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[apocalypse-married]

Before i heard about last nights ugly abraham quote, i was honestly beginning to see sashbraham as a potential ship. But after that, all chance of that is butchered. Sasha deserves better. Rosita DEFINITELY deserves better. Abe deserves to get bit.

It’s not like they couldn’t do it well, it’s more just that they won’t.

They could’ve had Rosita and Abe drift apart and decide to just be friends before Abe makes any kind of a move on Sasha.

They could do a polyamorous relationship, I guess. I actually wouldn’t totally hate that. Especially if they developed Sasha and Rosita’s feelings for each other sufficiently.

But just making Sasha a Holly stand-in, does her a disservice, imo. And I agree, they deserve better. Abe is being a dickface.

[apocalypse-married]

Carol x Morgan

NOTP || Just no || Meh || Neutral || Good Potential || Ship it || OTP || JUST FUCK ALREADY

Send me a ship!  (x)

[bethgreeneresource]

I just wanted to say that id love to take some beth/bethyl/twd related art prompts from anyone following this blog.

Im getting some new art supplies this week and need some ideas to test them out with.

Ill be getting some graphite pencils and watercolour paints, so those are the materials i will use for the requests.

You can send requests to my main blog ( @kgbm ) or to my art blog ( kgbm-art ) but they will be posted to my art blog mostly, and i might reblog them to my main. Also let me know if you want to be tagged in the post of the artwork!

~ Kerys (aka kgbm)

[apocalypse-married]

(1/?) Personally i think its been about two/two and a half years since the farm, and we know beth was 17 during the first half of the prison arc where carol tells axel. I think she was either 17 or almost 17 on the farm, so beth would definitely be

(2/?) At least 18, going on 19, but we dont know for sure because of the ambiguous time between the first and second halves of the prison arc. Id say judiths age lines up with that, and shes between one and a half and two years old,

(3/?) But she isnt walking yet because she hasnt had the chance to try until Alexandria, since she's been carried in a backpack all the way from the prison.

^

Also totally valid! And a typical example of the opinion of a Bethyler on Beth’s age. Thanks, doll!

I think it got my back up because it was just incorrect, ‘many’ bethylers don’t believe she’s 19-20 and tie this to the idea of a 2-3 year old Judith. I have seen a few people very tentatively suggest that the creators might have retconned their story a little, to make Beth older, which I think should be fine. Especially since it seems like they definitely did that for Carl.

I DON’T think that theory deserves the kind of vitriol it gets. I don’t necessarily buy into it, but it’s a rational idea! A very real possibility.

As far as Judith being as old as 2… It’s been a long time since I had the opportunity to spend a lot of time around really young toddlers and babies, but from what I remember about their development, I’d say a year and a half old for Judith is as comfortable as I’m personally willing to go. Much older and I start to sense retconning, but, like with Carl, and potentially Beth, I would accept retconning on a practical level. 

I avoid retconning in my own writing, but I get that sometimes you’re forced to do it, or sometimes it can just look like a really attractive option. 

…Like because your actor ages too noticeably, too fast, or you decide you want to explore a possible romantic sub-plot with an older character and you’re well aware that some of your audience might immediately go out looking for a new pair of pearls to clutch.

[ebbilin]

I love your Kagura drawing!! :D

Wow! Thank you very much! :D (She’s the best)

[apocalypse-married]

Honestly, i think the graves would be morgans wife and son. I think he wouldnt have burnt them like he did to walkers, given the theme of "bury the ones we love, burn the rest" and we see him saying goodbye before leaving to find rick (1/2)

(2/2) also he doesnt know anyone from TF who died between clear and season 6. The only thing that might draw him to a set of graves is a torn up grave next to an untouched one (dawn), like someone (beth) had dug themselves out

Oh man, I was so prepared to NOT see Beth or anything heavily Beth-related in this episode, but you’re making me flashback to one of my earlier cherished TD theories.

Beth is a Christ figure. When his followers returned to his tomb, they found it empty.

An empty grave/tomb/car trunk, I would be so there for that tbh.

...but probably not. I think you could be right. Especially since the Morgan flashbackasode will probably mainly be about his time with his cheesemaker kung fu master friend, and so will likely take place before S5 mostly. I’m guessing. This is without reading any of the spoilers, keep in mind.

Although, I fail to see what would be surprising about seeing his wife and son’s grave... idk. We’ll see. Maybe there’s something surprising about how it’s presented? 

[apocalypse-married]

Honestly I'm not too bothered if beth doesnt come back - yeah it would be a really bad writing decision after all this set up for it and i do want her back, but more than that I want to know what happened, with no ambiguity about it

I’ve gotten to the point where I wouldn’t have to mourn her all over again, if that makes sense. 

I’d be disappointed. 

Her survival is the best story they could tell about her.

That forced ending was pretty much the worst thing they could’ve done. 

I’m sorry, I know that some people have managed to find something vaguely meaningful in her death, but I don’t see it, and every time I listen to someone explain it, or read them try to explain it, I get to the end, take a deep breath and all I can think is “I can’t tell if you’re lying to me or to yourself...”

She’s either alive.

Or it was just really, really bad. Terrible writing. Just pitifully, laughably confusing and forced. Works on no level as a death scene. None.

As it stands, her story isn’t even a proper tragedy. They could’ve written a proper tragedy with some of this framework, but they would’ve had to change a few things around and they would’ve had to overhaul the ending to make it work. It’s ineffective writing at it’s worst.

But––honestly, too much time has passed. I’m ‘over it’ as much as I ever will be. I still think she’s alive, but if I’m wrong, I’m only going to be shaking my head at bad writing, not crying in grief, if that makes any sense.

And it’s that ambiguity you mentioned that really gets to me. THAT’S what I can’t abide. I remember an interview with SWC where she said something like ‘when they kill you on this show, they really kill you,’ meaning TWD isn’t about ambiguity. They are about gore and finality with death.

If they would reveal that she survived that headshot, then it would work backwards to help legitimize a lot of dropped threads and hanging foreshadowing. It would vindicate the confusing creative choices surrounding her.

If they never answer that ambiguity, then their narrative failed to tell the story they wanted it to, but there’s nothing I can do about that.

Well, that’s not true. I can learn from it, as a writer, and avoid making the same stupid-ass mistake in my own work.

[colorsofsocialjustice]

Hi five Emerald! I have a mansion on denial isle for both glenn and beth - their "deaths" make no logical sense in their execution and relevance to the plot. I am a bit mad about some glenn fans attacking TD in the TD tag though (1/2)

(2/2) the tags suggested for glenn metas and theories is team skeptical, whilst the team delusional tag is mostly for beth metas and theories.”

There are a couple of theories that Glenn might be, in fact, alive. Nicolas landed on top of him, so maybe he wasn’t devoured like it was implied in the show. His only way of survival is to hide under this rubbish dump before the walkers start munching on him too. But you know, it might be wishful thinking.

I’m kinda ready for Glenn’s death in this season, mostly because of his fate in the comics. Sure, the show is much different from them, but still, the threat is there. But I’d love to see him alive and well. Just like the rest of my precious babies from Rick’s group ;_; (except Morgan. Fuck this guy).

As for Beth, her death was pointless and the writers straight up fucked up with this one. Her character was fantastic! Great development from a scared girl who wanted to die, to a strong, yet still kind and compassionate woman. This whole stabbing with scissors was so not like her. She’s way to intelligent to do this sort of stupid shit. She was the only character in this show that had hope and was not damaged by the surrounding world. Bring Beth back, damnit!

- Emerald (who is going to run around town as Daryl this Saturday, weee!)

PS. Oh yeah, this bitch Gabriel. Fuck him too.