This write-up wasn't from Mod P, it's from Mod L. Don't harass or whatever.
We had a draft sitting around for lizardgod, but we didn't find a lot of evidence and Mod P usually does the write-ups, so it's a case of whenever they think it's worth posting most of the time. I just never went back to their account to see if there was any more evidence.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm posting this now because lizardgod thought it'd be fun to call me an ableist for saying I wouldn't be surprised if notorious scammer, racist, and compulsive liar otter was using DID (which she calls MPD) as an excuse. Not because DID isn't serious, because it is, but because unfortunately people do sometimes lie about it, and that in turn makes life harder for people who actually have it. This was in response to people discussing it on the salt blog.
I don't care if people disagree with me, that's fair, but if you're gonna be petty, I'll be petty back. It's been a lot of fun watching you pretend to be all moral recently lizardgod, but we both know at best you're a cheater and at worst you're a scammer, so.
lizardgod came to our attention because they posted in a suggestion thread asking for tighter rules on scamming with "no support", so I checked them out.
We found this pet which was a 2024 rerelease:
The user they got it from joined November 2024, so brand new. They're relatively inactive, but this is the only pet we found from lizardgod. If they do have anything else, it certainly isn't rare+.
We also found this pet:
The victim was from 2025. Again, a new user. We only found this as payment alongside a recent common:
Since lizardgod pissed me off, I asked them if they were gonna give back the stolen blue betta, or if it was from an alt and they were just cheating. Personally, I find their responses pretty telling.
I dunno. Maybe they can explain it. Little weird they refused to do so when I asked though, right?
Well, they did ask for it...
And just in case there was any confusion regarding the usernames:
It is the same person.
And here's proof we had their info in the drafts for a little while:
Not saying it's the crime of the century or anything, but y'know. Glass houses.
Edit: lol
"Uhh it was before rarities. I mean, the people who joined the site a month ago thought it was fair. I mean I also do offsite trades. Uhhhhh I mean they sent it to me I just accepted it! No of course I won't show you the trade links I umm don't wanna waste my time on you GOODNIGHT!"
wait I just saw the UMAs from calaco and you all are complaining about it...? They are literally offering a custom adopt for free that has line edits, coloring, technique, and uniqueness and you are upset because they have a beginner's artstyle? The same website users that gobble up Nick pets and price them higher..? I'm off anon for this because 'saltiness' gets to a point where it's just straight up being a dick...I'm always gonna rep for beginner artists the confidence and moxie they have is unmatched. Any artists with beginner art styles please don't get discouraged, there's a lot of us out there that love seeing new and practicing artists make cool stuff. Never stop making art, especially over people who speak crap on anon.
To be clear, this is being posted specifically because instead of proving their innocence, which I gave them the opportunity of doing, lizardgod is now (I believe) repeatedly spamming the inbox with anon and/or alt messages trying to discredit the blog. It's unfortunate that this resembles what Mod L did, but I hope anyone who reads this can understand the difference in circumstances.
For those of you that don't know (including lizardgod, apparently), your filegarden url is the same across your account. Basically, the url will contain your associated code, and then the filename after. You can see this with Tendo64's account; if you browse their folders, you can see that all of their UMA files share the same account prefix, which is ZRWXPzccGFWyKuiN, followed by /[filename].
Obviously I can't say whether or not everything critical of the blog in the last few days has been from lizardgod - I do personally believe that a lot of it has been, but there's no real way to prove that. The exception to that is an ask that just came in.
You can see the user code associated with lizardgod's screenshots here, from their earlier response to Mod L's post: aVXfInnxBFnXyPpR
Since lizardgod seems to be frustrated that they can't debunk my research or convince me to out myself, they've resorted to sending memes about how the blog is in fact very bad and stupid.
Well, that was rather silly of you. At the very least this shows you're still watching the blog and sending in anonymous snark, despite blocking us. In my mind, it proves most of this has been you the whole time, seeing as it comes after repeated failed attempts to pick holes in our research and processes. But I guess I'll just leave it up to anyone who can be bothered to read this to come up with their own conclusions.
Funny meme though, this is pretty accurate, lol. It would have been funnier if you'd included the OTT disclaimers and made it wordier though.
It is possible that lizardgod had shared this link with someone else and they're the one who sent it in, but all that has happened in that case is they've put lizardgod even more in the firing line. Also, if it was done via something like Discord, you wouldn't need a filegarden link as you can share images directly.
Anyway, I think that's enough for now. I think getting the balance of this is hard; I do want people to be able to critisise myself or the blog if that's what they want, but I think it's clear that very little of what has come in over the past few days has been good faith critique (and where it is, I think you can tell quite easily).
lizardgod, if I were you, I really would stop posting and sending asks now. If you are innocent, then I've laid out exactly what you should send in order to prove that, and I can remove everything and issue an apology if that is the case. At the moment, as far as I'm concerned, you're damaging your reputation further and looking quite silly in the process.
I will probably hang onto any more critical asks for now and if I think there's anything worth responding to, I'll do it all in one go. I may screenshot the old asks and responses and do the same thing later if I have the time. Flooding the blog with this kind of thing isn't very productive or very entertaining.
Do not harass lizardgod or anyone who chooses to defend them in this situation. Do not contact potential victims.
This post follows on from an incident in which the user lizardgod and our previous mod, Mod L, got into a personal argument. In response, Mod L released some evidence we had on lizardgod early, without our usual "due process" or disclaimers, and without my (Mod P) knowledge. At the time of writing, everything is still up for transparency's sake - you can see Mod L's post here, lizardgod's response here, and my initial response after removing Mod L from the blog here.
This blog relies on being honest, trustworthy, and fair, and that was always my goal, which is why I removed Mod L over this - lizardgod could have been as bad as otter and I would still have been very angry with the way this was handled.
Having said all of that, based on the previous evidence, lizardgod's response, and a little extra I found in the aftermath of this, I do believe lizardgod is intentionally sending unfair trades to users who don't know better. Mod L's approach undermines what I believe is credible evidence, but I will now be reposting and summarising that evidence with the full write-up it should have had in the first place. I'm going to explain exactly why we originally thought this was scamming, why I still think that, and why I think lizardgod's response does not explain it away.
Existing evidence
lizardgod first came to our attention after being one of the few people to post "no support" in a suggestion thread about cracking down on scammers. Obviously this on it's own says nothing, but we noted their username down to check out in case there was anything worth finding. We did this with some of the other users who did this, and similar sorts of behaviour in other places/topics, and in most cases found nothing noteworthy; lizardgod was one of those few people who we did actually find evidence for after these checks.
This was started late January, and so the "hype" of D18 had mostly died down, which means that circumstantial evidence can be harder to find. People will trade off their stolen valuables a lot of the time, that's often why they steal them in the first place. However, we did still find the following:
The Black Creep on lizardgod's side is a highly recognisable valuable pet (up to 0.5MA). In exchange, the only thing we could find from lizardgod was this assorted rare rat.
*Note: lizardgod has traded the Black Creep in the time between Mod L's post and this one. We don't consider this suspicious in any way, just pointing out that they no longer own it.
The victim themselves had joined in November 2024, which means they were very new to the site at the time; this was a 2024 D18 trade.
lizardgod's response:
Replies:
the slumber party one was traded before rarities came out. both users and I were happy with the trade [...]
wait I went back, the slumber party trade was sent to me by that user. I didn't even initiate that trade originally.
Full response:
I didn’t mention use of the script on my thread until around nov ‘25 and the first trade I could find of mentioning CS value that corresponds to the script/Horror's guide was in sep ‘25. [...]
before that I was trading on vibes, rarities, unknown for unknown rarities, and relying on others to know what they valued things at [...]
the slumber dog pet: ok I did look back on it and I added it because oh cool pet I wanted it at the time. as you can see the date was 12-19-24. the rarities were not released. I did not use the script. it looked fair to me, I didn’t use nons/mas then (as all backed by my previous info), and I still would consider this a fair trade. Again if the user came to me, that’s one thing. This was two years ago.
lizardgod adds this screenshot of the initial trade offer they sent alongside their response:
To address these specific points:
lizardgod mentions that rarities had not been released. However, they were aware that D18s are rare+ rereleases. They offered one rare, the Halloween rat. They seem to suggest that they believed this to be fair because it was technically "unknown rarity for unknown rarity" at the time, not for the rat but for the assorted Christmas pets which everyone gets (as in, predictably common-uncommon). This is more than 2 years after joining the site when I believe they should be familiar with these things by now.
They initially say that the trade was sent by the other user. They then come back and say it was actually their trade. We can give some leeway for panic, considering this was a stressful situation. However, there's still a chance that they were making excuses before realising that they shouldn't lie about these things as they can theoretically be checked.
The Black Creep doesn't grow. I believe this means that, at the time the trade was sent, it was fully grown and had its associated rarity. Regardless of whether lizardgod personally "likes" Horror's values, I doubt that they didn't know what they were asking for at the time, considering they were asking for it.
It was one year ago, not two.
Considering this a "fair trade" even now is strange at best and dishonest at worst.
The second potentially stolen pet we found was this:
This time it is from 2025, with the victim in this circumstance having joined December 2025. The payment included this white pps dog and a random common cat.
lizardgod's response:
Replies:
so the betta did have other agreed on pets
Full response:
yeah this is the most ‘scammy‘ trade I have due to just not paying attention. I was on my phone when I traded it, it looked vaguely fair. probably would’ve sent an apology pet out if I even checked it on my pc. fact is, I don’t check trades if they are accepted (and most of the time not even when they aren’t). If I don’t check a trade I do on my phone, I assume the other person thinks it’s fair and again, I don’t check trades that happen. I can straight up say this was not a great trade and if they came to me about it, I swear on my own lizardgod self, I would trade it back no questions. I’m sorry to the person I traded, and if you see this, I’m more than happy to fix it if you’re upset with the trade. If not, cool, I’ll still send a few pets over XD
lizardgod attaches this screenshot:
To address these specific points:
The betta had one other pet included. This could again be explained as panic or relying on memory; it could also technically have been a lie.
By D18 2025, you can click on an RR to see it's initial release date. Additionally, if you've been on the site for 3 years, I'm sure you're aware of the original Malk bettas. I don't believe that lizardgod would reasonably not know what they're asking for, and I don't think "I don't know, I was busy" is an excuse for sending scam trades.
The victim is a new user who has remained largely inactive. The name of the dog shows it's original release date. Other pets in lizardgod's collection have similar name formatting, so I believe this name was added by lizardgod and has not been changed by the victim since. This implies either that lizardgod is familiar enough with the archive to go searching through to find a pet whilst growing, or that they know how to click on an RR and see the initial release date. This implies that at the time of trading, they were almost definitely aware that they were trading a rare for a very rare, at minimum. Personally, I believe this is a very strong indication that they absolutely knew the specific pet they were offering and asking for.
Not having the script on your phone is understandable. Knowing about the script and using it for fairness, but sending high-value trades without it to new users, is deliberate (in my opinion).
It's worth pointing out that in both of these circumstances, lizardgod's main defence seems to be that neither of the victims have said anything about it. These are new users who obviously don't know their rarities. In a couple of these cases (there are two more victims about to come up), they seem to have gone inactive. While technically it's true that someone who gets scammed and doesn't know or care is not "hurt" by it, this does not make the trade fair or ethical - it just means you're getting away with it.
New evidence
When making this post, I decided to look at lizardgod's account again. It is worth noting that this is now months after D18, and a few days after lizardgod has been publicly called out for potential scamming. It's possible that they took other D18s and have traded them away before we had the time to find them, although we don't have any evidence of this obviously.
Having said that, I still found the following:
This is another 2025 D18, from an new(er) user (more in a moment). By this point, as we've established, lizardgod almost definitely knows how to check RRs for their original release date. Their cakedog is not an RR, so it was fully grown and there was no question as to its rarity/value.
This victim helpfully has very few groups, which means it was easy to check their entire collection; unless it has since been traded, this user did not receive anything else from lizardgod of note. Although they seem to be actively collecting pets, they only have one forum post - it's not impossible that they have traded other rares away, but I do think it's unlikely.
So, what is the one post in question? Well, perhaps it's worth adding a little bit more of lizardgod's response first for context.
I don’t sniff out new players like a bloodhound lmao I trade with everyone that I don’t have blocked and I assume a majority of the site are not new players
The victim of this trade is from 2023. However, they have one post, and it's in the newbie forum, posted on December 19th 2025.
This is exactly why Mod L should have waited for us to do proper research; this is extra important context. Admittedly though, lizardgod sharing some of the trades with us has actually given us even more evidence for this.
Victim 1, with the Black Creep, posted this:
lizardgod sent their trade to this person within 12 hours according to their own screenshot:
Victim 2, with the betta, had also posted to the new users forum:
However, lizardgod's screenshot cuts off the trade message and the date/time.
In all of these cases, at the times these trades occurred, these users have made no other posts. They are not highly active users. It is possible they were found in the active user list or even that they sent the trades to lizardgod, but it is also very possible that lizardgod explicitly found them the same way a lot of scammers do, which is trawling the newbies board around D18. I don't personally think the timing is a coincidence.
One thing which Mod L chose not to post was a pet which was also sitting in the draft post, but at the time we hadn't fully looked at the previous owner.
This potential victim is also a new user from 2025. At the time of making the draft, we had only found an uncommon dog from lizardgod. I expect that Mod L didn't post this as we were meaning to go back and check and never had, or maybe they also searched through the account more before posting. I searched their entire account while writing this, and found these in exchange:
On the face of it, this trade does appear to be relatively fair, assuming that this was the full content of the trade. However...
This user also posted to the newbie forum in December, which is worth pointing out. They had one other post, which was just an assorted oekaki drawing, until late January when they became more active. Again, the most likely way lizardgod could have found this person, even if the trade is fair, is through the newbies board. Because this evidence was initially added to our draft in late January, we can definitely say that this trade must have occurred between D18 2025 and end of January 2026. For what it's worth, (potential) Victim 4's thread is within 6 pages of victims 1-3, not a stretch if you're actively searching through the newbie forum around D18.
To be clear, we are not saying this one is actual evidence on it's own. It will come up again at the end though.
The submission
After Mod L posted about lizardgod, another trader reached out with a submission. Mod L was planning on going through this and posting it when I saw their messages and came back. After my post about the situation, we received another message from the submitter, posted here for transparency:
I sent them a message letting them know that, while Mod L was wrong, I still believed we had enough evidence to post lizardgod. I told them I wouldn't post it unless they told me to do so, but asked them whether or not they wanted it posted again to be sure. They responded:
For context, this was a very high-value trade sent during 2024. This poster was not a new user at the time.
These messages are being posted because Mod L "promised" a submission and I don't want them to do even further damage to the reputation of the blog by just sweeping that under the rug now; this is just to show that a submission was sent in and that the person changed their mind after my post. I am respecting this decision. If they change their mind again after this post goes up, the original submission is still in the inbox and I can still make a follow-up with their evidence.
(Side note: I'm not sure why this person believes lizardgod has been on CS since "the early days", I think this may just be a typo or misunderstanding of some kind.)
The rest of lizardgod's response
Finally, I wanted to specifically address lizardgod's response. I'm not sure exactly how Mod L was planning to respond, but I'm just coming at this from my own perspective now as I haven't spoken to Mod L about this specifically and we're not in contact at the moment.
I'll address points in the order of the response.
I haven’t ever solidly followed a guide and rely on the script *if* I want to see values. [...] before that I was trading on vibes, rarities, unknown for unknown rarities, and relying on others to know what they valued things at, to the point some of the trades I looked at while compiling these, were unfair to me.
No one is forced to use the script or guides. I don't have anything against people with alternative value systems and I don't consider it scamming just to have alternative valuations. However, as the great majority of the community does agree on specific values, it's your responsibility (if you care about trading fairly) to make sure people know you are valuing your pets differently. In addition, all of these trades have been pets of noteworthy value; you're not just doing 2C$ underpay for an 8C$ pet.
This is also now part of CS's new rules, which is probably why you've been so vocally against this change.
I didn’t mention use of the script on my thread until around nov ‘25 and the first trade I could find of mentioning CS value that corresponds to the script/Horror's guide was in sep ‘25.
We can't take this as fact, but I can see what you've pointed to as evidence for this and I'm choosing to take this at face value. However, technically, the first time you mention it has nothing to do with the first time you used it, and there can theoretically be a significant gap there.
In fact 75 pages of my trades are from last year and the start of this year mostly from players vs I’m guessing about 50 pages from 2024, with a huge percentage of 2024 being from l&f, pound, gift bombing, or event npc. Even less in 2023 + 2022 because I hardly played since I thought you had to feed your pets cuz I came from Lioden lmao
All of the potential scam trades we have evidence of (including the unposted submission) are from late 2024 onwards. Three of them are after you supposedly began using the script in November 2025.
even now, if it looks vaguely fair, if I like a certain design, or a countless other reasons, I’ll send out a trade even if it’s not fair to the script/Horror’s definition of fair.
Again, trading outside of the guide values is not scamming; not being honest about it is deceptive, however. There is no good reason for you not to just let people know that you don't know or care about Horror's guide, so that they can be fully informed when they make their decisions, especially since in all of these cases you're trading with new players.
I assume my trade partner knows the values they want to go off of and if they don’t like it, then there’s not much I’m going to do besides look into it if they reach out. If someone is absolutely devastated after a trade, regardless of the time frame, I’m willing to talk it out.
While there is obviously a difference in culpability between intentionally trying to scam people and being "reckless" and not being honest, neither is good.
According to this post, it's also been in your rules since at least the start of November 2025 that you don't do tradebacks, so I don't think it's very honest to suggest that you'd be undoing things if people had just spoken to you about it.
In the 4 or so years I’ve been here, I haven’t had an issue and no one has said anything
From what I can tell, anomalocaris is one of the biggest and most egregious scammers on CS, and they have basically never been mentioned across any of the salt blogs, by any of their previous usernames or sockpuppet usernames, until we posted about them.
New users often don't recognise that they've been scammed, and if they do it can take a long time. Confronting your scammers on-site also puts you at risk of being banned. This just doesn't prove anything, basically.
I assume a majority of the site are not new players (and even if they are, as I’ve pointed out, many of them have memorized Horror’s guide to a scary accuracy or post to the ‘is it fair thread‘).
All indications are that you're actively searching for newbies to trade with around D18. Additionally, players with no trade rules are almost always new or not very active in the community/with trading, which is obvious. You can also see their collections when you try to trade with them; if you see they have almost no pets and all are recent, you obviously must realise they're new.
I have never seen a new player "memorise Horror's guide" (anyone new who knows values is either using the script or an alt account) and none of these specific victims have posted to the FTT, although I can accept that many new players might.
You all are trying to compare a billionaire to someone with 10 dollars. [...] my one betta gotten through negligence on my end, is not going to be the fall of the entire cs economy. Strawman arguements don't look great btw
This is the definition of a strawman argument, I'm afraid.
"A straw man argument is a logical fallacy where someone misrepresents, exaggerates, or fabricates an opponent's argument to make it easier to attack."
You've been following us for a while now and I'm sure you're aware that we sometimes post people with only 1 or 2 pets which indicate potential scamming if we think that's enough evidence; we don't only post otter-level tyrants here. Mod L's vitriol was personal, but the evidence was still the kind of thing we usually post, and I'm not sure anyone ever said you were the scamming equivalent of a "billionaire". If you have $10 and the other guy has $2, and you steal $1, you're still a thief.
If you want to see all the trades as bad faith, I can’t stop you. If you don’t want to trade with me, that’s fine. Block and move on.
That's exactly what this blog is meant to be for. We provide the evidence we've found and we let users make their own decisions. I can only apologise that we ended up straying from that when things got heated; Mod L is no longer here (and won't be coming back) and I'm going to be trying my best to return to more neutral language across the board. It's up to everyone else now what they do with the information I'm posting.
Other quick assorted points I wanted to acknowledge:
lizardgod mentioned in their replies that they do art trades, off-sites, etc as a way of refuting the specific accusations of the betta and Black Creep. They were probably aware when they mentioned it that those things are not involved in these trades. Again, maybe you can just excuse it as panic. It's not a smoking gun, just worth mentioning; Mod L wasn't really wrong when they said lizardgod's story kept changing.
Just generally speaking, negligence or recklessness in trading is still bad, even if it lacks the intent of deliberate scamming. You're not a newbie with no understanding of values; you're now self-admittedly aware of things during the time period when most of these trades have occurred. Choosing to ignore due diligence, especially around D18, is bad trading. It's still something we would call out and encourage people not to do. This is still the most generous interpretation of all the information we have, including what you've given us yourself.
There is a chance (though it's not something I personally believe is the case) that at least two of the victims, who have empty-ish profiles and are not very active, are sockpuppets. In this case, lizardgod would be cheating through alts, not scamming. This is still against site rules and still something we post here to call out for that reason. We believe it's especially unlikely for one of these two as they also have a different very valuable D18 which is in a NFT group.
Questions for lizardgod
The last thing I'll say is that, as always, we're open to people providing evidence that clears up any of our claims. This has already happened once, we apologised to this user and removed them from the list and posted the information they gave us.
However, I'm going to give lizardgod a very specific prerequisite for clearing this up. I'm not opposed to this being corrected if I think we got it wrong, but in order to do that, you need to be fully transparent with us. That means no more cropped screenshots or exonerating claims without evidence.
If you do decide to send any/all of this, do it privately. We don't want any other users to be contacted or harassed because their info has been posted publicly.
Provide the trade links for all 4 trades mentioned in this post; the Black Creep trade, the betta trade, the bird horse trade, and the OMGSR rat trade. Screenshots are not enough as they can be altered.
Provide the screenshots for all messages included in all four trades, if there are any. Even better, provide the screenshots regardless so that we can see you haven't actively made any false statements in your trades.
Provide trade links for any and all trades in which you have knowingly accepted underpay for your pets because they were fair in your eyes, even if they were not according to the script. This will prove your statement in this regard. One trade is not enough; if this happens often, as you imply, there should be at least 2-3 different trades, and they should not be in that 2022-2023 time period in which you admit you barely used the site.
Provide the trade history list for your trades in screenshots. Specifically, we want to know how many trades you sent between December 18th 2025 and January 1st 2026. Then give us the trade links and the trading partners for all of the trades in this time period so we can see whether or not you actively searched out new users around D18.
I'm asking for this specific information because we're making these specific claims, and this would be how you debunk them. You're not obliged to do all of this, or any of this really, but if you do want to clear your name, in my eyes at least, this is the only way to prove it. Without this information, this post will stay up as-is, and it will be up to the readers to decide.
Ideally, I don't want to say anything else about this (with the exception of posting a clarification if lizargod gives me the evidence, or posting submissions as usual if they pertain to lizardgod).
I'm really disappointed that this has happened and it's caused a rift between me and my friend (through their own fault, but still). It's a blog about bad traders on a pet site, so people are going to have whatever opinions on it they want regardless, but I wanted this to be a resource, not a drama blog. All I can say is that I don't agree with what happened and I won't be adding anyone to the blog who will do that sort of thing again.
I'll continue posting when I can, but please be patient if I don't post things right away. Thanks everyone.
So genuine question because I feel like I'm so very stupid on the new rule changes: is the staff not just repeating what I'm saying, recognizing it's a flawed rule, but telling me it will magically catch scam/ninja?
Like every explanation I've seen from players and staff are essentially saying MA/nons just can't be used in Horror's list but you can use it for your values but you can't use it in your guide. I'm so confused and every explanation is rotating the same set of words that seem to reiterate my point. If you've read my posts on CS, please explain what I'm not getting like I'm five because I don't even know what I'm not getting lmaoo you can dm me, I just want to understand because I feel like I'm talking out of my ass on CS atp
810851345928224768/l1zardg0d I wasn't making fun of you// first off, even if you did it's ok XD I vaguely understand ma/non I just use the script if I'm curious lmao
Second off this is my actual last post. Since most people read the salt blog I'll send off here. I could send in all the proof in the world and someone is still going to scream 'ninja' at me. I was honest about both of the trades sent in. If I send in trade proof for the new evidence, it's never going to be good enough for people who will always see a raisin as a dead fly in the cookie. If there's a person who's upset with a trade I've done, you are genuinely allowed to reach out to me even if I can't do a trade back or make it up. My final statement is: the block button is free and accessible.
I haven’t ever solidly followed a guide and rely on the script *if* I want to see values. I can’t use the script on my phone and I don’t care enough to figure it out. I didn’t mention use of the script on my thread until around nov ‘25 and the first trade I could find of mentioning CS value that corresponds to the script/Horror's guide was in sep ‘25.
before that I was trading on vibes, rarities, unknown for unknown rarities, and relying on others to know what they valued things at, to the point some of the trades I looked at while compiling these, were unfair to me. I don’t even have that many trades to even show for most of my time on cs up until recently. In fact 75 pages of my trades are from last year and the start of this year mostly from players vs I’m guessing about 50 pages from 2024, with a huge percentage of 2024 being from l&f, pound, gift bombing, or event npc. Even less in 2023 + 2022 because I hardly played since I thought you had to feed your pets cuz I came from Lioden lmao
example 1 → file{.}garden/aVXfInnxBFnXyPpR/UR%20Flower%20Drag
2 → file{.}garden/aVXfInnxBFnXyPpR/example%202
even now, if it looks vaguely fair, if I like a certain design, or a countless other reasons, I’ll send out a trade even if it’s not fair to the script/Horror’s definition of fair. I also don’t do a lot of trading above rare pets, I don’t care to memorize, consult, or always follow the script when the majority of my trades are UC and below.
I assume my trade partner knows the values they want to go off of and if they don’t like it, then there’s not much I’m going to do besides look into it if they reach out. If someone is absolutely devastated after a trade, regardless of the time frame, I’m willing to talk it out. In the 4 or so years I’ve been here, I haven’t had an issue and no one has said anything until someone pissed in the csbadtrader’s wheaties (it was me). lastly, I don’t check out users profiles for the most part unless they post a lot (and I’m annoyed at seeing their post too much), if I absolutely have to (i.e. art or to block), or I’m on a random whim.
I don’t sniff out new players like a bloodhound lmao I trade with everyone that I don’t have blocked and I assume a majority of the site are not new players (and even if they are, as I’ve pointed out, many of them have memorized Horror’s guide to a scary accuracy or post to the ‘is it fair thread‘). I send out what I see as fair to the rarities and my own demand (in a nutshell spooky scary is cool, ombre pattern is not).
so. onto the trades.
the betta: yeah this is the most ‘scammy‘ trade I have due to just not paying attention. I was on my phone when I traded it, it looked vaguely fair. probably would’ve sent an apology pet out if I even checked it on my pc. fact is, I don’t check trades if they are accepted (and most of the time not even when they aren’t). If I don’t check a trade I do on my phone, I assume the other person thinks it’s fair and again, I don’t check trades that happen. I can straight up say this was not a great trade and if they came to me about it, I swear on my own lizardgod self, I would trade it back no questions. I’m sorry to the person I traded, and if you see this, I’m more than happy to fix it if you’re upset with the trade. If not, cool, I’ll still send a few pets over XD
file{.}garden/aVXfInnxBFnXyPpR/betta
the slumber dog pet: ok I did look back on it and I added it because oh cool pet I wanted it at the time. as you can see the date was 12-19-24. the rarities were not released. I did not use the script. it looked fair to me, I didn’t use nons/mas then (as all backed by my previous info), and I still would consider this a fair trade. Again if the user came to me, that’s one thing. This was two years ago.
me to them file{.}garden/aVXfInnxBFnXyPpR/Slumber%201
edit them to me file{.}garden/aVXfInnxBFnXyPpR/Slumber%202
me to them final file{.}garden/aVXfInnxBFnXyPpR/Slumber%203
You all are trying to compare a billionaire to someone with 10 dollars. One accidental bad trade doesn’t instantly make me or anyone else a scammer. If you want to see all the trades as bad faith, I can’t stop you. If you don’t want to trade with me, that’s fine. Block and move on. Hell, ring the town bell if you want, but I promise you my one betta gotten through negligence on my end, is not going to be the fall of the entire cs economy. Strawman arguements don't look great btw, I've already gotten warned on my politics on cs so I won't say much, but I'm not defending Otter's politics/opinions, I'm pointing out the kind of thinking that does equal damage to people who lie about disorders. You don't have to make up bad things when the person is already bad.
Please check this post. I'll respond later; for now, here is lizardgod's response as-is.
lizardgod has sent in a post "explaining" everything which I will post, it's just long and I wanna address everything in it so it'll be up soon, before they start claiming I'm ignoring it
Also worth noting though is someone has sent in a submission with their own multiple scam attempts from lizardgod so we'll be posting that soon too
