I hope you don't mind me asking but if Caranthir is constantly saying these horrible things to Oropher why doesn't he leave? :(
I don’t mind. And before I go on, I’d like to say that while I ship this, it’s not because I’m under any illusions of it being a perfect, wonderful, idealistic relationship. I am aware of the negatives. It’s dysfunctional and messy, with anger on both sides. But while the things I reblog may make Oropher look like a defenceless, downtrodden victim in this, he isn’t a victim. And never has been.
Half the time, he doesn’t even listen to Caranthir. Half the time, he will laugh at him. He is a strong person. I know that he seems all fluffy and sweet - but he has a backbone and a will of steel. He’s fucking stubborn as hell. He will give as good as he gets and honestly, 99% of the time the snarking from both sides is meant with no malicious intent. Obviously, this doesn’t really apply to the start of their relationship - because they were angry back then, there were serious hurdles to overcome - but both of them are to blame for the arguments and the words spoken then. Oropher certainly is not the innocent party (though I would argue that his anger and subsequent guilt for feeling affection toward Caranthir was justified).
The fact is: they’re not particularly compatible. There’s no getting around that. Neither of them are actually particularly easy people to live with, for different reasons. They’re going to argue. Just like my parents, they bicker all the time. They’re literally an old married couple. But now that they’ve reached a point of being comfortable with each other, they understand that beneath the bickering, the two different points of view - there is love there. And what’s maybe not a good thing, is that they’re both so stubborn, that they’re both unwilling to give up on it - even when it does hurt, even when Oropher does get upset (Caranthir gets upset too. Not just Oropher. He just hides it easier and punches walls when no one is looking). They’ve struggled to get to where they are (which is a place of love and caring, even if it may not seem that way) and they’re going to continue to fight for it.
I think what’s important in understanding this dynamic is understanding the complexities of Caranthir’s character. While Caranthir has done some horrible things, while he is angry and pretty cynical and negative - he’s not needlessly cruel and malicious. He doesn’t actually want to hurt Oropher. Whilst Oropher will quite freely and quite passionately express his love and his feelings, Caranthir is not that person in the slightest.
He loves Oropher. Even though his words may seem harsh, he loves him and all the stupid things that he does. But for him, to feel love (for anyone other than, you know, family - but even them sometimes!) is vulnerability, is weakness, is dangerous, is fucking scary. And being scared makes Caranthir angry. It makes him defensive. He has this huge barrier up - because while he loves Oropher, he doesn’t want to give him a chance to hurt him (especially because he feels that he doesn’t actually deserve Oropher and is waiting for him to turn around and realise that - tho yeah being a dick to him isn’t going to help). Most of the time, the snark and bitching is a defence mechanism, rather than Caranthir actively trying to be cruel or hurtful. It allows the barrier to stay up, it pushes Oropher away, it keeps his emotions hidden and protects him from having to say things like ‘I love you’ or ‘you look beautiful’ - because really, he just doesn’t know how. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m not saying it’s healthy - but that is who he is and the reasons behind it.
Does Caranthir sometimes hurt Oropher’s feelings? Yes. Does he feel genuinely repentant and guilty and want to punch himself in the face for making his little fluff cloud cry? Yes. Does he wish that he could be more like Oropher and actually let himself open up and drop the barrier? Yes. Will it happen? Probably not for quite a long time. But he’s getting there. Slowly.
And on the subject of why Oropher doesn’t leave (even though sometimes he wants to) - when Oropher loves someone, it’s an all consuming thing. He can’t just let it go. Sometimes he wonders what it would be like if he’d never met him, but honestly, he can’t imagine life without his kinslayer, even with all the fights and the tears.
You see, while he doesn’t listen to the snarking, Oropher notices the little things. He sees Caranthir looking at him when he thinks Oropher doesn’t notice, the little tender touches, the way he sighs when Oropher sits on his lap but wraps his arms around him anyway, the way he holds him at night. Actions speak louder than words and Oropher is very good at reading people. He knows Caranthir loves him, would protect him without question, would literally leap into a volcano if it meant Oropher would be safe.
It’s complicated - and as I said, I’m not promoting it as a healthy relationship - but please know that Oropher isn’t a victim here and that Caranthir does love him deeply.
(Also a lot of the stuff I reblog saying ‘oh caranthir would say this’ is meant in a kinda cracky context. A lot of the things he ‘says’ are so completely ridiculous that it’s meant to highlight how dumb he is more than anything else. Like he’s literally such a drama queen, no wonder Oropher laughs at him.)