#drituation

[thenaiads]

The most Logical and Neutral answer Someone who is not a Dream fan and still sees Tommy's bullshit and awful behavior.

Go watch this guy 👍👍👍👍

[mleemwyvern]

ok so ive been following the dream situation and trying to give the green man the benefit of the doubt but now im snapping and posting about it. every single thing i see makes him look worse. i came in here with very little context, watched his entire 3 hour response stream while keeping my biases in mind, and i came out disgusted by his actions. i truly do believe dream is an awful human being, and although tommy and tubbo aren't perfect either, they are SIGNIFICANTLY more in the right than dream. many of the arguments from both him and his fans feel manipulative. there seems to be some conspiracy theory about tommy being a master manipulator who's leading a smear campaign to make everyone hate dream. i dont think its that deep. i think people dislike dream because he acts like an asshole.

ive seen dream fans claiming tommy is being abusive by shit talking dream in his videos and by denying him contact. this is my absolute least favourite argument so far. i don't think any of that is abuse. tommy has not been seeking out dream to harass him. and refusing to talk to someone is NOT ABUSE, and it is NOT MANIPULATION. going no contact is a perfectly valid response when someone upsets you so much that you don't want to talk to them. blocking people is NORMAL AND GOOD. whatever else may be happening, it is clear that dream and tommy do not get along, and so tommy is perfectly within his rights to block him. communication is, in fact, a privilege. insisting that you are owed communication with someone you hurt is a manipulation tactic.

i don't like when people demonize either side in this. tommy and tubbo are people. dream is a shitty person, but he is still a person. nobody should be harassing them or sending hate to fans or doxxing.

i dont hold any hate towards those who believe dream. just concern. i feel that many of them are in an echo chamber, and falling for the DARVO manipulation tactic he uses. if any of you are reading this, and change your minds on him, ill be here to support you. you're not a bad person for liking someone who turns out to be an asshole. as a hermitcraft fan, ive been through something similar with iskall.

this drama is a trainwreck that i cannot stop watching. can we finally stop the party

[dtupdates-archive]

♡—DREAM posted a priv Tweet.

[just-a-busy-bee]

what im getting from all this is that jack manifold was secretly in love with georgenotfound the entire time and got pissy when dream made that "i made his [George] career" joke back when jm first joined the dsmp... the resentment bubbled over when gnf went home to florida to be with his not-boyfriend and best friend and daughter (patches) and jm just... lost it

[the-final-sif]

Putting everything else aside for a moment and the fact this is most likely fake it; is buck fucking wild to see twitter losing it and declaring that a 19/20 year old and a 16/17 year old sexting consensually back in 2019 is """pedophila""" and """grooming""" like. Listen. My friends in high school were fucking at that age and the only one who ended up traumatized by it was me because I got abandoned to do the groupwork by myself. I also had to handle at least one of their breakups which was awkward as hell.

In college I had to listen to the 17 year old in the dorm next to mine get her back blown out every goddamn week because she was horny as hell and hadn't been able to get laid before college. I know at least one of the guys she brought around was like 23. Most were around 20 because the 18 year olds were apparently all still fuckboys. She was nice and again, I was the only one traumatized by thin dorm walls while she had several excellent evenings.

Turns out people in the real world fuck and they don't always care about what age the government has decided you should be allowed to fuck at. Teenagers are dumb and horny and sext each other even when it's illegal or a bad idea. In other news, water is wet and it gets cold during winter.

If you're gonna make up fake shit, goddamn, at least make it something I should actually care about. Because while I do think it's fake, I also don't give a shit about what some horny teenagers were doing 4 years ago.

[boomboompowpow]

yeah talking to and hanging out with underage kids for hours is kinda weird. I can’t believe he is hardly questioned about this :\

I’m talking about philza

[moonfox-mumbles]

can this guy shut the fuck up already

[carpedzem]

its really interesting to me that we now have not one but TWO separate situation of ccs talking to dream and changing their opinion about what is going on. of course we can assume that munchy crew and in the past tommy, tubbo and quackity (bc dont let anyone tell you that whoever drops dream recently do it bc of october, be serious) also believed dream but you know they are close, it always hits differently, sometimes friends stay even if someone is in the wrong. but. nate talked with dream months after that, looks like it was willingly. and he said that he doesn't want to go into details, but the general feeling was very dream positive. he even defended his stance when people on twt got pissed. but i think connor case is way more interesting. long story short for who doesnt remember, after a photo of them hanging around together (since you know they do know each other but are NOT that close), connors fans get really upset over it and he basically told them to fuck off. later, when people were pushy, he started defending himself on stream. but the next day? he came back to the topic and said that he himself contacted dream. and dream answered all his questions. and hes not going to talk about it any more. he said its dreams story to tell. you would not say something like that about the person you believe is a criminal. connor had nothing to gain from it, he could probably gain more hating on dream. but he didnt. and i didnt really think about it too much then but now, when we are in the very similar situation i just wonder. if theres a pattern. if all ccs have to do is to ask (why its easier not to)