#dsmp fandom negative

[no-gangles-just-titch]

"How is running a prison bad for his mental health, I hate c!Sam apologists so much"

[cregla]

Oh yes another thing I forgot to mention in my "prediction" post about Tommy's big stream:

How many people will demonize Tommy for every single thing he does, says, or whatever happens to him, going full victim blaming or completely misuranderstanding both his characterization and his actions?

How many people will give Tommy 100% the fault of a possible Dream's escape, no matter what will happen and who will actually be responsible?

Let's place our bet!

[theartofslime]

Cos like, the understanding that c!Ranboo is kinda a little shit pretty much flies in the face of what people like to believe his philosophy is and why I can't take y'all seriously when you make fun of "people not sides"... and also because you're usually not even good at it which just makes it worse

c!Ranboo's kinda a shit person, and the thing is being "kinda a shit person" in a way that's contrary to the people with political power gets people agreeing that an anvil should be dropped on your head in their world. Him saying "people not sides" is him saying that it shouldn't be like that and the sides in question shouldn't have that kind of power over people... y'know because he's a fucking anarchist. Ranboo's "kinda a shit person" but he can't afford for people to know that and that's the whole problem

But no you hear someone not wanting to pick sides and your reaction is to go compare them to ranboo and say "someone else said that before and he's dead now" as if he didn't literally die because Sam saw ranboo's connection to certain people as something he was not only allowed to but in the right to use his social power to exploit because keeping dream in a display case and keeping his "I am the law" image was more important to him than some dude from the arctic's actual literal life.

Which Y'know... was literally ranboo's actual point when he was yelling about what happens when people start picking sides over people...

[mine-curse]

Idk i think c!philza is compleatly right...

c!tommy/fandom neg, im serious, i tried hard to word things nicely but this might come off as kinda insensitive. If you like. Relate really really hard to c!tommy maybe seriously dont read it? Or at least like.. try to read it charitably?

All characters, all rp, not discussing the ccs at all here.

It seems like a lot of people have very visceral reactions to tommy trauma because they relate to him, well i relate a lot to phil as hes been presented so far, so....

Things are not more important than people, they just arent. Symbols are not more important than the thing they are supposed to be symbolizing. I feel like this is such an obvious truth that I was extreamly confused as to why so many people were saying phil's advice was bad.

I understand that the Rapple burning reminded people a lot of Dream's treatment of Tommy during exile, and i think thats where a lot of the "this was bad advice" is coming from. I mean. The timing wasnt great. Doesnt really mean its not good advice. Its also like... the kind of advice you would expect phil to give tommy when you consider what phil has observed of tommy and where his problems seem to come from. Something i think he's expressed multiple times. And it wasnt like phil was trying to intentionally trigger tommy or somthing. I actually think tommy had an unexpectedly underwhelmed reaction given the circumstances. One that highlights the differences of these situations. Dream was doing what he did to keep tommy under his control. To try to remove any sense of power he had by undermining things that he had worked for. To show that it was all pointless to try to make him feel powerless. It was the intent behind the actions that was turbo fucked up. Phil was/is trying to show tommy that he has his own power. That he has the strength to rely on himself. That he doesnt need symbols. That his reliance on them, while understandable, it holding him back and plays a part in making his life worse. That without these symbols the things that made them important will exist. Unless they dont. And that the pain of loosing a thing cannot compair to the pain of loosing a person and how the pain or frustration of loosing a thing will disapate. Something that someone like the immortal "ive watched kingdoms crumble and lost countless friends and also my son" Philza would probably understand.

Also yes burning the rapple was painful on a meta level. I was there for a lot of the Rapple journeys. But it made it a stronger beat in the story to actually destroy something of practical and sentimental value.

I just dont think the take away, regardless of trauma, should be: hold onto things that make you feel (emphasis on feel) safe at the expense of things that can actually improve your situation, ie bonds with people, your own strength. I understand that can be a very hard thing to hear. Trust me i really really do. And Phil's timing might not have been the best but Tommy tends to go in circles, so its somewhat clear, to me at least, that he needs some kind of change.

I guess i just... over the years I think ive thought a lot about posession and ownership and the value people place on external systems. and if there is value or practicality inherent to those ideas. And i think in very very many cases there isnt, or there doesnt need to be, and that they've ended up being a self-perpetuating machine that keeps people thinking they need them. But i understand the emotional implulse to hold on. Because.. our things give us something we can control, something physical thats proof of something. But... none of that is inherently true of objects or external systems, its symbolisim that we assign to them as a way to cope with various things. Cope with traumas that are often caused by those objects and systems !!! And coping is important! I personally am in posession of lots and lots of cope!!! But you've gotta know when you're letting the cope take presedence over things that are truly irreplaceable.

Im gonna be honest, the fact the tommy did hesitate on saving tubbo's life for the disks made him a wildly unlikable dude to me. I get that its out of some kind of trauma, but the other characters are all traumatized, even if its not as apparent as it is in tommy's case. I dunno, i guess it's just a visceral reaction I have to seeing someone consider trading the life of their best friend away for a symbolic object wow 🤪🤪🤪

(I do think Tommy is an interesting character still, i kinda just resent the fandom treatment of him, and of other characters on his behalf without like... thinking about stuff...)

If you all read that here's my interpretation(s) of the furnace thing, as a.. treat..?

I think Phil was trying to give an example of like... shit happens, life moves on, we all keep persisting, its like the circle of life maannn, the cycle of stone break, cobble furnace, stone place, stone break again. Life's a cycle of ups and downs. Which is the kind of thing thats like... true, but hard to say in a way that actually registers because its often repeated. And its hard to see the truth of that when you're in the thick of a trauma response or a bad situation. So trying to give a very physical representation of that kinda makes sense.

For me its also like. Man. Giving advice is hard. You might horribly fuck up and say the wrong thing, not even because thats what you mean but just that your words come out wrong. And its a horrible feeling to let down someone that relies on you. And it can be hard to tell people things in a way they'll understand. Sometimes being a little obtuse feels like the only thing you can really do. Especially if youve already tried the direct approch.

I dunno, thats at least how i see it. I think theres lots of room for other interpretations and like, maybe we'll get some more clarification.

[bookfandomtalk]

I will never not find this funny.

Tubbo and Phil: We're canonicizing that Phil found Tubbo in a box as a kid and then raised him for at least a little while, resulting in c!Tubbo considering Phil to be his only father figure and c!Phil not minding Tubbo calling him dad.

Wilbur: My character Phil's literal son and he's never met Tubbo in his life before he joined the SMP, I only knew Tubbo as Tommy's friend, and Tommy is my brother. So is Techno.

Philza: I have one biological son, Techno is my best friend, I found Tubbo in a box, and I never met Tommy in my life before the SMP and I barely knew him after I arrived as he got exiled like... immediately.

Tommy: Wilbur and Techno are like brothers to me. Tubbo is my best friend, but he's not family. I consider Philza to be a father figure.

Techno: Who is Tubbo? He's that dictator, right? I care about Ranboo, Niki, Tommy, and Philza, and them only.

Fundy: But you're all ignoring me, where do I fit in?

Wilbur: You're my son... I suppose...

Philza: But you're not related to me. I refuse it. You're not.

There is no consistency in the family dynamics when it comes to SBI and co.

[temshop]

if i see one more post about Phil's framed flower being symbolic for Wilbur and Tommy i will commit crimes

[welcomebacktohoimicraf]

why the fuck did someone reblog a dreamsmp hate post onto my dash. I thought the whole point of us moving to tumblr is that we mind our business and DONT engage with drama to make ourselves look like fools.

The snarky reblog tags just makes it worse. If you don't like what other people say about the things you like then just blockkk themmm!! Guys please

[the-room-43]

I saw people blaming Quackity for the lack of lore recently, saying "he set the bar too high and because of this nobody wants to do lore anymore".

And honestly if you think that fuck you!! Really?! Q works so hard on his lore and he LOVES doing it! Don't come blaming him for having fun and being creative! Literally almost nobody took his character seriously before he started doing his lore streams and now people started saying shit like this?! Fuck you! If you don't like the lore that's fine but call his hard work thrash and blame him for something that it isn't his fault Is so fuck up! Also very weird that nobody got angry at Karl who was the first person to do this type of lore but everyone went after Q instead, weird isn't?