if you would like to share your thoughts about mingi being empathetic i would love to hear it 😔 (i 100% agree with you justice for our boy)
Hii okay sorry life has been a lot and my brain has been mush so it took a minute to form some words 😭 I'm also trying to find the right way to phrase things and detach myself from this because I see a lot of myself in him tbh and also I would like to cover him in bubble wrap and give him hot chocolate.
This whole thing about Mingi not being empathetic—I mean honestly I just don't get it. I was watching his Counseling Center live this week too and I don't see how anyone can watch things like that and walk away feeling like he doesn't care about others, just because he doesn't uselessly coddle you ig. And it's not just that one live tbh I always see clips of him just dropping insane wisdom and poeticism on his lives and like idk. It's just genuinely good advice and it's so clear that he's trying to understand the perspective of the other person too??? He actually reminds me a lot of Yoongi in this respect, do other people not see this!!!!
Anyway, even in the first episode of the Ateez+ episode when they discuss Wooyoung's question about youth, Mingi is the only person who really talks about the concept at length and what I find more fascinating about him—is the only one who thinks about life from a broader perspective, taking into consideration that other people exist. I did love hearing what the other members had to say, don't get me wrong, those are good conversations to have too, but since we're on the topic of empathy, I think that's relevant to point out.
Because what exactly do people think empathy means? It's the ability to understand what another person might be feeling. So again. WHERE is this coming from??? I don't know if maybe things just get lost in translation and that's not what the members were actually saying but then they really should fucking get on that because it's not like this is the only time they've said that. And then fans hear that and just take it at face value without thinking about Mingi's actions and run with it.
Everyone keeps creating this false dichotomy between “logic” and “empathy” as if that means anything. That's not how life works my dude. Ik MBTI is really big in Korea but that's not a scientific thing first of all, and also everyone kinda has traits from all ends of the spectrum, so this whole Mingi being the only T-type versus the rest of Ateez is just a little othering imo.
I also think it's amazing how logic always seems to exclude empathy but so called empathetic people never seem to have their ability to make logical decisions questioned. Sounds like a load of bull crap to me. I do wanna clarify that I'm not putting Ateez or Atiny or anyone on blast lmao I love all the boys and have had great experiences with the fans, I am talking about this very broadly.
Because here's where it gets personal. A lot of the shit Mingi gets reminds me of things people have said directly to my face my whole life too. I know now that I'm autistic but I spent most of my life not understanding why people kept misinterpreting the things I was saying. The stereotypes of autistic people being logic driven and lacking any emotional skills—be it an understanding of their own or of others—are old and exhausting and very much alive and kicking. The very foundation of our society and the lens through which we view morality and basis on which we judge people reeks of ableism. Time and time again people have said TO me that they're surprised when I hear them out and give good advice and make them feel better because ig telling someone you think they're a bitch after they just helped you out is a super empathetic thing to do.
Clarifying yet another thing—I am not diagnosing Mingi with anything. It is possible for ND and NT people to share traits. Like, would I be surprised if he got some kind of an ADHD/Autism diagnosis? Absolutely the fuck not, but it's also not my place to armchair therapise a guy I've never met lmao. And it shouldn't matter whether he is or not, because we don't get to pick and choose which people we want to enforce garbage shortsighted meaningless neurotypical standards onto and who gets a pass.
And that's the problem. That's where this all stems from, in my opinion. Mingi doesn't express himself the way people want him to so they just dismiss all the ways in which he does. Usual societal norms dictate that you always be “nice” and “accomodating,” but turns out there are very very narrow standards for this with a whole bunch of asterisks because when have any of you ever been this way to autistics lmao.
So when Mingi “fights” with his members, which could just mean basic communication coming off as confrontational, in an effort to resolve issues and move past them and actually find a solution, it's a bad thing. I think he even said in his interview with Hyo that he wants to hash it out so he can figure out what he can do better next time. Again. Lack of empathy WHERE????
And this gets spotlighted meanwhile him and Jongho consistently saying that he looks out for the youngest the most, gets sidelined. When he heard that the younger members tend to struggle from others in the industry his reaction was to go out of his way to take care of him and make sure he feels comfortable, because he's a kind person. And we've only ever heard that about Mingi, right, so please explain to me how he's the one who gets emotions the least.
Going back to the counseling live, the translation was a bit tricky in places because I think a blessed Atiny translated it themselves (truly thank you for your hard work and also KQ get your shit together) but I'm p sure there's a bit where he says ‘people look at me sometimes and think I'm a bad person right’ and it's just him talking about setting boundaries. That actually made me sad. I'm not gonna sit here and rehash the greatest hits of people taking shots at Mingi in public, because oh my god are there plenty—I just think it's ironic that the member who gets shit on the absolute most for no fucking reason and treated with the least amount of empathy is the one who gets told he lacks empathy.
I think partially it's also because he looks the part. I've heard people say he looks “scary” (not sure what they mean by that, but could be by SK standards? Unsure) and like yeah unfortunately, he's tall and broad and got foxy eyes and a deep voice and acts out on stage and I think that's the image that sticks with people the most. Ngl, having seen them live a couple times now, he does have an almost overwhelming presence and idk if this is just because I'm a Mingi bias but yeah. This is also the man who likes being called princess and is babied by those closest to him so like idk maybe people can be multifaceted, you guys.
Anyway maybe I'm getting worked up over nothing, maybe it's just these roles they've decided to play and assign for the cameras, altho personally, I feel like Mingi's been pushing back against it a bit more recently. And they also all made a big deal about Yeosang and Mingi not being compatible enough to hang out alone and they literally just went on a go-kart date so eifiddhsis who knows what goes on behind the scenes, and maybe we should all take 2 seconds to reconsider our opinions on Mingi thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
Thanks if you actually read all the way through, to offset this entire rant and to end on a more positive note, I will now briefly talk about some of my other favourite things about Mingi.
I love how he isn't afraid to be vulnerable in either his music or in his relationships. Firstly he's an incredible songwriter and producer and I adore how openly he talks about his feelings in his solo stuff. I also genuinely admire his ability to demand love from the people he cares about because this is something I've never been able to voice to my friends even though I've always wanted a bit more from them.
His lack of fear, or ability to conquer his fear and do things despite it translates over to the stage too and that's part of why he's such a force on stage. Hongjoong said that as a chronic overthinker he admires this about Mingi too and honestly same.
He's their go to hypeman for a reason. He's not afraid to fail. One of the aforementioned bits of wisdom that I really loved from him recently was when he was talking about how failure is a good and necessary part of life like truly I love his mind he is so correct!!!!
He's introspective and always trying to better himself, and he probably has the ability to take the steps needed to get there too. I wasn't around in their earlier days but I think about his hiatus and really do applaud him for making that decision, especially in an industry this cutthroat and fast-paced.
And of course I love his honesty. I'm not the first person to mention this, but sometimes it really does feel like he's unable to respond with anything but the truth and good for him. I only have patience for honest people and direct communicators and people who don't try to put on a meaningless show. Everyone should try living life at least a little bit like that.
Okay now I'm actually done yapping I love Ateez and Atiny are lovely please don't take any of this the wrong way k byeeee 🫰🏼










