Arthur's Morality, A Rant
So, @ajokeformur-ray mentioned me in an ask she got regarding our opinion on Arthur's morality. I just wanna expand on mine a little, since I haven't yelled about Sad Clown Man in a while.
I believe that the final scene of the movie in Arkham is the only time we see Arthur how he truly is. Cold, calculating, manipulative, condescending... But fuck that guy. I don't like him, so I'm not gonna talk about him.
Now, the persona that Arthur is telling this therapist about, the one we spend two hours following and getting to know, I do like that guy. That's why I choose to write about him, and that's who I'm going to be referring to when I make the points I'm about to make.
Do I believe Arthur Fleck is a good person? Hell no, and if I knew him in real life, I would run for the hills. Do I believe that, as he is presented for most of the movie, he is a cold-blooded, psychopathic killer? No, and let me explain.
Arthur has either eight or nine onscreen victims, depending on how you look at it: the three men on the subway, Penny, Randall, Murray Franklin, and the therapist (if you believe he killed her, I can't decide if I think the blood on his feet in the final sequence is merely symbolic or not) are all directly murdered by him. Which leaves two more victims unaccounted for - Thomas and Martha Wayne, killed indirectly. Arthur didn't personally pull the trigger on them, no, but they were killed by one of his admirers, no doubt because Arthur had just finished trashing Thomas' name on live TV.
What do all of these people (aside from the therapist) have in common? They are all people who have personally wronged Arthur in some way. Now, this is nothing groundbreaking, Chuckletown has already figured this much out. I merely want to use this info as backing for my own opinions.
Arthur says himself, "I don't believe in anything." That automatically rules out any motives similar to HL's Joker, who is driven by his own nihilistic worldview. He also says "You think men like Thomas Wayne ever think what it's like...to be anybody but themselves? They don't. They think we'll just sit there and take it like good little boys, that we won't werewolf and go wild!" I think these are the two most telling lines.
Arthur doesn't care about spreading chaos. He doesn't care about breaking societal structures. He doesn't care about anything, not on a grand scale at least. All he cares about is people who are "awful" getting their comeuppance.
It's been a while since my conversation with Erika about it, and my opinion has evolved since then. I don't know that I'd use the word "vigilante" anymore, as that implies a sense of moral responsibility. But I still wouldn't necessarily use the word "villain" either. It all boils down to Arthur's personal ideology, why he is doing what he's doing. And he's doing it because he wants people to stop treating him like shit.
Tl;dr Arthur is ridiculously hard to pin down because he'll say shit like "I don't believe in anything" and then immediately launch into a heated rant about people he thinks are bad