iheartgyu: Why did Yuzuru get both -4 goe and one point deduction? Are both the penalty for "invalid element" and could not be omitted or is the -1 the penalty for some particular move during the combo? Is it the same situation as always getting both negative goe and one point deduction for the fall after landing? (I hope my question is clear enough)
@huhwhereshouyou Hello!! So, I just have a quick question about Yuzu's 2017 World's SP score, if you have the time to answer! I was looking at the score sheet, and he got a -4 GOE for the 4S+2T? Which I don't get? I thought the automatic GOE you get for a combo with an invalid jump was -3 GOE, not -4. And it couldn't have been the judged average GOE, because that came to -2.9! Did they change it to -4 instead of -3? Thanks for running the blog!
I'm confused about how scoring works and looking at it Yuzu's sp score doesn't make much sense? Can you kinda walk me through his specific scoring (I know you have a page about scores but) or at least give me a brief summary as so why the jumps were both deducted and that weird "started too late" thing? Thanks a bunch!
Well, this is certainly a hot topic today. Here are the protocols for reference. The 1-point deduction is because Yuzuru got into his starting position too late; skaters have 30 seconds after their name is announced to get into position, and he took slightly too long. He did not get a deduction for the 4S; it was not counted as a fall.
The -4.00 GOE on the 4S is because it didn’t count as a combination, hence the 4S+COMBO+2T* in the protocol. He transferred his weight off his landing foot when he nearly knelt down after the 4S, so the 2T that he tacked on afterwards didn’t receive any points. (Another scenario is if a skater two-foots their landing on the first jump of a combo and tries to tack on another jump after it; the second jump also wouldn’t count in this case.) One of the non-axel jumps in the short program must be a combination, and if there is no combination, a jump is marked with +COMBO and should automatically receive -3 GOE from the judges. (Judge 1 actually only gave his 4S a -2 GOE, which is technically legal but...okay, Judge 1.)
This next point is very important and is covered in our intro to scoring guide, but lots of new skating fans don’t realize this: The 1s, 2s, and 3s given by judges ARE NOT DIRECTLY ADDED OR SUBTRACTED FROM THE BASE VALUE. (I cannot repeat this enough, it is such a common misconception.) They must be translated into a value first using the ISU’s Scale of Values, and then that value is added or subtracted from the base value. The translated value varies by element. -3 GOE on a quad translates to 4.00 points actually subtracted from the base value. So if a skater falls on a quad, or misses a combo on a quad, 4 points are subtracted from the quad’s BV. If a skater gets -3 GOE on a 3A, that translates to 3.00 points subtracted from the BV. If they get -3 GOE on a 3T, 2.10 points are subtracted from the BV. And so on - all these values are in the ISU’s Scale of Values.
Also, not every judge’s GOE score is used to calculate the final GOE; the highest and lowest scores are thrown out and the remaining scores are averaged. I highly recommend you read the intro to scoring guide because it has example protocols showing you exactly how GOE is calculated.
