#moominvalley speculation

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this absolute genius on twitter pointed out that "the great cold" could refer to moominpappa catching a cold which IS the catalyst for him writing his memoirs right at the start of the book!!!!

I still think there's a chance the great cold is about the weather since this season is about the environment n stuff but even then, pappa could still catch a cold from the bad weather which would then segue into the explorer episode

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How do you think MV19 is going to adapt "Moominpappa's memoirs"? Because it seems like they're also doing the comet adaptation, so they are going to clash both¿

I doubt Gusty would have the gall to make a straight adaptation of Moominpappa's Memoirs so late into the series and somehow fit it into the plot of Comet in Moominland, or at least I hope they don't have the gall to do it in their 13 episode runtime.

They already referenced the story in good detail in the Golden Tail episode, they've already referenced Edward, the Muddler, the Nibling and Hodgkins, now we just need them to follow it through with something more substantial, because the show's viewers who haven't watched or read anything else of Moomin are definitely going to be wondering who exactly Muddler and Hodgkins are, and what the heck a Nibling is.

They've already used up the Ghost (or at least a character similar to it) and sent him to the aurora borealis in season 1, I can imagine that maybe they would, like, do a throwback to him but honestly who even thought about the 2019 Ghost in any substantial way after that episode? The creators don't even bother putting Emma or Ninny in crowd shots or give them small character bits past their respective episodes, so it's doubtful they'd being the Ghost back. It'd be redundant to have an episode dedicated to Moominpappa's backstory adapted into a stage play only for us to see a flashback version of it unless they really wanna go out there with it. The Joxter lacks even a peep of reference which is super weird so it'd be double weird to bring him in with Muddler and Hodgkins who have been mentioned, like, who the hell is that guy?

If they want to bring in Moominpappa's Memoirs in a way that feels more natural for the final season of a show they should probably just adapt the epilogue where they have a big family reunion, perhaps interweave Moominpappa's character into it and make him proactive in seeking out his old friends for the adventure and we'd get the adaptation through his reminiscing while the end of the world is ongoing, I think that'd be neat.

You could even sprinkle in a little heartbreak and say he's doing it for a proper goodbye because if they did in fact make Moomins and the Great Flood canon then that would make Moominpappa abandoning his family for years canon, and that could extend to him abandoning the Oshun Oxtra without warning because something something he was too selfish and he gets character development when he realizes how self-centered he's been and tries to make up for it.

Perhaps that would be the B-plot with the Moominparents instead of them staying at home waiting around like in the book while the kids go off on their mountain-trotting adventure.

Honestly I just want Sniff's character arc to end with him finding his proper parents who care for him along with getting the cat he adopts in Comet in Moominland. Everyone else has been very rude or disregarding him throughout the show, that was even his main thing in season 3, so it would mean the world to me if he just. Gets a Happy Ending.

What I'm most worried about in an adaptation (adjacent) of Memoirs is the infantilization of the Muddler, everything else is either already gotten down by the show (Moominpappa's character) or difficult to mess up unless they're actively trying to (Hodgkins and Joxter's characters) but Muddler........ It's already a problem within the fandom and we know Gutsy and Moomin co. do cater to the fandom quite a bit. Maybe it's just that he's my favorite character ever but I am. Worried about him. Especially considering characters like Sniff or Toffle.

But like, yeah, you can do alot with Moominpappa's Memoirs but I doubt Gutsy writers have the imagination or brain power to manage it alongside a Comet in Moominland adaptation some the likely adaptations of the comics or original plot episodes. That episode based on Moominvalley in November is the most egregious thing they've done in the world as an adaptation and I hope they don't stoop down to that again but, yeah.

It really sucks that the showrunners weren't sure if they were gonna get past season 2, they could've done alooooot better with the show's plot and character arc structure and I'm sceptical about the quality of a simultaneous Comet in Moominland and Moominpappa's Memoirs adaptation for the final season. But we'll see.

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half-jokingly tweeted this when we found out the episode title and uhh guess she is 😅

my theory so far is that she's jealous of the seahorses (or, er, moomintroll's attraction to the seahorses) so she gets turned into one (hobgoblin magic maybe idk) like how she gets the fucked up eyes in ffm, but ofc ends up regretting the decision and ultimately learns to love herself as she is

I can 100% see moomintroll saying this quote too:

or something similar

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ok when they announced s4 they said this about it:

"Season four will culminate in a thrilling ending as the beautiful valley faces its greatest threat yet – inspired by one of the most famous storylines within the original Moomin books, a comet speeds towards Moominvalley and nobody knows what to do. Only the kindness, acceptance and unique sense of humour of the beloved Moomins can save the day."

and that phrase "culminate in a thrilling ending" is very reminiscent of darren's language describing the special, so maybe it will be the end to the comet arc...? but then I wonder if they'd have planned it that early/were so sure they were gonna get the special that they could end s4 on a cliffhanger 🤔

ohhhh now that we've got some sort of confirmation of this special though I'm so curious as to how they're gonna end the entire series..... will they go the home & family route and have moomintroll surrounded by loved ones in the valley, or will they have him venture out onto new adventures (with snufkin..?)? sooo intrigued 😆

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first pic is just from a post of mine from 2019 when we were theorising about season 2 - moomin falls in love came up then and I was a bit obsessed with thinking about how they could adapt it in this new series.

and now, theorising for season 4, la goona has once again been brought up... and I realised that in his video, when he was getting into the snork voice, chance said "here's snork, and you're really strong" who's strong??? how about a literal strongman, emeraldo!!!!! everyone's favourite egg-shaped guy!!

ofc, this could all be completely wrong, but it's fun to theorise!

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so the first strip aunt jane is in is moomin and family life, but there's also the lars comic moomin and aunt jane (though that's specifically a christmas one and iirc she doesn't feature much in it so I can't see them using too much from it). with her character being this rich stick-in-the-mud, I can see them easily doing something completely original with her or just sticking her into pre-existing plot lines (she also reminds me a lot of the hemulen aunt so perhaps could be influenced by that character).

I can definitely see an episode with her ending the same way as family life does though, with the moomins tellling her they're fond of her and thereby softening her so she likes them, too.

I do wonder how they'll handle the relation though???? cause it's implied in the strips that she's moominpappa's relation (he does call her 'dear aunt'), but ofc in the series he's always harping on about how he's an orphan - will this be a long-lost reunion thing? maybe the whole premise is that she's vetting them to see how "worthy" they are of her inheritance? I'm interested to see how they introduce her~

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I assume season 4 will be similar to season 2 in that the Comet storyline will be hinted at throughout the first half or so episodes (like how Moominpappa at Sea was foreshadowed in s2) before they actually get into that plot for the last episodes...? Or maybe the characters set off on their journey at the start of the season and, like, encounter separate stories each episode whilst on the journey? mmmm that seems less plausible to me tho

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reminds me of the comet

edit: ok i literally forgot that seeing the pattern of a star with a tail was literally foreboding the comet in comet in moominland.... they’re totally doing that in season 4 👁️👄👁️ or possibly a feature film but s4 should be coming next year so that seems more likely

oop another edit:

Suddenly the silk-monkey began to laugh. ‘Look!’ she said, ‘those funny sea-gulls think they’re embroidery. They’ve just formed themselves into a big star!’

‘With a tail!’ exclaimed Moomintroll.