A Vminer here. I just wanted to say for the longest I thought Vmin could've been the realistic ship in BTS. From the way JM and Tae acted around each other to the closeness they have.. its adorable. But now looking at it that was never the case... (my little Vmin was broken for awhile).😭😂 But I can honestly say MY EYES ARE NOW FULLY OPEN.. Jikook are definitely more intense then Vmin would ever be. It's the looks the feeling like your intruding on a private moment. I guess you can say I never WANTED to pay attention to JM and JK because I was so hooked on Vmin.. but so many times Tae has spilled the tea on them.. thats when I knew, "yea something is going on between them"😂😂 sorry for my little rant.. I just wanted to come here and say it's definitely alot of ppl like me that were very close minded to Jikook because it was always in our faces.. some won't admit.. but I definitely will own up to my blindness.. Jikook are definitely the real deal.
OH a VMiner that is nice! It's a big change let me tell you nice Vminer. Thanks for sharing your opinion, one thing you said is true, jikook is always in our faces, maybe for many they are so close they can't see it. Maybe that's the problem 🤔🤔
Hey there, I know it's been a while since that topic came up. But I want to add a thing to the "who of the members is closest to who" debate and why it legitimately might have bugged some Vminies.
For me personally it strikes that irritating nerve of people around you constantly going on and on about how romantic relationships are the most important connection you will ever form in life blabla and friendships are somehow lesser and fleeting.
(Any fellow aces around who feel my suffering, lol?)
Just think about it: why are terms like "Are you just friends or are you something more?" even a thing?? Why are friendships seen as lesser? Why are romantic feelings or sexual attraction automatically assumed to elevate the relationship into something "more" ?
For most people at least one or two friends will stick with you and go through all kinds of shit with you for the biggest part of your life as opposed to romantic connections that often come and go (until you supposedly find "the one") and we usually start making later in life. Yet somehow there is this idea that romantic relationships are inherently more fullfilling and valuable, that is perpetuated everywhere.
So I think there is a valid reasons why if somebody says Vmin - who have literally refered to each other as the ultimate soulmates, have been through thick and thin and really worked hard to communicate better with each other and work through their issues - aren't as close, while believing that Jikook are closest to each other while or maybe even because they are a couple might hit a nerve with some people. Because it goes back to this idea of romantic 'relationships are inherently closer than platonic relationships'.
Also the reasoning of "they don't spend much time out of work with each other so that must mean they are not as close as Jikook who do" doesn't really hold much water for me, because that resonates with the close friendships I have. Even before 2020 hit us (lol), me and my friends would barely have time to see each other in person for 1-2 times per year after we graduated from high school and all got into different universities; even our text messages take course over the span of months sometimes until we find the time to respond. But they are to this day still the people I hold dearest to my heart and have the most tender and honest conversations with.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: There is nothing really wrong with speculating about the nature of the member's relationships with each other; it's only human to be curious about interpersonal relationships and as public figures they do kind of open themselves up to that kind of scrutiny.
But I have to say that just for me personally the particular "who is closest to who" debate kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, no matter how I spin it, because 'closeness' is so hard to quantify. Sure we can observe their on-camera interactions and maybe what little we find out about what they're up to in their free time and extrapolate from there, but in the end we have to remember that, despite all that they share with us, we don't know everything.
I don't know about that lunch Yoongi might have invited JK to because he needed a pick-me-up for a day, I don't know about that 3 am conversation Jimin might have had with Jin and Yoongi one night and I don't know about that thing Tae might have bought because it reminded him of Namjoon.
I do believe that Jikook are a couple, I absolutely believe they are close, but that doesn't necessarily mean their relationships to the other members are less so. It's just a different kind of closeness. Maybe it differs in the way they express their affection to each other or maybe in the amount of time they are content spending with each other.
To quote a very wise young man called Jeon Jeongguk: "There are many different types of Love." 🥰
And I hope more people would try to see and understand that instead of pitting one unique relationship against another, no matter if romantic or platonic.
I'm sorry this turned out all rambly and I don't really know if I got my point across😅. This was also really not meant to be a personal attack on you, so I hope it doesn't come off that way😳. I think there is absolutely nothing wrong about how you handled the situation back then, I just guess it got me thinking about this.
I will just end this here with my favourite quote about friendship:
"Good friends are like stars you don't always see them but you know they are always there."
Hi anon, how are you? I remember closing this topic on my blog but your post is interesting and I'd like to say a few things about it if you don't mind.
I want to start by saying that this is my opinion, based on what I believe, how I see things, my experiences etc., complete subjectivity. As I did in my answer to the original question that I imagine inspired this ask. In that ask, anon asked who I thought were the members that Jimin was closest to, anon didn't ask who was the closest member to Jimin, and I didn't give them an absolute and objective answer, anon asked my opinion and I gave it to them. And my answer is just as valid as yours and angry vminner's, even though in the end they ended up insulting me and JiKook.
I don't think a friendship is more or less important than a romantic relationship, they are just different relationships. They fulfil you in different ways, they have different roles in your life. And they mean different things to you.
One thing they do have in common is that they are both unpredictable. A friendship can last a lifetime or it can end after you leave school, the same can happen with a romantic relationship. And this is because both relationships are made up of human beings and we are the most complex, complicated and unpredictable beings in the world.
The weight or importance that interpersonal relationships have in your life will depend on many factors, mainly on who you are, what your experiences are, your values, your beliefs, your expectations and needs, as well as those of the people with whom you form a bond, regardless of the type of relationship.
I think that if you give the question "Are you just friends or are you something more?" a negative connotation, it will sound bad or offensive, like an insult to a friendship, or maybe the use of the word "more" is wrong, maybe we should change it to the word "different".
A romantic relationship would mean different because it would imply a different affective connection, a different physical and intimate connection etc. Maybe. What you have with your best friend you may not have with your romantic partner, but what you have with your romantic partner you will not have with your friend. It's not that your friendship is less, it's that your romantic relationship is different. Maybe the problem is that we see both relationships in the same category when they are not, they shouldn't be.
Now, maybe it doesn't happen in all cases. Maybe your friend knows you better than your partner, or you appreciate and value your friend more, I don't know, it's a totally subjective and special issue. Every relationship is different. Every head is a different world.
I also take into account that aces exist, and in those cases things are also different. I think this confirms what I just said, each relationship is different and unique.
The explanations I gave for why I think Jimin is closer to the members I chose are based on what I have seen, what I believe, what I feel and I don't think that's wrong. If you don't think the same as me, fine! But I don't think my opinion is invalid either.
You brought up the "they don't seem to spend much of their free time together" argument and I remember saying that I think Jimin is closer to Jungkook not just for that reason. Furthermore, I don't recall mentioning that I think Jimin is closer to Jungkook because of the possible romantic relationship I think exists between the two. Because Jimin and Jungkook are also friends.
And no, there is nothing wrong with speculating the nature of the members' relationship with each other, the problem that formed as a result of my response is that it was not to the liking of several people who think differently than me, which is totally acceptable but who were unable to accept my response.
If we stop putting romantic and friendship relationships in the same category, it would be a lot easier. Your partner can be the closest person to you for different reasons and your best friend can be a very close person to you for totally different reasons. I don't think they are mutually exclusive.
To conclude, i think I should clarify once again that I never invalidate anyone who thinks that Jimin is closer to Tae, I never dismissed the special relationship that Jimin and Tae have, I have celebrated that relationship here, I have said more than once how much I love Vmin. I have even said that I hope one day I will have a relationship similar to theirs.
I will never invalidate those who think that Jimin is closer to Tae, I will always respect their opinions but I don't think it's too much to ask that those people have the same courtesy towards me, and respect mine.
I didn’t start this blog to impose my opinion, I don't expect anyone to take what I say as the absolute and objective truth about whatever it is we are talking about. I have always been clear that everything I say is my opinion, it is subjective and I can very easily be wrong.
Almost always when talking about personal relationships, whether yours or someone else's, there will be room for different interpretations, different points of view. This is due to a number of reasons. Your opinion is not more or less than mine, it is simply YOUR opinion. There will be cases where your opinion will be invalid, mine too, because they simply are. An example of this was an anon I once received who said that Jimin and Jungkook couldn't be a couple because Jimin wants to have children and if he is in a LGBT+ relationship he couldn't have them. That "opinion" is invalid. It is wrong. It is offensive. But if for you Tae is the closest member to Jimin, it's acceptable, it's respectable. It's your opinion which I'm sure is based on a lot of things too. Just like mine is.
So I have a question. V/min shippers are saying the whole "I'm hyung's copycat" is more brothery than romantic. I've never seen it as romantic but thought it was pretty cute since jikook mention it a lot but, are other jikookers saying it's romantic cuz I've never seen anyone see it like that besides saying how cute it was.
V/min shippers on here are really pushing the brothers thing I've noticed
Anon I hope you don't mind me using your ask to rant a bit.
I was confused before why Vminners seemed to hate Jikook, I mean Vmin and Jikook are not mutually exclusive, they are totally different relationships, or so I thought when I thought they were clear that Vmin was a ship of two best friends, soul mates and that's it, but thanks to angry vminner I found out that they ship them romantically too. I innocently thought that was the ship that didn't have any kind of confusion because Jimin and Tae labeled their relationship early on and even made a song about it: Friends. But I was wrong.
So leaving aside the fact that they are completely ignoring what their favorites have said many times (god I just realized they are like tkkrs. yikes) they do know that those arguments of: Jikook can't be real because Jimin and Jungkook are like brothers, Jimin is Jungkook's hyung also applies to Vmin, right? In fact, it applies to all ships within BTS (edit: In this part I made a mistake, hyung's argument can not be used with vmin) it applies to other ships tho. So following that stupid logic, no ship is real because they are all brothers!
Which means tkkrs, you guys fantasize about an incestuous relationship, and I say you guys because you think of your ship in a rather sexual way. Seek professional help please.
If they use the argument that Jimin and Jungkook grew up together, which is not true because several of them were already adults, it also applies to the other ships.
All the arguments they use to discredit or "prove" that Jikook is not real, apply to their ships as well, I hope they are clear about that.
But no, the only ship that is not real or cannot be real is jikook. Their shippers are the delusional, the delulu of fandom, no matter that jikookers are the ones who have the most facts to support their ship, they don't always have to resort to theories, analysis, assumptions, to believe that maybe something was one way or another. They know for a fact that Jimin and Jungkook spent at least two birthdays together, they know for a fact that Jungkook planned and paid for a trip to tokyo as a gift for Jimin, they know for a fact that jikook went shopping in paris, they know for a fact that they along with jimin's friends spent a day together in London, jikookers know for a fact that Jimin and Jungkook have been together on their days off. Jikookers know for a fact that they spent chuseok together. Jikookers know for a fact many things, some time ago I made a small list of some things that Jimin and Jungkook have done together in their free time, can shippers from other ships say the same?
At the end of the day nobody can confirm 100% that the ship they support is real, but at least jikookers back up the support they have for their ship with multiple facts. Things that did happen and that they have proof of.
Finally anon, that phrase or "accusation" Jimin has been saying for several years now, sometimes in a flirtatious way and sometimes accompanied by the question: Do you like me that much? I don't know about you but, it doesn't sound like a bros thing to me.
We've been getting so much vmin content. I'm sure its not indicative of anything but I would love to see a vmin subunit (I obviously wish it was gonna be a jikook subunit but hey, I'm so good with the content we've been getting❤). I'm just so in love with their friendship its not even funny. The cutest, funniest, flirtiest, most caring and protective soul mates ever🥺
Subunit as in a song together? I really don't think so because they did a song together on MOS7, so I would imagine if on the next album they do subunits these would be made up of different members who maybe haven't done one together. Although I don't think anyone would be upset if there is another VMin song on the next album.
You don’t have to publish this if you don’t want this on your blog (I mean you don’t have to publish anything but you get what I mean) but tbh the vibe I get from vmin a lot in recent time is that Jimin is indulging Tae. Not in a bad way necessarily but we’ve seen it several times now where Tae is pretty over the top and Jimin is responsive but not exactly at the same level.
“I like you the most.” “Thank you. I like you a lot too.” The 2021 Season Greetings where Tae goes on about how much he likes Jimin and Jimin’s like okay, I like you to, let’s move on. It’s the same kind of fond indulgence Jikook sometimes show towards Tae, like he’s their baby, and it makes for a slightly weird vibe.
In general with vmin I’ve always had the feeling that they tell me about their friendship rather than showing me. I’ve heard about how they’re soulmates a hundred times since I got into fandom but they’ve not really showed me a lot of that in recent years. They tend to go all out for stuff like letter writing or if they have to address each other in different situations but they’re so rarely the ones caught hanging out in the background when someone else is on camera, you know. 🤷♀️
(I’m not saying this as any kind of slight against Jimin btw. We know he’s 100% there for Tae when Tae needs him as we’ve seen over several seasons of Bon Voyage.)
The show blurred Tae's message simply because they wanted to get viewers excited. There wasn't any hidden message. V-miners are saying Tae wrote smth romantic and that's why it's blurred. And now tae-kookers are saying it says JK???
Why people lack common sense and their judgment are so poor/clouded? Because they are too obsessed with their ship i guess.. sigh... Cant believe some blurred paper could be theorized this much.
What bothers me is that in their absurd theories they end up disrespecting the person they claim to admire..
And then they have the nerve to call jikookers delusional.
I want to talk about something i don't understand is still hapenning...
A reason i can believe that tk can be real is because he LOVES jimin and he has said so himself (ex. let's bts). i dont think he would feel like that if he had a romantic relationship with jk.
Also, i think tkers are forgetting that th is the only member who has spoken against shipping on weverse and more specifically TK, and he doesnt look like a person who messes around with this kind of thing. (otherwise he wouldnt say anything and ignore the comment)
Lastly, tkers forget that the youtuer tk_lives has admitted that she has been making all these theories and they are lies and they still use them. She even made fun of people who belived them.
I hope you are doing well and feeling better!
Hi anon! Well the fact that Tae loves Jimin doesn't mean that he couldn't have a romantic relationship with Jungkook, they are not mutually exclusive (I'm not saying that he does, just that it wouldn't be an impediment). You can love several people, the difference is the kind of love you feel for them. In the scenario you put, Tae would love Jimin as his friend and Jungkook as his romantic partner, both are love but not the same kind of love. For all that I don't think the fact that Tae loves Jimin is an indication that taekook is not or real. Taekook is not real in a romantic scenario for multiple reasons, whether or not Tae loves Jimin is not one of them, in my opinion.
Yes, Tae once addressed a post about taekook and said something direct against it in my opinion but like many things, tkkrs ignored it, i mean, they believe the conversation between Jungkook and Tae in ITS was fake or something BH forced them to do. So you can't expect much from many shippers of that ship.
And yet, many still watch their videos and beg them to come up with new theories when they are "losing".
I like everyone's thoughts but I don't get why Vmin's friendship is being dissected so much right now. They are close friends since childhood almost and they still work together. They are the same age which makes them equals in Korea and thats a big part of it too. They see each other all the time and their goals are shared as members of BTS. I am a Jikooker and to me Jikook's relationship just seems close in a different way. Vmin's closeness shouldn't make anyone feel insecure.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND EITHER! And I think I'm officially ending this topic on my blog.
