARKY piece of shit, and how bad he is at trying to be a good person - he's just a weird little guy, he knows he's not a hero and he doesn't really try to be. He just tries to be real with people? But he IS a good ally, and he HAS the capacity to be loyal, and he -
Man like. ACTUALLY MY FAVORITE ARC? UNCANNY X-FORCE.
FUCKING ANGEL FROM XMEN HAS A SMALL TEAM AND THEY HAVE A JOB TO DO AND THEY HIRE FUCKING WADE TO COME WITH, AND EVERYONE IS ANNOYED BECAUSE HE'S ANNOYING and he's ya'know DEADPOOL.... and when they get to the fucking end of the mission and it's like hey, you gotta kill this kid Apocalypse? Fucking he DRAWS THE LINE. No women, no kids! He makes a STINK about it. Logan and Fantomex are like yo, what the FUCK you're being paid for this you bastard - and it's Angel or Betsy who points out that Wade never cashed any of the checks.
Like Wade half the time would go along on an Xmen mission just for the benefit of being INCLUDED honestly. Some of the writers use to really GET THAT. He use to hold them with a lot of reverence. And I feel like that was a big thing I was sad about with the movies was removing that kinda "WOOOOW IT'S THE GANG" vibes... he's just kinda... jaded? Hm. Huffs. ME TOO THOUGH LMAO.
Uncanny X-Force is so delightful... and even still too a lot of people...really don't paint him in a loyal light or care about his connections to people and it's sad. In the Messiah War arc like Cable specifically calls on Deadpool to have his back and fight with him while he's transporting baby Hope, and he gets so UPSET when he has to leave. It's not good bye~ and Wade is so sad because he thought they were a team again. AND I WANTED IT SO BADLY, I wanted him to have that stability he deserved, a friend. THE GUY WHO SAW WHAT HE WAS CAPABLE OF.
There's random good moments in random comics, and of course they meet again in a Deadpool & Cable comic, which is good and done by some of the older team. Idk. I wish...
I wish I could still read comics in confidence they wouldn't scrub whole segments of a character.
It's like a post Dazz reblogged the other day about how characters have less weight these days because we're scrubbing lime line events from them in desires to make them TIMELESS and it's detrimental because there's no proportional trauma or event to really add that weight now and then, ya'know?
Me talking for too long.
Loki ended in a way I was pleased with, and I was surprised to end up liking that incarnation of him, and being excited if they expand on him ever again - conversely if they don't wow, EMOTIONAL and amazing regardless. But, uh, they really uh... they really kinda coded that ending as eternal pining with those two. I didn't think much about it until a few weeks later someone posted something and it hit me sideways like a brick. How dare?
And I'm still mourning the fact there was a lot of hard work to get people to take Deadpool seriously as a character in universe, and to get him on teams, and they kinda took everything away from him, just to give him weird new things, only to take that away and rebuild him again. But at least he's FRIENDS with Cable I GUESS. But who knows the fuck is going on with him anymore. He's probably DEAD AGAIN... He sure died and came back wrong in my book :)
But I think that's just the thing with Marvel. You gotta pick your battles, and pick your story arcs to commit to. It's like when people are into a specific writer for Batman or something. SHRUGS.
Me casually being mad my friends can call my favorites, and why so easily and proceed to talk to me about it's narrative themes and character arcs so easily... I'm a predictable fucking pile of shit, I swear to god....
Me rereading this post: IS THIS ANYTHING? IT'S NOTHING. IT'S ALL NOTHING.
Hey anon asking about Vanessa, I'll have to wait to reply to that later this week since I gotta get my comics out and refresh myself about her and her shit, which is mega sad mind you. Her actions and death are pretry awful tbh tho. Pain. Suffering. So keep an eye out. It'll be in the Deadpool nonsense tag when I reply!!
That post about the sequel for Deadpool and not wanting a boyfriend at the expense of Vanessa's life... Keeps making me low key sigh loudly because on one hand I get it because expendable girlfriend is a shitty trope in films, but on the other hand whoo boy.. My guy, do I have news for you about Vanessa... do I ever have things to say about her actions and her death. Whoo boy. So I get you, but I also wince every time I see that post. I'm still disappointed though they didn't do the Copycat stuff with her. Because whoo boy. WHOOOOO boy....
Lol oh, I lost a follower for all those posts last night, get out then.
ALSO SO I FOUND THE ONE THING THAT IRKED ME ABOUT THE MOVIE. I was trying to remember what the thing was that made me make a “hmm....” noise last night but I was too happy and am still such.
Deadpool WANTS to be part of the Xmen on and off in the comics as far as I remember, so it was weird to me watching it when Colossus would express that they’ve been TRYING to get him to join them?? Also let me revisit; COLOSSUS LOOKED AMAZING THOUGH? AND RUSSIAN ACCENT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. IS FOX FINALLY LEARNING HOW TO HANDLE XMEN? EVEN JUST A LITTLE...??
Like I think even in V4 they were still alluding to, aside from Way’s way of being all LOL NO ONE LIKES DEADPOOL ALL HIS FRIENDS HATE HIM HE’S AWFUL which earns my foot up Way’s ass so hard he’s spouting Adidas’ ad campaigns for a few years, they still sort of have Wade fanboying over the Xmen a LOT of times. He always likes them to a regarded level even if he thinks the super hero antics and better than thou attitudes are EYE ROLL worthy a lot of times? I mean we really had a nice round off on Wade over some of the comics that period but they lost me in a lot of the newer stuff because he feels so different with this writing team I can’t place what I feel about it so I jsut stopped keeping up tbh.
Taps my chin. So that was really the only thing I saw that made me tilt my head I guess. And that’s even nit picking. I just remembered that it was odd to me last night to hear Colossus being like THINK ABOUT IT, PLEASE JOIN US... because wasn’t Scott and Logan always saying he was too much of a loose canon or something? I know Scott says something in C&DP about it and if I wasn’t a lazy piece I’d go look tbh. I know he gets his moment but it’s literally “You can help” “COOL I GOT A SUIT” but
HM I MIGHT EVEN BE WRONG. I’D HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THAT EXACT ISSUE.... HUH.....
Do you still completely hate the spideypool fandom?
SORRY WORDY REPLY: I’m pretty over the WHOLE Deadpool fandom right now.. the comic tanked my interest somehow, the fandom took a nosedive, the game was kind of the last nail in the coffin of my interest in Deadpool for the moment…? But like all my fandoms, it’ll resurface again but it’s going to be a while. At least another few cycles of comics u__u;; I still will draw him from time to time because WOW I LOVE WADE’S DESIGN AND FACIAL CONSTRUCT AND UGH???? Wade is a cool dude.
I still adore Wade and I love talking about him and his many personality faucets and just wow what good writing here and there but dang… I’m wiped on him because the fandom and media representation of him is just…. gimmicks and I really like when he’s not…. just gimmicks? HE’S A DOOBER BUT DANG GUYS.
The one line in the game that upset me most was him looking in the mirror - first five minutes in the game - and he says “Who wants to see that?” and his immature voice says “I hope this game isn’t going to be one of those tragedies behind the comedy things.” and it kind of made me sad more than mad in retrospect. It’s how the new fans are receiving him. It’s how he’s being presented. He’s being shown with little to no depth - and that’s I think my biggest beef with that ship. It’s THOSE fans making him usually some abusive boyfriend, or some NEEDY CLINGY boyfriend or just… it’s… weird tropes and cliche personalities and it’s weird. It’s uncomfortable as is because I love the brother dynamic of the younger more favorable son getting the glory and the older one being told “WHY CAN’T YOU BE LIKE HIM?” essentially - but when you’re ignoring and WIPING their personality to cookie cutter your shit it… THAT’S the majority of the fanart and fandom??
Also WOW THEY’RE SUCH A DEFENSIVE FANDOM IT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU’RE BEING RUDE TO BE DEFENSIVE?OR BEING RUDE TO ARTISTS OR RPERS WHO WON’T MAKE CONTENT FOR YOU…..?
But yeah man, wow I fucked out of Deadpool initially because the harassment WEEKLY from people mad I wouldn’t draw that ship despite my EXTREMELY valid and POLITELY WORDED reasons why it bothers me? I will never really CARE for that fandom simply because how fucking rude can people be to me? I only met THREE nice people from that fandom who commissioned me and WORKED WITH ME to meet MY comfort zones. LIKE WOW, COMMENDING YOU FOR BEING CIVIL HUMAN BEINGS ABOUT MY FUCKING TALENTS AND COMFORT ZONES??????
That ship squicks me the fuck out, and people just didn’t respect why, and kept HARASSING ME to draw SOMETHING. Sorry guys, I don’t crack under pressure when it comes to art - you make me MORE lethargic and I do artistic dryspells or I get sarcastic and rude. So no, I cannot stand it still, that fandom is why I withheld 30 drawings at LEAST from Tumblr because I refuse to see the tag “spideypool” on my art… I’m that petty I guess..?
It makes me sad because most of them are hilarious because I drew them based on conversations with my friend Pete because late night Skyping is totally Pete and Wade with us and it’s hilarious and a great laugh.
I also hate it because there were SOME people I gave the chance to just talk comics with me and all they wanted to do was discuss ships and I just chin handed and shook my head… I tried but I just… yeah I don’t like the word hate - but I don’t associate with that side of the fandom and I never will…?
