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INTP and Tattoo

Guys, would you like to get yourself permanent tattoo(s)? Why?

P.S.: If you are not INTP, feel free to answer. Just mention your type. I am curious.

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actually i have more questions but you can just answer in your own time, i'll send different asks so u can spread it out if u want [waving hand emoji] anyway i'm interested in how u think the enneagram types approach independence and freedom differently?

lmao thank u for spreading them i appreciate it

I’ll just go type by type for organization’s sake

1s--I think they’d mostly view independence as like “sticking to your guns” as in not wavering from your rule book/principles/values/etc despite life challenges, people disagreeing, etc. I think freedom would be something they’re kind of fundamentally uncomfortable with because they might view it as sort of unsettling/anxiety inducing bc they then lose what they’ve built their identity on. With integration to 7, they have a better understanding of freedom, and are likely to conceptualize it as something they give themselves, by “letting go.”

2s--I think they’d see independence as a kind of intimidating/unappealing concept bc they’re likely to either see it as something they’re bad at achieving or something they don’t understand the appeal of. It’s with integration to 4 that they get a better idea of their own distinct identity separate from community/other people, and they start to hone their idea of individuality. They’re likely to see freedom as interpersonal, eg I think a lot of 2s see freedom as when they’re with people they can be “free” with instead of with people that make them feel insecure.

3s--I think 3s see independence as a main goal, and view it as intrinsically tied to their success. The more successful they are, the more independent they are. and the more they can take care of themselves, the more they’ve proved themselves. I think they can get kind of unhealthily wrapped up in this, and it’s with integration to 6 that they can understand how dependence/trust in other people can be valuable/healthy. I think they view freedom as this concept of a future when they’ve so proved themselves that they’ve kind of reached the ending point. I don’t think they think too hard about this, because 3s essentially see life as a constant exponential increase in success and if they don’t stay on that track they’re failing, but they have this vague concept of Proving themselves, at which point freedom is achieved. However I think in reality freedom is achieved for them when they gain a sense of intrinsic worth, independent of the outside world + expectations + achievement.

4s--I think 4s view independence as tied to their identity and individuality. It’s something very internal for them, it’s about having their own sense of self, separate from other people and the world. I think they view freedom as something tied to thought and expression, they view freedom as being able to “be themselves.”

5s--I think 5s view independence as being very internal as well. I think 5s are def the most independent type/the type that values independence the most, at least on this very literal, internal level (rather than on like a financial or physical level like a 3). 5s view independence as being able to exist/having a honed identity/sense of thought completely separate from/resilient to the outside world and other people. I think 5s view freedom as being very tied to this independence, they view freedom as the ability to escape any situation, often by receding into themselves.

6s--I think 6s have a hard time with independence, and view it basically the same as what I've described for 2s, except more specific to certain people rather than the community as a whole. I think they view freedom as threatening the way that 1s do, I think they like to be dependent on people and gain a better relationship to it with integration to 9, where they might begin to view freedom as an internal thing, about internal peace and separation from the outside world and other people.

7s--I think a lot of 7s have a very strong sense of independence, and view it as very tied to their freedom. They tend to define their independence as their resilience and ability to be easy going in any situation--their ability to have a good time and remain unbothered even as life gets really bad. I think that freedom for them is about their ability to do whatever they want, whenever they want, regardless of rules/the world/their situation. I think that their concepts of both independence and freedom can be unhealthy for them, because they often are not built on real freedom, because of their tendency to lead toward escapism and avoid actually addressing their problems.

8s--I think 8s view independence as very power driven. A healthy 8 will view independence as their ability to control their own life and choices/ability to support themselves, but many 8s seem to feel as if their independence is threatened when they cannot control other people's lives as well. Their idea of freedom is analogous to this, they tend to feel free when they can control their own life, but some feel like they are losing freedom purely because they cannot control aspects of their life which are not theirs to control.

9s--I think 9s tend to view independence as very internal as well. I think they tend to view it as something they can achieve by always remaining neutral and at peace, regardless of outer turmoil. I think they view freedom as the ability to achieve this, similar to 5s.

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hey claire, i have 2 questions, no prob if u don't have time to answer or whatev. 1. can u explain how an infj might manipulate people (consciously or unconsciously)? 2. i do this thing when i'm trying to make a decision where basically i can argue myself in either direction and i come up with lots of reasons, but inside i just /know/ what i'll choose. but going with my gut feels careless so i have to spend the time arguing with myself first. does that sound like any type/function? thanks!

hi! 

1. I think INFJs usually manipulate is pretty subtle ways, they’re more likely to make someone think that something was their own idea by kind of hinting. They’ll usually go with what they’ve sort of picked up about a person and try to use that to “suggest” things to do/think. Like INFJ notices person A is jealous of person B. INFJ wants person A to do something, so they say something that might suggest that person B would do it. ya feel? they’re very indirect, and very interpersonal. They p much always manipulate in ways that involve people as tools. I’d say if it’s unconscious it’ll obviously be even more indirect, where an INFJ might unconsciously poke at something they know is sensitive in a person to make them do something or think something. 

2. I 100% do that, and I think the way I do it is Very INFJ bc the “knowing” what i’ll choose is the Ni, which has sort of “known” something based on a lot of unconscious, difficult to articulate shit. I know that I “know” the thing, but my Ti is uncomfortable with how unprocessed it is, and how I don’t know the details, and why, etc. My Fe is uncomfortable because I feel like I’m just going with my own bias. So my Ti retroactively reassesses everything a little obsessively and readdresses all the other perspectives, with help from the Fe. ya feel? But i can see how someone might “know” which thing they’ll go with in a very Fi way, and the whole “seeing every perspective” thing could then happen in a very Ne way, and that’d just be like, say, an indecisive ENFP. But i do think that overall it’s very INFJ, i’m just trying to cover my bases here cause I can see how another type might do it. no prob

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Follow up question of infjs and potentially viewing people as lesser: once I saw an infj/infj tips for a friendship and it said for the infj that just because they use Te it doesn't mean their lesser. I'm aware of an infj that refers to people as having lesser minds and I thought infjs were elitist? I'm so confused right now haha! Also thanks for your response it was really in depth

no prob man

Tbh with things like that it’s totally possible the people don’t know wtf they’re talking abt. like the post couldve been made by someone who didn’t rlly know much abt mbti, and the INFJ you know could just like. not be an infj lmao.

I feel like an INFJ isn’t likely to think of someone as “lesser” bc they use Te? Like. Idk. the word lesser really gets me there it doesn’t fit well. I feel like I have almost always felt that people with strong Te are smarter than me, like I generally view them as more put together, successful, better at making arguments, etc. If we are going off of respect, which i feel like is the word most closely associated with “lesser,” i’d say people with very good Te are the people I respect the most. I can see thinking of someone with very unhealthy Fi as immature/less emotionally developed than I am, but I wouldn’t think of them as like. an objectively less valuable human being/ someone who’s fucking “lesser” man i don’t like that word. Tbh any time I’ve kinda looked at a TJ in a patronizing way, it’s been bc their Fi was acting tf up, not bc I preferred my own NiTi to their Te. Really i feel like my NiTi is inadequate to their Te when arguing with them. 

The INFJ you are aware of (know?) is just an asshole lmao i’m sorry but “lesser minds”?? what the fuck who says things like that. I’d say it’s possible they’re not an INFJ bc I personally have seen Fi users do the whole “use this thing i’m good at/this good attribute i have to push other people down and feel better about my self. anyways i’m going to isolate myself bc no one else can comprehend my complexity of thought” way more than I’ve seen Fe users do that (i know it always seems like i’m bashing Fi all the time but it’s not just that i think bad=Fi, it’s that this specific type of bad does equal Fi lol). Like the people i’ve seen do taht the most are INTJs and INFPs, which both mistype as INFJ a lot. 

HOWEVER, i do think INFJ 4s that have all too much Ni, that they’ve decided is evidence of their strong Ti even though their Ti is actually abysmal, do sometimes think of themselves as too complicated and smart for people (that have “lesser minds” lmao) to understand. I think enneagram 4s are p much fundamentally elitist, like that’s their inherent Issue they always gotta work on, and some INFJs are 4s, but idk elitism has not been one of the issues i’ve really thought of as the most central to INFJs. Anyways yea the whole idea of thinking of someone else’s world view and intelligence as fundamentally “lesser” is really black n white, tbh it seems waaaaay more like fucked up Te/Fi n Si, tho like i said i can see out of fuckin control Ni paired with 4 doing it. 

srry my incredibly confusing writing style rlly shows in this lmao

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have you ever met an entj that wasn't an asshole? All the ones I've ever know have reduced everyone into tears (including myself)

M i also know my fair share of ENTJ dick heads but i’m p sure a couple of my cousins n aunts/uncles are ENTJs n they’re not assholes like they’re mean but in a good way lmao

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what about types and a song you think epitomises them

I did one like this a couple years ago but i’ll redo. 

INFJ: Reality Check by NonameESTP: Tell Your Friends by The WeekndINTJ: Stupid Rose by Kweku CollinsESFP: Higher by Rihanna, Cranes in the Sky by SolangeINFP: Piece of My Love by Gifted GabESTJ: Reelin’ In The Years by Steely DanINTP: Ivy by Frank OceanESFJ:Black Gold by Esperanza SpaldingISFJ: Summer Friends by Chance the RapperENTP: Just Sayin/I Tried by The Internet, What Is Hip? by Tower of PowerISTJ: DUCKWORTH. by Kendrick LamarENFP: Empty by Kevin Absract ISFP: Chanel by Frank Ocean, Nothing Even Matters by Lauryn HillENTJ: Diva by BeyonceISTP:Pass Me The Vibes by Donnie Trumpet & The Social ExperimentENFJ: I Know You Know by Esperanza Spalding

For most of the Ts I had to chose songs that exhibited their weak Fe or Fi rather than strong Te or Ti since most songs center around feelings, 

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Do infjs view people who don't agree with them or resemble Fe in any way as lesser?

I mean not necessarily? The way that’s worded is sort of confusing, but I absolutely think INFJs can view TPs and FPs as equals, and can also absolutely view people who disagree with them as equals. 

Personally, it’s true I don’t like Fi. However, this is literally just me not liking FI, not me not liking weak Fe. I don’t mind low Fe really much at all. I’d say I prefer Ti dominants to Fe dominants, especially when we are speaking of it in terms of respect, because i know that i do have the tendency to sort of think of Fe centric people as being kind of oblivious/not critical enough. 

As for people disagreeing with me, to me it 100% depends on WHY people think things and less on their like Official Belief, bc i personally don’t view beliefs as concrete things that can be produced as like..solid entities. To me that’s more of an Fi thing anyway. The way that my Ni works, I really really don’t think everyone needs to agree with me at all.

Also, the whole idea of “lesser” doesn’t work with my value system/world view at all, like all of my functions very much line up to believe that people are made of potentially, and everyone can POTENTIALLY be equal. Fi pisses me off but I don’t view FPs as lesser, at all. When I don’t like someone, I view them as “farther from potential” not “fundamentally LESS than me.” I think this is extremely Ni dominant, extremely Fe/Ti. I think a lot of INFJs have a similar world view.

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INTP vs Kids

Guys, do you particulary like kids? Or at least, not being annoyed by them.