#naditza

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Edo & Ciro

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Mare Fuori 1x03

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Nicolas e Valentina ❤️ ph: Ivan Silvestrini

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Ciro Ricci came by and stole my heart.

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Filippo e Naditza ❤️

(Mare Fuori)

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❤️Nun te preoccupa’ guaglio’, ce sta o’ mar’ for’

Ce sta o’ mar’ for’, ce sta o’ mar’ for’

Arret’ ‘e sbarr’  sott’ o’ ciel’  ce sta o’ mar’ for’

Ce sta o’ mar’ for’… ce sta o’ mar’ for’ ❤️

[artemideaddams]

Unpopoular opinion Mare Fuori but I don't find Naditza's storyline in season 2 boring or not interesting. Was I satisfied with how this storyline was narrated? Not really. But this has a lot to do with the first part of seasons two being full of situations to dealt with, giving fews space to lots of the character's personal conflicts who weren't about life or death matters, than with Naditza's own storyline.

I think it was a storyline with lots of potential and subtexts that could have been told better. I would have liked the show to get more in depht about some things and thematics that were accenated but not really explored. The choices of not exploring a lot them made seems some of her choices and attitudes irrational, while in reality, even if sometimes THEY are irrational or at least impulsive (hey, we are speakimg about a teenager with a difficult past in some very difficult situations, of course sometimes she's irrational and impulsive, esp when ut comes to the way she acts toward a) her feelings b)her family) but they make SENSE with her character's psychology, for the bits that we are given about her past and psychology in that season. The problem is we are not given LOTS of introspective moments about her characters, and the one we are given are kinda rushed, so they are like if you'll understand them you'll understand if you don't you will think her actions are childish, selfish and bad writing. (There are also another discourse to be made about the fact that when a female character made selfish or impulsives decisions without the writers giving her an hour-long monologue about the justification of said decisions, it often get called bad writing without even trying to understand WHY the character made those decisions, but when male characters get selfish or stupid decisions there are often lots of fan-made explications about the psychoanalytic reasons behind those decisions why those weren't, in fact, selfish or stupid decisions at all, but the best decisions the character could have made, even when the writers esplicitely say that Male Character 101 was, in fact, making stupid and selfish decisions. So let me write paper-long post about the psycho-analytic and psychologic and sociocultural reasons behind every impulsive and bad decision made by every impulsive female character in every bad TV show. I deserve it. As a threat. As a compensation.)

I've seen lots of people saying that in S2 her character revolved only around her relationship with Filippo and I don't really agree? I mean it is a critic that you could move a bit more to her arc in S1 (even if she still was a third dimensional and complex character in S1, I mean a bit stereotypical but all characters in Mare Fuori are a bit clichè at the start, the good-writing of this show isn't in writing characters that are not clichè but in exploring and evolving them giving them a psychological depht unusual for said clichè) or maybe S3 (that I still have to watch, but I've seen some scenes and spoiler that made me go meh).

I think in Season 2 she gets her own motivations and inner conflicts, and even if a third of her screen time is about the relationship's issues between her and Filippo, and another third about her trying and failing to blend in Filippo's family (and the last third about her relationship with her own parents and theirs aspectatives on her), all theirs relationship issues reveal more (for the ones who care about analyzing) about Naditza's own issues with herself, her family, her insecurity than about Fillippo's own issues (which is good since Filippo already completed a narrative arc in season 1 and kinda resolved lots of HIS personal issues in that season). This is kinda confirmed in-show by Carmine, when he to help Filippo solving his and Naditza's relationship he made parallels between his own (Carmine's) and Naditza's situations and family dynamics, saying that they don't feel like they deserve good things (or that when good things happened to them something in exchange is asked) because they are "born in defeat". Of course theirs situations are different, because the social stigma about Naditza's people is stronger and the criminality they live under is a consequence of this social stigma and sistematic discrimination (I don't think there is an USA american parallelism for understanding how much Romani people are still systematically discriminated in Italy and how much casual discrimination and slurs tiward them are considered accettable-even by people who would not ever dreamed about using specific racial slurs toward others minorities because they thought of themselves as progressist people. I think Mare Fuori nailed it very well, despite its somewhat problematic and still stereotypical protrait of Romani people and lack of actors with actual, real Romani heritage) while on Carmine situation the social stigma his family is under is a consequence of their criminal life, inheredited from fathers to sons to wives like a wedding ring, and not the opposite. I think the show knows the difference because we get to know Naditza first through the social stigma her and her people are under and THEN we are shown the inner mechanism of abuses that exhist in her own family. While on Carmine we first are show the toxic dynamics that exhist both in his family (f as in: nuclear family) and in the way his Family (F as in: criminal "family") interacts the others that live in the streets of the city. And then we are shown the way him being born in one of those families influence negatively the decision of the judge in regard of his process.

Still, both Carmine and Naditza, for different reasons, felt alienated both by society due to being born into theirs families and by theirs families due to not believing in theirs same principles (Carmine) /cultural norms (Naditza). Which is a sadly common situation, but also a complex and more sad feeling than both young people who feel alienated by society but loved and accepted by theirs families or abused by theirs families but not discriminated by society can't full understand at least it is not explained to them. They are failing the aspectative that theirs families had put on them but for society outside of theirs families who they are will always be defenied by theirs families, and hated (Carmine) or discriminated (Naditza) for this- so coming back to theirs families (Naditza) or to theirs families' codes (Carmine) at one point, after all the failed tentatives and decente, almost seem like the easy and sensible choice. Even if those family will limit their freedom in being who they feel they are/could be/want to be. It's a vicious circle.

In the case of Naditza, the ethnic/racial factor make it all more complicated, because for Carmine it's more easy, psychologically, to "betray" his family's way of living (I say it's more easy psychologically, because he isn't shown to have lots of conflicts about that, he's sure of what and who he wants be since episode one, of course getting out of it in pratical it's more difficult), because he is disgusted by it and by the way his family has apways lived, while for Naditza it means also betraying her ancestry and heritage, the heritage if people who suffered lots of persecutions, and trying to be accepted in a group of people that yes, could give her what her family won't give to her, some things her family could not give (opportunities, music lessons, money, nice dress, an easy and privilegio life) and some things her family they don't *want* her to have (freedom, instruction, a life not limitated by her sex and by the pressure of marrying and having children at seventeen years old) , but it means also accepting of first being helped by and then being part of a class of people who more or less openly [dispr3zza] people like her, and even if they will make an exception for her (and they will, because she's talented and she is learning the right way to act and dress in the places od the people that matters, so they will forget who she is and where she is from or using her background only as an inspirational exceptional story-in the same way white people are racist toward black people but they held high "black excellences" as an example or reason of pride for theirs countries) they will never not be racist toward people like her, people who are of the same heritage than her and have her same background but weren't gifted with the same talent as her or the same opportunities. And this is obviously cause a conflict in her- you can see when the little Romani girl asks her "who are you" and she answers "I don't know anymore", or in her eyes when she tries to get her father arrested and ask from help for random people who help her because she's dressed as a nice rich girl but then start to insult her father using slurs that were used toward her too, and she understamd that if she wasn't dressed in that way and wasn't temporarily affidated to a rich family those people who now are helping her in her plan would have being insulting her in the same way.

Filippo didn't understand this about Naditza, he understood (after a season, btw) the social and familiar and cultural pressure Naditza was under, but he thought all of this would be resolved by him, or better his family, "saving" her, integrating her in theirs dynamics, which is bullshit.

And unfortunately lots of viewers seem to think the same things, but differently from Filippo (whose whole characterization is being yes a rich privilegio boy who don't know lots about the real world, but also a rich privileged boys that after making a dumb fatal mistakes and ending up up jail is trying to UNDERSTAND said world and its people, with some incomprehension and mistakes, but still the desire to do better, which is why after a fews episodes in season one is no more unsofferable- and even when he is, his part of his characterization necessary to made him grow up from that) they don't try to see the motivations behind Naditza's apparently impulsive and incoherent choices. Most viewers don't have a Carmine to explain those motivations to them, maybe.

So i'm going to be the Carmine of the Tumblr Mare Fuori fandom (even if I think the twitter fandom would need a Carmine more, as usual) and post this on defense of yet another underwritten-but-not-so-underwritten-as-people-think female character who get accused of the crime of being impulsive and acting selfishly or irrationally or entitled when her actions are caused by legittimate and complicated inner issues (are you all noticing a pattern amongst my fav female character? I don't want to discover what this say about me, tho. Except that I have a better taste than the twitter fandom, obviously.)

[artemideaddams]

Sorry I know that being invested in the main characters is not cool especially if the main character is (literally and metaphorically) a virgin who can't drive, but I'm weak for the dynamics between unsofferable protagonist who believe they have just being put in the wrong story when THEY are the ones who are causing half the drama of the story, his best friend who wants to be some random kid but he is actually always at the centre of some criminal wars, and the girl who is way too cooler to be the protagonist's girlfriend and putting up with his shit, but also it's okay that they are together because they are both music genius.