‘If we had no egoism, then we should be like Angels, who are not capable of transformation. They can't be transformed because there is no denying principle. It is the same way with suffering. Without suffering there is no possibility of transformation. But the way in which suffering serves us is not just by giving us something to overcome, to be patient with, to be good about. The real thing about suffering is that it enables an action to proceed in the depths in us, it enables us to get below the surface, to get below even the ordinary depths, to find the place where there is no suffering. In everyone there is the place that is free from suffering. This place we have to find.
The way to it is through learning how to suffer and accept the action of suffering in ourselves; accepting it to the point where it is complete when the breakthrough comes, and we arrive at that place in us which is free. So it says 'If you knew how to suffer, then you would know how not to suffer'. Not-suffering does not mean being without any enemies or harmful actions. Not-suffering means to have entered into a particular place which is the sacred place inside us where there is no suffering, because it is a place of God. To find a way to that place is one of the great things. It is there that we come to the threshold of unity. So that saying is a good saying.’