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[sopordeficiency]

Strider Eyes by Hussie

thank you very much!!! <3

[spaceraceart]

Gonna send you this observation I made a bit ago about deltarune and hmstuck

Spamton and Jevil are totally the aspects Hope and Rage

Hope: angels, yellow, promises (deals), opportunity

Rage: clowns, purple, "true" reality, anarchy

Both also have themes of dealing with their beliefs on their reality

Now whether Toby was conciously drawing from Hussie, who knows

yeah i dunno about hope! hope is definitely appealing in some ways for spamton (the angels thing is really tempting...), and i do agree he and jevil have pretty opposite ideas when it comes to reality, but hope just doesnt have enough overlaps with spamton’s personality/themes in my opinion.

(fuck this got long asdghasgdjh)

hope has a lot to do with positivity and sheer belief. believing that everything will be okay and that anything you believe in, you can make it happen. that definitely can apply to spamton in many ways, with how he seems to believe in some sort of higher power, and believes that with the NEO body he can do pretty much anything he wants. but spamton's want for a better outcome seems more tied to personal power and agency than some sort of moral high ground.

a lot of spamton’s story revolves around him being pushed down in some way, and him wanting to get better - get more power - as a result. i think thats more tied to life than anything else.

another thing i like to think about when classpecting is how the opposite aspect applies to the character, especially when you consider the class. from what i remember about thieves, they tend to lack their aspect in some sort of way, making them want to seek it out. think of doom, life’s opposite. spamton’s current situation is very doom-y, suffering from homelessness, a lack of friends, literally restricted and controlled, etc. and is literally trying to steal a better life for himself. meenah, another thief of life, is a good example of this, albeit with a much different situation of course. she was destined and restricted (doom) to a life of servitude to her people, and so she ran away to do what the hell she wanted (life). a big simplification of course, there’s a lot of nuisances to life and thieves but yeah!

another thing, i completely forgot about this, but i did an edit to my original post on spamton's classpect bc i suddenly realized he has such a big emphasis on health and healing! the f1 for help thing, the heal deal move, even fried pipis, etc.

as for jevil, yeah i can definitely believe in rage. i havent analyzed his character much in comparison to spamton lmao, but he seems to pretty much match 1-to-1 with most things i know about rage. chaos, anarchy, tearing down belief. of course, jevil may or may not be a callback to the general idea of homestuck clownery, so this definitely isn’t a surprise heheh

(and remember, this is all my opinion! of course i would like people to agree with my classpect ideas for spamton, but if you don’t, i dont mind at all! go nuts!)

[ardenttheories]

So I've been thinking alot ab mythological roles. In comic, theyr asigned to characters to represent their intended growth and who theyr suposed to become in the alpha timeline, and this is known due to the nature of paradox space and time shenanigans. So when we try to claspect ourselves, what are we suposed to base it on? We cant know who we will become, and atitle that represents all of ourself just isnt posible. Everyone has diferent tests but no one seems to be asking that question directly

The point of a Classpect is to challenge you. It’s supposed to be difficult. It’s supposed to push you. You’re not meant to go into a Classpect and find it easy peasy; there’s always some form of difficulty, some block, that you have to overcome. So, I think, the first way you can help figure out your Classpect; if it sounds too easy, if it sounds like that form of growth would be a sinch for you - it’s wrong.

Classpects challenge you in order to make you the very best you you can be. It’s somewhere between the Ideal Self and the Perfect/Ultimate Self (though very much not the way Dirk explains or understands it). There is a specific path you can go down, a series of awarenesses that you can uncover, that help you realise who you’re really meant to be. So, some of Classpecting is also just trying to think ahead to who YOU want to be, but also what you think the BEST you could look like. 

There’s no 100% quickfire way to figure that out - because, you’re right, we’ve got no idea who we’re going to become, and thinking about our ideal/best selves isn’t exactly easy - but you can do it through a lot of self reflection. Figuring out what your flaws are, where you struggle as a person, what your strengths are; they can all be used to figure out what you at your absolute best would be. You can then reference that against the various Classpects, and especially how people analyse them - because a lot of us do include what the struggle point for any given Classpect would be; that thing you have to overcome - and see if that struggle would actually be difficult for you. Would that challenge make you rise up as a person? Would it benefit you?

You can also base it on what you already know about yourself and your current personal journey. You’ve been growing since you were a kid, changing who you are in little ways, being affected by different things; Classpects take into account all of this. 

I very much subscribe to the theory that Classpects affect your homelife and your upbringing. Your Classpect comes first - even before you’re born, your Classpect is there as an inevitable sort of thing. It details exactly what path you’ll go down as a person, be it to become a True, Realised, or Failed Player. You can pretty much always track these paths and the similarities between Players via joint experiences and joint struggles. 

This is the sort of thing we detail, too - or at least that I try to include in my analyses. This is what a Player will look like before their awareness; this is what a Player is likely to act like and struggle with. This is probably the easiest way to help figure out your Classpect, so long as you’re comfortable with the idea of self reflection; looking back over your life and seeing if it lines up with the explanation of a Classpect pre-awareness. 

To take myself as an example? I’m a Page of Heart. I know this because, throughout my life, I have had significant struggles with Heart (self identity, impulsivity, relationships), and I had a definite lack of it at one point in time (ending up doing a lot of the “trying to act caring/empathetic but often being overemotional” and “being passionate to the point of obsession” stuff). And I know for a fact that, still, in my attempts to be kind and caring, I can be... very overprotective and a little suffocating. 

On top of that? I’ve definitely been exploited via my emotions and empathy (something I only realised more recently through Classpect-based self reflection), and I have a tendecy to overshare with people who aren’t technically close enough for it. I know for a fact, too, that my emotions can get wildly out of hand. 

Therefore, a lot of my growth is about learning Heart until it becomes natural, and about an eventual sense of balance between the lack and the extreme. I already know I’m getting there. I’m getting much better at connecting to people emotionally, and I’ve got a knack these days for figuring out peoples’ identities (which can be something as small as guessing their favourite animal/colour first try and as large as working them through their Classpect journey). 

I know this is my Classpect because it fits not only what I’ve been through, what I know I’m going to struggle with, and the concept that it’s actively going to challenge me, but also because it hits this note of who I see and want my ideal self to be. 

This is why tests are great, but don’t always hit the mark. I’ve been asked a few times to make a test of my own, and as much as I’d love the idea and have put some thought towards it, a lot of Classpecting is self reflection and thought. It could help to narrow down the potentials, but it would never be perfect - especially since there are some Classpects (such as the destructive or lacking ones) that might appear on the surface as a completely different Classpect. I’m not sure how to accurately make a test that takes into account these little nuances. 

So! For a TL;DR:

We can still understand Classpects the same way they’re used in Homestuck, and I think in a way it’s better to view them like that. Your Classpect defines you, is you, and therefore you can use what you know about yourself, your struggles, and your best self to figure out which Classpect best aligns with you. If it seems like it’d challenge you, if it hits a lot of notes for things you’ve been through, and if you think your ideal self is what the Classpect’s end product is? Chances are, that’s your Classpect - and has been all along.

[clonerightsagenda]

captorations yeah, it's been borked for a while.

pianissimoforestcat Yeah it's been down for months, even before flash left the face of the earth

Why should we, the media group that bought this webcomic presumably with the intent to monetize it, bother making sure people can watch one of its crowning flashes

captorations the scratch took my fucking bones. can’t have shit in the medium

broke: scratch woke: bone erasing juice

[ardenttheories]

There are two questions in the extended zodiac quiz that correspond to each set of aspects, and it's true that it's more likely to get space or time, but that's only in the case of a tie. Also the placement of the aspects on the wheel is important and the fact that you got time when you're heart tells me that you probably tied with heart and light

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised by a tie between Heart and Light. This entire blog is evidence that there’s Light in this bad boy; I literally cannot shut up about topics that I’m obsessed with and I have a deep desire to understand them more than anything else in the world.

The quiz probably doesn’t have the capacity to figure out that it’s because I’m obsessed with them that I collect and retain information about them. I don’t want to know Everything; I want to know Everything About Homestuck. 

So, slipping into Time makes the most sense when it doesn’t have that nuance. That actually helps to figure out why the quiz is Like That a lot. I definitely noticed they were a bit obvious about which questions connect to which Aspects, but not that the placement on the wheel can also help you figure out why you would’ve gotten Space or Time in a tie. Thank you so much for that info! I definitely want to look into that more when I have the time...   

[ardenttheories]

pianissimoforestcat replied to your post: “Is there an easy way to classpects oneself? I've always had a lot of...”:

It's even more ironic that you then switch to Page of Heart

I am nothing if not inconsistent and Bad At Understanding Myself

[ardenttheories]

Oh shoot I forgot 👊

👊 i want to smash your face in

EYYY!!!!! I love this one so much, I have yet to stop giggling over it-

[ardenttheories]

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💚 i’m a little jealous of you 🔊 i’m glad i started watching you 💬 i wish we would talk more! 👏 everything you say is great wha

Hwhwhw- why jealous? All I do is ramble a lot on the internet cus I have No Self Control (TM) [which, tbh, if you ever have theories or topics you also have No Self Control over, you can always @ me in them because I eat that stuff up,]

I’m glad you like following the blog!! ;w; And tbh I love follower interactions.... I’ve seen you pop up in the notes a few times and it’s always been really nice seeing your url!! I recognise it now :3c