#fundy analysis

[autistic-karljacobs]

We often talk about how Tommy and Tubbo are children of war, and they are. They canonically only know it. But I feel like someone who also is a child of war and we don’t really acknowledge it is Fundy. Fundy was literally raised by wilbur, and thus has been exposed to his rhetoric of the false ideals he claimed when he in reality wanted to start a drug empire and claimed it was for “independence” and “revolution”. Fundy quite literally never has known different. I think fundys lore now will demonstrate how that fact has affected him, seeing how nightmares will be a common theme. Fundy’s lore will not only explore other characters, but the one most important to Fundy. Himself.

[astroninaaa]

Can you explain your point about Fundy and Ranboo? :0

I CAN I CAN I CAN. SO.

/rp /dsmp

i've made a post before on why i think c!ranboo's "choose people not sides" philosophy falls flat, mainly because he's a bit of a hypocrite /neu. i think this explanation by @thesmpisonfire is a very good one as well, so i'm including it here for more info!!!

now, onto my point about fundy and ranboo. as i said, i think their fight after doomsday is a very good example on why ranboo's "choose people not sides" concept doesn't work and isn't actually about choosing people. the conversation i was referencing is this one right here.

that's a 9 minute clip and i won't make you watch all of it, so a brief recollection: after doomsday, fundy tells ranboo he was right from the start about the not choosing sides thing, because c!fundy chose sides and ideals his entire life, and all the good and bad things he has ever done for those sides never mattered because in the end everyone left him and all his decisions led to nothing, to no overcome, because in the end l'manburg was destroyed and nothing mattered. he sabotaged l'manburg's supplies and let techno, dream, and philza destroy everything, because they were destroying "the last side" and nothing matters, and maybe this would make people finally realize it. he says ranboo was right all along: sides don't matter, people do, and he says they should stick together as they are the main people who are aware of that.

from that you can already tell fundy has a skewed viewpoint of both the concept and just everything happening around him, which i don't really blame him for. fundy was right when he said people left him again and again, and his feeling of emptiness and non-importance is justified in this situation. personally i think the way he interprets it all is a bit extreme and just not that reasonable, but i get where he's coming from. in a way his understanding of the concept reflects c!ranboo's understanding of it as well, which we can recognize through the fact ranboo's reaction to doomsday wasn't that far off from fundy's - his nonchalant response when techno asks him how he's feeling during doomsday and all his feelings regarding l'manburg afterwards (thinking it was a bad place blah blah blah) show that well.

what i think is the biggest exposure of why ranboo's "choose people not sides" concept fails is how he reacts to fundy's point, tho. here is a direct transcription from their fight:

fundy: [he was talking about how letting doomsday happen was a good thing] to make them realize that, even without l'manburg, even without a last chosen side, it's for the better. and now, if you and i were right, they might learn.

ranboo: so... what you're saying is that... we should team up?

fundy: that is exactly what i'm saying.

ranboo: that is exactly what you weren't supposed to say. coward. don't you see what you just did? you just tried to create another side.

fundy: i tried to team up to prevent other sides from starting in the first place, ranboo! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO TAUGHT ME THIS, RANBOO!

ranboo: [overlapping] teams are sides!

but that... goes against ranboo's whole point. if teams are sides- if two people supporting each other in any way is a side- how are you supposed to choose people? fundy said they should choose each other, AS PEOPLE, and together try to make other people understand that everyone should stop creating "sides" and choose each other. and ranboo IS right - that IS a side, according to his concept. however, if that is a side according to his concept, his entire philosophy falls flat.

because how are you supposed to choose people in the first place if people are sides? if he recognizes sides are people and sides can be a single person and sides can be just two people working together for a thing they both believe in, how is he supposed to only choose people? how would that even work? how is he supposed to choose people if choosing people is what creates sides?

the ideal is faulty. in the end, it leads to nothing. because how can you choose people and steer clear from sides while also believing that teaming up with a single person and choosing each other and your shared beliefs already categorizes as a side? it falls flat. it doesn't work. it has no real meaning, and isn't actually choosing people at all.

because, as ranboo recognizes himself, people are sides. sides are made up of people. l'manburg wasn't simply a government or a side to choose, it was its people. the people who chose l'manburg weren't choosing a piece of land, they were choosing each other and the legacy that was born and cultivated in that piece of land.

it was never about sides, but about people, and ranboo fails to see that, which is why his philosophy fails, as well.

[lilyminer]

I don’t know if your okay with this kind of stuff but how do you feel about c!Fundy? I don’t see nearly any analysis on him :(

I don’t mind at all but I’m not necessarily the analysis type tho. Still I love c!Fundy a lot so I’ll give you something.

So with Fundy his character seems to fall back on his nostalgia from the past for his moral decisions at every turn. You can tell he is still decently attached to l’manburg as an idea, but less of what it was in practice. There’s also something to be said about him being, canonically pretty close to a child solider so that attachment to the cause that ultimately kept him safe (even though it put him in danger in the first place) is reasonable.

But more then his desire to get l’manburg back is his obsession with finding some sort of protective or fatherly figure to belong beside again. Especially once Wilbur was gone he tried Ghostbur, Eret, Phil, ig you could even argue Schlatt and now Quackity, he never really gets what he really wants though. He just seems like the kind of character who desperately wants stability but that drive doesn’t ever amount to anything much.

[michibikionmain]

Fundy’s Character Morality

I think it’s very interesting and telling that Wilbur classified Fundy’s character as True Neutral, but thinking back on it I really think that’s the best possible categorization for his character’s belief system, since his motivation isn’t moral/rightness based, but driven more by his personal needs with a consideration for morality on how far to take that drive.

Fundy's whole character motivation is that he wants someone, ANYONE, to love and be proud of him, specifically those in authority. He is very subservient to those in power thinking that if he obeys they will love him and give him the recognition he desperately wants. He is very truly neutral in the story, he does whatever he thinks is best to get what he wants, with some concern for morals but not having them be a complete stopping point. The reason he's trying to unite everyone together now is thinking that if he explains himself after they've all banded together, they'll understand and love him and be proud of him bringing everyone together again.

He idolizes those in power at first because he thinks they will make him happy, but he realizes over time that they're not. they're only ever hurt him and made everyone else hate him too, and since he's past the Point Of No Return in his eyes, he's going to make sure that can't happen to anyone ever again

He doesn’t seem to care about what the rest of the server thinks about people when it comes to his opinion of them. He still cares about Schlatt after his death, even if he recognizes that he had been doing the wrong thing as president because Fundy believed in his vision. He didn’t forgive Will after his death just because Ghostbur forgot all of the bad things Wilbur did, because it’s the fact that he forgot and pushed Fundy aside that upset him in the first place.