hahah hey Marty xD I already left it since the SEr's were without arguments against me lmao I was in a chat of portuguese people talking about tvd, and I asked if they shipped delena or stelena. One said delena and other said stelena. And I was like urgh I hate stefan. The SEr after that said that she hated damon. And I asked why. She said that she didn't like him because he wasn't the good brother, and he killled people and because he was selfish. And I was like, how can you dislike Damon because of that and love Stefan. Stefan killed way more people than Damon when he was all ripper mode, and he is also selfish btw and he isn't the good brother either, he just thinks that he is. And the conversation went on and on lmao xD She said that Damon hurt Elena more than Stefan. And I asked when. And she gave the example of season 2 episode 20 when Damon force his blood on Elena. And I said that Damon did that because he didn't want Elena to die while Stefan just stand there and shrugged his shoulders saying that it was her choice. Maybe it was wrong of him but at least he apolagized to Elena while Stefan never does. Stefan is always hurting Elena but he never apolagizes. And the conversation went on and on we also talked about how Stefan let Elena drown in the wickery bridge and saved Matt and they said that he was only doing that because he asked her to. And I said that if Elena didn't have vampire blood on her she would die and Stefan didn't even make sure she had vampire blood on her, he just left her to die. They also said that the sire bond was the only thing that made Elena fall out of love with Stefan and fall in love with Damon and I said that Elena felt in love with Damon before the sire bond and that Damon didn't ask Elena to break up with Stefan so the sire bond had nothing to do with it moreover Stefan was the one that broke up with Elena when he realized that she had feelings for Damon. They also said that Damon used Elena with the sire bond and I asked when. Since they didn't know when they asked me a question and didn't answer mine and they asked me when Elena fell in love with Damon. I said that Elena first hated Damon, then she began to understand him and she started to trust him, she became his friend and soon her best friend, when Damon was dying in episode 2x22 she realized that she loved them. For me that was when Elena started to fall in love with Damon. And then I told them to answer my question and they started to ramble lmao they ran out of arguments against delena and Damon so the conversation ended there. We did talk about more things but this reply is really big already lmao xD