#mie hamada

[austerlitzborodinoleipzig]

Mie Hamada has burnt through four very promising skaters some of them who were junior world champions, some of them who had ultra-c elements, none of them who got the senior results they could have had based on potential.

It happened with Marin Honda, 2016 junior world champ who never even made it to senior big comps.

It happened to Mana Kawabe, bronze national medalist, sent to Beijing Olympics and Worlds that year, who had bad skates and never really recovered.

It happened this quad to Hana Yoshida who after winning bronze at 2023 GPF finished 27th at this season's Nationals

It happened to Rika Kihira who injured herself during her second senior season due to overtraining and never recovered. And she was one of a kind skater that should have challenged for the title in Beijing.

Mao Shimada comes hot into seniors being undefeated internationally. Domestically, since her junior debut, the only competitions she ever lost have been Senior Nationals where only three skaters managed to place ahead of her : Mai Mihara, Mone Chiba and Kaori Sakamoto. She's a one of a kind skater with perfect posture and lines, good skating skills, best spins in the field and very solid jumps. She even has a 3A and a quad toe.

Mao Shimada comes into senior injured and sick and exhausted. She's been injured since summer. She's been sick at junior worlds. She's been beaten a couple of times in the free skate. She has a tendency to UR her 3A and her lutz. Her quad is inconsistent at best.

She still has four years to go until French Alps 2030.

[leahthedreamer]

Defund Mie Hamada

[racoonsinskates]

When is TikTok etc gonna acknowledge that if we don’t kill Mie Hamada

We’re gonna loose Mao Shimada like we just lost Hana Yoshida

[looking-forthebigbluebox]

Both of their senior careers have been building for the 2022 Olympics and now neither of them will be there because of irresponsibility and cruelty of the adults around them.😡 Not to mention they should both be world medalists by now!

I want more than anything for them both to make full recoveries and to get their careers back on track. I have more faith in Rika's recovery if she stays with Borser as he has vast experience in helping skaters through injury but Kostornaia is in a much worse position at Sambo 70😬

When are the skaters going to be protected instead being put under so much pressure that their bodies break before they're even adults?

[eight-edges]

So I ran the injury data from @allekha 's post through excel

The blue one shows the average age of the skaters at the time of their injury, categorized by coach. Unsurprisingly, Tutberidze had the youngest on average, but the numbers are not statistically significant due to the vast differences in sample size for each coach (Tut had way more data than Hamada, for example). I also think Plushenko threw off the data for Mishin, since he retired way later than any other skater in the data and therefore had more injuries to report. I did not include eating disorders on here, simply because those can be hard to quantify and are not technically “injuries” (although they can cause or exacerbate them for sure).

The orange graph shows wether the injuries were career ending (Y is yes, M is maybe, and N is no). Both Russian camps had at least one career end, while the Japanese camps had only maybes at worst. This data is pretty subjective due to the multi-faceted nature of retirement, but I did my best.

The green graph shows the type of injuries. The vast majority were just reported as “(x body part) injury”, and thus categorized as “unknown”. Breaks and fractures were considered functionally the same thing in this data.

I think this is pretty interesting to see. Obviously, there was no data from Orser and Lambiel has not been a coach for long enough to really have a record, but that would have been nice to work with as well were it available. Let me know your thoughts or if you have any questions!

Find the original post from @allekha here!

[kittyprincessofcats]

Mana, you did so well! 😭😭😭 Shame about the 3A!

(But you know how during the Men’s SP I said I wanted to punch Stéphane Lambiel in the face? Yeah, the same applies to Mie Hamada. Among all this Tutberidze drama, let’s please not forget she’s not the only abusive coach out there, far from it.)

[figureskatingconfessions]

“If Mie Hamada is to Eteri Tutberidze, Brian Orser is to….?”

[figure-skating-confessions]

“It confuses me because it seems that Team Tutberidze and Team Hamada use a very similar technique, but it doesn't sustain the cases of the Eteri's girls, whereas for the Hamada's girls, it seems more sustainable.”