#donnie analysis

[hailstorm57]

rottmnt Aftermath comic Donnie analysis rant

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(random connection) disclaimer included

so as any average person I went to watch the dub of the rottmnt aftermath movie comic and I want to talk about how beautiful written it is.

This post is not as beautiful written and is more rant like so my apologies

The page I'll be referring too <-(please check out the comic it's so good.)

So when I first read this I had no idea why Donnie seized. I thought it was just something that happened. That was till it happened to a buddy of mine.

Note I may be wrong please I'm not a doctor also I'm not completely caught up so I might be wrong but so far my thoughts are this.this is just a rant on the writing and my personal experiences

context of my prior knowledge and experience

So to add some perspective. I broke my hip and I'm nerodivergent. I don't process properly. I went straight to talking the trainer through exactly what I felt and explained exactly what I thought it was wrong and what to do to help and exactly what I needed I went into what will be referred to as fix it mode. I didn't even feel pain at first. I couldn't walk and I knew something was very wrong so I start digging for any medical knowledge I know, my brain not calming not letting me rest until I fix it. Now when I let my adrenaline die, my mind process and leave fix it mode, when I actually allowed my self to RELAX (key word is relax) I finally felt pain and started ugly crying realizing I was no longer able to wrestle. A buddy of mine was in a tournament and they process pain same as I, only their body relaxed more, and they seized where as I did not. Their issue was different than mine they had exhaustion and got half suffocated in their match. Their alright don't worry. They are also nerodivergent same as I.

DISCLAIMER!!!!

This may not be just a nerodivergent thing and there is always different cases, but so far I only know of this shut down pain, to fix issues, before enter shock, happening to nurodivergent people. I'm not a doctor or any kind of medical professional so don't quote me on anything this is just my ideas and how I'm connecting the dots feel free to politely correct me or share your experiences with dealing With pain. Or tell me your ideas about my analysis I'm always happy to hear. Please don't take this seriously I'm not trying to offend anyone or hurt anyone with this it's simply just my thoughts.

the analysis rant :)

To the analysis. Donnie as far as I know I believe has autism or is autism coded. He has a similar reaction as me and my buddy. He in the beginning was calm, collected , ignoring the pain or maybe not even feeling it in the moment. He sure, is in pain but he himself is not his main focus,he's in fix it mode.

He only shows pain when he gets overwhelmed and snaps. He's overstimulated and needs to leave as Leo tells him to care for himself. He pulls himself out of the situation. And when he gets bathed is when he actually focused on himself and his body. He for sure lost his adrenaline and he went into shock as he calmed and everything eased. He might have not even thought about himself but his mind might have just let his body realize it was injured then finally take action since his adrenaline was no longer going to keep his body from taking initiative. He had nothing keeping him on edge and fighting so now everything has time to catch up to him...

(I think. I am not a doctor)

... he then had a seizure after leaving the tub half passed out (sign of adrenaline leaving him and just simply exsaution) his blood no longer pumping his blood pressure lowering, and the blood loss probably taking it's toll. Not to mention he's probably been having adrenaline and high blood pressure the whole time.

He quite literally was performing medical attention on his half dead brother. Just saw Leo get pummeled and thought he died in what can best be described as an almost suicidal attempt to save his family. Whether Leo's attempt was not purposely suicidal or not. Donnie just saw his brother give his life to save him.

His blood pressure had to be undoubtedly high during all this stress. And now he's calm and it's finally going down and probably dropped so fast and tremendously lower than it was for the past hour. That may be a leading reason for the seizure in the comic.

(I think... still not a doc and not well educated in the medical field my mom and grandma do nursing though so I know my fair share I guess)

... and he was bleeding out so it's a big possibility and his blood pressure could have dropped. In this situation there can be a number of reasons.

reasons for current issues and things that can cause him more issues: adrenaline died out, calming, dehydration or low blood sugar, stress finally caught up with him, body shutting down to process, shock, bleeding out, pain, there is a number of things or something simpler such as exhaustion could be an underlying issue as well. Now these are possible not all true or right but it's just me thinking out loud

Also we dunno when he last ate and drank. Using all the mystic powers must take a huge toll on his body and controlling the krang ship with his body can't be good for him either. It's safe to assume he was physically exhausted and finally let his fix it mode mind set cease to exist in the moment and his body finally shut down. Everything coming at him and he seized.

He is clearly not as ok as he seemed in the beginning pages and the second question is how he could hold himself together and to that I say fix it mode ....oh and a shit ton of adrenaline. He can't rest till he fixes the issue. And I'm positive this guy's was still processing everything to the point he has yet to process his own body.

Now I don't know if the author knew this while writing but I like to believe they did and if so that is damn good writing and beautiful attention to detail.

I didn't really understand or connect with the reaction till I got injured and later I saw it happen to a buddy. Experiences change your perspectives it's bonkers.

Please let me know your thoughts I'll restate it again !!!IM NO DOCTOR!!! so don't quote me or take this as medicine knowledge. Do your research first if your interested in learning about said topics don't go off it by some random Tumblr post. But please feel free to correct me in the comments or list some facts or even your own experiences and ideas on your own. Def should check out the comic I absolutely love how it's written.

[turtleboyz]

The dream beavers and what each dreams mean:

Leo dreamt that his leg was healed, not feeling pain, and that he could fly

Donnie dreamt that he was being chase, hiding, and someone wanted to eat him, salt.

Mikey dreamt of candy and cute stuff while having someone to play with

Raph dreamt of blue fire, rock music, and white snakes.

The symbolism:

Depending on the dream, white snakes actually can mean a lot of difference things! From wealth and prosperity, to growth, or making the wrong decisions. Here in Raph’s dream he was wrap up by the snakes while the biggest snake ate his brothers.

Dreaming of a big snake means that you are afraid of someone, or that you might have depression. Dreaming of being wrapped up by a snake means that you want freedom. Dreaming of (almost in this case) being bite means that something new will happen, a surprise.

Now snakes symbolize different things; in some cultures they represent fertility. It also respersents the Rod/Staff of Asclepius. It’s base off the God Asclepius who was the god of healing and medicine. Snakes also symbolize different religions. In Japan snakes represent a god, a messenger of god. White snake moults mean rebirth.

Blue fire in dreams can mean dangerous person, encountering challenges, honest or healing. Spiritual blue flames can mean passion, a desire to transform, or a desire to heal. blue flame is also associated with anger

Dreaming of rock music means that their a lot of energy inside you. But don’t have the right direction. It represents that you are a person, who wants to achieve everything within a short span of time. But do remember, everything in life needs persistence and hard work.

DREAM of being chased and hiding. It’s cause by stress and anxiety. Dreaming about running and hiding may reflect your desire to re-evaluate your life. Maybe things are changing too fast in your life. When you try to hide from danger, this dream is a sign of depression. Bad experiences make you too careful, and you don’t trust others. You might also experience a great misfortune and grief, due to losing someone dear. This dream can also indicate getting involved in an accident in the near future.

I find it really interesting that the dream beaver keep calling Donnie salty. I know it’s because the beaver want to eat Donnie and scare him. But salt in dreams actually have different meanings! If you dream about salt in your mouth it can mean emotional outbursts. Salty oceans can mean heartache, smelling salt and not like it means loss and destruction. While the opposite means wealth. Salt symbolize purity, taste, fidelity/faithfulness, bad thoughts, death.

As for breaking about being eaten, it mean lake of self-confidence, Dreaming about a hungry monster trying to eat you it means that something is consuming you, like an addiction or a bad habit. It also means you dislike something about yourself.

DREAM of candy means good luck, joy, and positive. It’s can also mean your pleasures that could end up harming your health, perhaps some kind of a toxic relationship that will drain positivity from your life after a certain period of time. dreaming of candy represents your wish to be rewarded for your efforts.

As for dreaming about playing games with someone signifies your attitude and confidence. You are ready to move on from the past. You have a positive outlook in life and are not limited by anything. The dream represents self-exploration and your connection with a higher power. Grace, agility, regeneration and growth.

DREAM about flying. It’s can mean freedoms, the desire to escape. The spiritual meaning of flying in a dream is that you are rising above your challenges. Whatever they may be. It shows you are in control of your destiny and can overcome great challenges in order to succeed. Dreaming about flying without wings can also mean a spiritual awakening or a different perspective.

[turtleboyz]

Character Analysis: Rise Season 1: Donnie

It’s this punk’s time to shine!

Donnie is an interesting guy!

Donnie isn’t the leader here but the “tech guy”. Now, most smart guy tropes can range; from being a nerdy introvert, to smart and cool, to being misogynistic. Rise Donnie is a mix of tech savvy and mad scientist. But he has layers!

Donnie thinks of himself as a “emotional bad boy” but really the kids just silly. He’s smart, can make literary anything, can code, architect, and play guitar. But he’s also bad a tell jokes, takes things seriously, and has problems with emotions. Since Donnie is canonical autistic, some people worry that Donnie falls into the “emotionaless misogynistic who’s super smart” you know that gross stereotypes?

While Donnie does have some similarities to said stereotype (cocky, crazy smart, and a bit violent) he’s never that bad. For 1, he’s a kid, and 2 he knows when he makes a mistake.

In both episodes 2 and 15, Donnie try’s to change his brothers. In ep2 it’s with gifts, in eps15 is physically changing their brains. But the difference is, in ep2 Donnie doesn’t realize his gifts are hurting his brothers. And in ep15, Donnie noticed his mistakes by himself and goes and fixed it.

Another thing about Donnie is that he really wants a “parent age approval”. I’ll talk about this later, but it make you think. Is the reason why Donnie is so cocky is to hide the fact he’s insecure? Like Donnie literally build a robot to praise him…But his family and friends all love and care about him. Sure they tease and sometimes are mean to him (how many time do they joke about kicking Donnie off the team?) but they love him. Just like Leo, both of them seem insecure and both hid it with confidence.

Season 1 Donnie is smart, funny, love to sing and is nerdy. I hope in season 2 he’ll get better at his emotions.

[turtleboyz]

Character Analysis: 2012 Season 5: Donnie

Going to be honest, I don’t like this version of Donnie. Don’t get me wrong, I love that’s he’s the tech guys. But that’s his ONLY personality here. No, seriously, besides stalking/being creepy toward Apirl and being his tech/chemist/metallurgy. What exactly IS Donnie’s personality? What does he do? He didn’t actually have any solo episodes that don’t revolve around April or his attempted murdering for the Italian mafia guy.

Donnie is shoved into the background and is basically forgotten unless it revolves the “live triangle” or is plot related. What are his hobbies? Does he like to read, can he play a instrument? What are his interests? I know he like to watch tv with his brothers, like to play DnD, and he and Casey work on making a car together….But that’s it.

Personality wise, Donnie is very smart, a genius actually. He can build thing from scrap or stole materials, he can build cars, do chemist, and have a vast knowledge of different technology and science stuff. But because of his smarts, he forced to help the team with his knowledge. More than once he and Leo fight over using technology vs tradition training. And like with Raph and Mikey, Leo puts his stress and emotions onto Donnie. Personally to me, I think it’s because Donnie is the second oldest and the second in command so Leo look at Donnie for help/inform. A couple times in the series it’s shown that Donnie is insecure, he feels he’s not smart enough compared to Fugitoid, he feel stress out from working a chemical to help Karai and Kirby. Hell, a part of Donnie infatuation with Apirl is bass of him wanting to be normal and is afraid of losing his first human friend, seen in episode 10 season 2.

I wish we actually the serie took the time and wrote more ablit Donnie’s insecurities. How did Donnie get this way? How does Donnie get the tools for his tech? His chemicals? How did he get into chemistry or technology in the first place?

Donnie, in this series, falls into the arch of Forgotten Child. Both by the characters and by the writers. Donnie is in the backyard, by himself. He doesn’t interact with many people. The “lost child” is the family member who retreats from family dysfunction due to feeling overwhelmed. They can spend a lot of time alone, pursue singular interests, and/or struggle to establish or maintain relationships with others.

I actually believe that Donnie has some emotional detachment issues. Emotional detachment describes when you or others disengage or disconnect from other people’s emotions. It may stem from an unwillingness or an inability to connect with others.

Symptoms are;

difficulty creating or maintaining personal relationships

a lack of attention, or appearing preoccupied when around others

difficulty being loving or affectionate with a family member

avoiding people, activities, or places because they’re associated with past trauma

reduced ability to express emotion

difficulty empathizing with another person’s feelings

not easily sharing emotions or feelings

difficulty committing to another person or a relationship

People who have emotional detachment also have signs of

inability to feel emotions or feeling empty

losing interest in enjoyable activities

becoming less involved in relationships

showing little or no empathy toward others

being harsh or unkind to others

While Donnie doesn’t have all these sign or symptoms (he’s does get very angry and does show empathy or guilt when others are hurt, those bing april, Kirby and Timothy). I do believe he does have a form of emotional detachment. I think he becomes like this because of Splinter.

With Splinter, the only time the two seem to interact was when Splinter try to teach Donnie not to keep going after Apirl in season 2, when she stated she wanted to be left alone. And in season 1 when splinter try to teach Donnie not to relay so much on his teach and to have better intuition. As for his brothers? He and Leo are fighting one another or just getting into disagreements. With Mikey, while Donnie gets annoyed and even yelling or verbally abusive to him, he does seem to interact with Mikey and the two even seem to bounce ideas off one another. With Raph? I don’t think these two even interact that much. But they both have a dry sarcasm.

Mentally and physically? Donnie was murder by April (even if she was possessed). While Donnie doesn’t have any hallucinations like his brothers, he does have implied anxiety and angry issues and will as implied OCD (According to J.R. Ventimilia, executive producer)

As for the “love triangle”? I 100% belive that Donnie was in the wrong. Form the beginning of season 1, Donnie had a crush on April that developed into a obsession. He makes charts to see how to interact with her, has a photo of her as his screensaver, followed her and knows her home address. Called her nicknames and use “my” and “his” terms. Yes I know he’s a teenager that doesn’t have any human connection or social awareness, be it’s creepy. Personally I’ve believe that the reason April didn’t call out Donnie sooner/only showed uncomfortableness around the nickname was because she was kind of afraid to. If you meet a mutant turtle that was a trained assassin that was calling you creepy names, you would probably be at least a bit scared of what would happen if you said no. Remember this was happening before April found out about her powers and that before she was training to be a ninja.

But after season 3, the love triangle seem to fizz out and die. While Donnie and Casey did keep fighting in the later season, there wasn’t anymore attempts on being with April. Donnie even calls her nicknames less and less. I think it’s because the love triangle side plot wasn’t going anywhere and the writers wanted to focus on action. That still doesn’t make up the fact April murder Donnie. I really with the story would add a scene or two of the aftermath of that. It seem like the group became afraid of April, and Donnie seems more tired, more, less intact with Apirl, hell in season 5 he try to murder someone. Who the fact he was murder and came back to life, it may have some negative effects on him.

Do I like this version of donnie? No. Sorry. I don’t hate him or anything he’s just not my favorite turtle. He’s creepy, and he doesn’t have any character arch or moments to make him a full character. If the writers have him more moments, had him apologize and stop being obsessed with April, he could have been so cool!

[turtleboyz]

Character analysis: Rise Season 2: Donnie

On the opposite spectrum, I think Donnie had the least characterization out of the turtles this season. While the episode 8, Donnie vs The Witch Town gave insight to his character. And how he feels about magic, (that if magic can do everything science can do, why should April his brothers need him around.) I think this is the only episode that gives him any characterization, outside of the 4 part final. (In the 4 part final. Donnie learns to unlock his Ninpo. He also learns how to trust Raph.)

Donnie is arrogant, violent, dramatic and emotional. I hoped that in season 2 he’s get better at his emotions, and he has! While it takes him a bit; he eventually confess his feelings to april about magic. And in episode 4, breaking purple, he learns how to express his emotions in a healthy way.

While Donnie finds his brothers annoying and is rude to them, he’s also cynical and when he makes a mistake he either blames it on someone else, or panics think that he did something wrong. Donnie’s character arch is him learned how to dealt with his emotions and how to not let things bother him, or try to forcibly change people.

[turtleboyz]

Character Analysis; 2012 Season 4; Donnie

Oh my god this kid.

Twice now! 2 times have one of the turtles died! First Leo, now Donnie.

This season is a rough one for Donnie. First he eels useless and not smart enough to be Fugitoid’s assistant or as smart as him. Then he dies!

While Donnie doesn’t have hallucinations like his brothers, he does have issues. He seems more tired and sad. As for him being killed, I feel like that episode should’ve gone a different way. Donnie try to talk April down, it could have work and April could have relished how she care for Donnie as a friend.

Or when he died, the turtles should have shown more grief. The only one that seem super effects by it was Casey and Raph. Casey didn’t believe what was happening and was in shock, while raph was angry. When Donnie came back alive, they could have shown how Donnie lost trust and maybe even fear to April. It just felt like a really good concept with a good characterization but wasn’t executed right.

[turtleboyz]

Character Analysis: 2012 Season 3; Donnie

While Raph’s character feels like a character growth, Donnie’s character feels like character assassination.

The first half of the season was ok, minus episode 2. In that episode Donnie realized that his actions toward Apirl are creepy and inappropriate, so he feels april that he won’t bother her anymore. Only to have April kiss him. But besides that moment, it really seems like the April x Donnie ship is actually over. There no moments were Donnie is overprotective of april or madly blushing.

In the Vison quest, Donnie is told that he uses his mind too much and not relies on his body. In the spirit plane he fights tigerclaw and defeat him after standing his ground and physically pushing tigerclaw off the mountain.

But after that episode? His character is reduced back to his smarts. He has to find a cure for the brain worm. Or find about the effects. Throughout the later season he is stress and is visible frustration and he lashes out in anger. His is annoyed at Mikey, banging his fight and yelling at him. He and Leo get into a fight when Leo ask him to work harder. Telling Leo that he’s tired of find solutions. While this moment is a wonder way to make his character grown, it was handled poorly. The half of the season he was so frustrated that he blows up. After this episode isn’t never talk about how stress Donnie is, or the fact he’s constantly is look at for answers or has to make new invention.

[turtleboyz]

Character Analysis: 2012 Season 1: Donnie

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I’m actually surprised how much I like this version of Donnie! He’s sassy and get angry like his Rise counterpart, but on a lesser scale. This version of Donnie is also a tech guys, can build, do chemicals and build cars. While it’s basic Donnie stuff it’s still interesting to see! I think this version of Donnie is interesting because he acts like the second leader.

In episode 13 it was Donnie who temporarily stop the bad guy when Raph was paralyzed. And in the last 2 episode, he and Leo were some-what communication and making plans during the battles. He also made those cool gadgets! But I think he’s the second in command because in episode 11, when he and Mikey were on their own, Donnie keep overthinking and was indecisive. Also his and Mikey dynamics is really nice (even though he’s the second person to be mean to Mikey).

One major think I don’t like about this Donnie is his “crush” on April. He keeps calling her things like “princess” and using “my” for her. There not even dating and he already has a chart in how to interact with her! That’s creepy as heck. And April knows that he like her, but she never tells him to stop.

I hope in season 2 and the later ones he stops being weird around April.