Not to pit ships against one another, but I haven't been able to find a good answer for this question: ktdk is obviously very, very popular in Japan. Is there a series of factors for why it isn't as popular in the non-Japanese fandom? (At least, tddk is WAY more accepted and hyped by western fans.) :'c As an English-speaking fan, it makes me a little blue.
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Mod Deku explores this very topic in her thread here: X
In summary, it’s mostly because of very biased and incorrect translations the western fandom was presented with. BakuDeku is the most popular ship in Japan fandom, which is why OVA’s make jabs to the BKDK fans and merch is numerous.
There were even rings produced back in Season 1 and that’s odd in it of itself considering where BakuDeku’s development was.
So that says a lot about the quality of work and perspective we’re getting from our translations vs. what JPN is seeing.
They actually are just as more meta inclined than us! It’s so interesting! I think I only got one meta from east fandom translated to us and they see things *we* can’t catch!
Victor is going to die; he knows by the way his vision is blackening around the edges and the burn of the poison in his arteries that it’ll be soon, and quick.
He rests his head on Yuuri’s chest, feeling the last of his tears seep out and soak into Yuuri’s shirt. “I love you, Yuuri,” he mumbles around the words like cotton in his mouth. “I’ll see you soon.”
As deaths go, holding onto Yuuri and professing his love with his dying breath is not the worst way to go, he thinks.
Yuuri wakes up from his fake death hours later, only to grieve and follow Victor minutes after, imbibing the same poison and in the same position.
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Thank you, for your discourse on this fandom hate toward fujoshi. That's all.
Thank you!
I saw a post a bit ago that was like “fujoshi will never get anyone to love them because they’re too busy obsessing over gay men to get a real man”
And I’m like - you’re not even trying to hide your misogyny, it’s like sexism 101 level stuff.
The idea that what women do should center around what men want.
“Boys won’t like you if you X”
That girls and women should care what boys and men like and strive to cater to their preferences. Like every action a girl/woman takes must be about pleasing men. No other goal. No self fulfillment. No ‘what you want’ because at the end of the day girls aren’t supposed to want anything, they’re just supposed to be wanted and work to be appealing so men will want them. Like we’re a consumable.
1) Plenty of fujoshi don’t care if men like them. Plenty are lesbians. Plenty are ace. Some are ace lesbians.
Attention men - not everything is about you.
2) Plenty of women who do like men, bi girls and straight girls, are pretty tired of the notion that we have to decide what to enjoy and how to ‘behave’ based on what men find attractive.
3) It’s not just women who like yaoi...
Feminism rant:
You know what I hate? The notion that I should care that
“Boys don’t like girls who X. “
Forget about it.
F- it.
Wear no make up. Wear a ton of make up. Play sports. Be assertive even if men say that makes you ‘bossy’. Have sex if you want to. Don’t have sex if you don’t want to. Set boundaries. Enjoy what you want even if it’s not ‘for girls’ and even if men don’t like it.
A woman’s life and purpose isn’t about pleasing men, even if you like men.
I think in 2017 there are plenty of women who’d rather be with guy who likes her for her. Rather than faking who you are to get boys, I think we can be ourselves and limit the dating pool to people who like us and support us for who we are, no matter who we are...
My IRL AFAB friends range from the most femme girly girl(describes herself as a ‘basic white girl’ stereotype) who loves fashion and make up and Starbucks. She loves that stuff. A gender queer person who doesn’t care about gender roles and falls into a lot of the stereotypically masculine traits. I know girls who are veterans and active military service. Powerful, athletic, determined women. One is the stereotypical ‘tom boy’ hair in a bun, no make up, no interest in fashion. The other does beauty tutorials on youtube and is adorable and “feminine”.
And none of their choices of who they are or what they do is about what men want.
It’s about what they want and who they are and all of them like men (some also like other genders too, but all of them will date or are currently dating guys - guys who love them for them and respect their interests even if they don’t share them).
So guys, like if your argument is ‘you’ll never get a guy if you behave like that’ referring to girls enjoying something men don’t approve of...
Uh yeah, women might want to date /you/ but there are plenty of men we can date (not to mention all the other non-men dating options).
Honestly, fujoshi hating guy, no one really cares if you won’t date them because none of us want to date an asshole. Not because you don’t like yaoi, no one has to like anything (I don’t like most sports or FPS video games, or card games that involve way too much math and spending money on expansion packs). Disliking something doesn’t make you an asshole. Being rude to other people because they like things you don’t like makes you an asshole.
What people do to enjoy themselves is up to them - and that applies to things women do.
If men have a hobby, women are supposed to support. All those commercials for “game day” where men have fun and women are on chef and waitress duty in the kitchen bringing out the snacks and party planning.
If women have a hobby, it’s sort of derided and men just avoid it. You don’t see commercials where men serve snacks and tea at their wive’s sewing circle meetings or plan what to buy for the ladies book club.
If something is ‘for girls’ it’s ridiculed. If something has no appeal for straight guys (doesn’t cater to the male gaze like most other media) it’s under that category of ‘what’s wrong with you’. How dare you dedicate time to something that in no way pleases men. That by design isn’t about pleasing men?
Women are people too. Women can like things. What we like is about what we enjoy. If you can’t like someone without sharing all their interests and in no way support interests you don’t share - I don’t want to date you.
And for the record. It’s not just women who like yaoi.
My husband loves yaoi. I collect yaoi manga. I collect it to support the genre (one of very few that is by women for women) and because I might get around to reading it, and the art is pretty.
I haven’t read most of my collection.
My husband has read all of it. Sometimes multiple times.
He also gets more heated about M/m shipping.
Like I showed him some cute Sora/Kairi art and he started ranting about how Sora belongs with Riku like the most stereotypical ‘rabid fangirl’ you can imagine. (side note - have you ever noticed how men are passionate or dedicated, but girls are obsessive or rabid?’)
And this was before he came out as bi (yaoi and slash fic helped him to explore his sexuality and come to a point where he could come out as bi).
And although he likes and dates guys, he is more into girls, he’s into women.
He also just really like the romance genre and enjoys slow build and emotional investment over the superficial male gaze stuff you see in fan service for guys.
So like no, fujoshi hating straight men, we’re not hurt by you saying you won’t date us. We can just date men who also like shipping or date men who are supportive of their friends liking things they’re not into (and if you date someone, you should see them as your friend, right?).
(And like - I’ve been to yaoi con, there’s a subset of straight guys who attend the con just to meet girls, because it’s a strictly 18 plus events where men can actually ‘act sexy’ and enjoy girls giving them attention, which is pretty appealing to men who like girls and think the gender role system that says they have to chase girls and never enjoy unsolicited attention from girls is pretty B.S. and actually thinking about inverting the system instead of assuming girls must really love unsolicited dick picks and cat calls since they’d like some attention sometime).
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The weather is very much at 'tolerable' today. ╮(╯▽╰)╭ Cooler than the past few days but still at 99% humidity, so my hair's been very ~stylishly~ (not) poofed.
...BUT! It didn't rain, and I got some delicious medium-rare steak and now I have chocolate mousse cake as I watch some silly livestreams. ❤
Walking and cycling the streets of these small Provençal villages is so inspiring. Life is beautifully simple and so colorful. Le merveilleux de la quotidienne. #france #provence #laquotidienne #lifeisbeautiful (at Entrecasteaux)
