Trying to look up pat’s mom and finding out that he actually has five moms one of which is achilles’ older half-sister which is devastating to me not just because they’re cousins but because that means whatever twisted alternate universe troy (2004) takes place in is right
+ How I personally see them, since theres barely any info abt them, imma take some creative liberties :p and yes, all of them are the wives of Menoetius. Idk why there’s so many different versions of Patroclus mother but..whatever
Philomela (probably the most popular woman to be seen as Patroclus’ mother). I imagine her to be a strict, disciplined and sensible woman.
Polymele, Daughter of peleus & half sister of Achilles. I imagine her to be very bubbly, generous and gentle (and mostly taking her appearance after her father ofc, also I can imagine her being VERY pissed at Achilles if she finds out that her son died bc of him)
Periopis, princess of Pherae & daughter of King Pheres. I imagine her to be compassionate & very kind
Sthenele, princess of Iolcus. I imagine her to be a bit dull, worn out and isolated.
Damocrateia, princess of Aegina, and a half-demigoddess half-Naiad daughter of Zeus & Aegina. I imagine her being charismatic, creative & expressive.
Hi!! I've seen several posts disproving the claim that Odysseus cheated (which I also 100% agree with btw, thank you so much for those), but I keep hearing the cheated in other versions? May I ask if you might know which versions those are and if he actually cheated in said versions?
My my that brings me back to another ask I had answered to like oh my gosh all the way of last year's September! You can check it out here:
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Gosh it was tough to find in my archives hahahaha but yeah we do have several myths in which we apparently see Odysseus appear willing or mostly willing although there are also some that seem rather obscure. I mean Telegony itself is not rescued today so we are not sure if Odysseus truly loved the Thesprotian queen Callydice or not and his case with her was yet another case of Circe or Calypso all over again (although most scholiasts or people mentioning it seem to mention that his marriage with her was willing).
Hesiod for example mentions the relationship between Calypso and Odysseus being mostly willing. Others as well seem to adopt that line of thought.
So apart from these women we see on the list we also can add from the accounts of Parthenius, again, the story between Odysseus and Polymela, the daughter of Aeolus that seems to play some sort of mini-scandal. Since Odysseus seduced her and stayed with her during his monthly stay in Aeolus and he even gave her some of the Trojan spoils as a gift but then he set off and left with his men and left Polymela heartbroken. Aeolus was furious but apparently Polymela's brother Diores who was in love with his sister persuaded his father to let him marry her instead.
Sounds like some sort of random excuse as to how the children of Aeolus would be married to each other but as per Homer that had already happened. So yeah here are a few
Hope that helps ^_^ Thank you so much for the compliment! It is a pleasure to bring forward these issues! Forgive me for being late to answer!
Polymele is one of the Aeolides, the children of Aeolus. According to the odyssey, she happily lived on the island of Aeolia, where Odysseus and his crew arrived during their journey home from Troy. She doesn't have an important role in this source.
However, in Parthenius of Nicaea’s version of her story, Polymele fell in love with Odysseus during his stay on Aeolia and became his lover in secret. When Odysseus departed, he left her with spoils from Troy, but her father, Aeolus, discovered her grief and was furious, and was about to put her to death, but her brother Diores, who was in love with her, intervened, and the two were allowed to marry.
Design notes for her.
When I have the time, I will draw her with color, overall, her main colors are white, blue, red and yellow.
I wanted to make her have a cloud-like body, ofc. I suppose she’s technically a demigoddess?
I wanted to also put her in Minoan clothes (just less boobs n stuff.)
Alright I think I'm going to be straight forward to what I'm about to ask, and I'm sorry if I sound like a rude person. It's just the reaction I had when I learned about it. If you get startled by it, I understand:
Can you please explain to me who the hell is Polymele, Aeolus' daughter, who saw Odysseus, fell in love with him and he ALSO DID?! (what the hell?! he loves Penelope!).
This may sound childish, but I was actually kind of sad that I read that. Please tell if it's canon to The Odyssey.
Hahaha that reminds me of another ask that I had a while back you can see here:
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Basically we talk about a bunch of post-homeric traditions that link Odysseus to some other areas or stories etc in one way serving the same purpose as other heroes before or after him that link him with offspring that became progenitors of an area. Also that being said some sources are also a bit more...questionable let's say and seem more like inspirations by one individual than actual mythical traditions although the limits are hard to find.
Anyways the specific tradition comes from a much later source than Homer and more specifically Parthenius who lived in 30s BC. He created a series of stories named "Love and Romances" (in which he claims to gather sources from other older than him sources) basically and some of them include some rather...juicy twist to the story
For this one specifically, Parthenius claims to have got his inspiration or his source from a hellenistic writer named Philetas or Philitas. The story goes as such; Odysseus reaches Aeolia, which in this version is called "Meligounis" where, as Homer also said, Aeolus was impressed by Odysseus and he kept him close to him. During his stay, according to Parthenius, Odysseus fell in love with one of his daughters named Polymele or Polymela and the two of them engaged in a secret affair during the time Odysseus resided at the palace of Aeolus. Parthenius even says that Odysseus gave her some of the spoils from Troy as a gift. But when he departed with the sack of winds at hand the girl was taken over by jealousy and she was crying among his gifts. Hence Aeolus discovered the affair and was furious and wanted to get revenge but Polymela's brother Diores stepped in and said that he was always in love with his sister and begged their father to allow them to marry hence the marriage taking place.
No, my dear Anon this is not by any shape or form canon in the Odyssey as the events are presented. In fact Odysseus informs us that the children of Aeolus were already married to each other and residing with him in his palace. Also Aeolus was later bitter or rather scared when Odysseus came back the second time because it was revealed he had angered the gods hence his misfortune. Odysseus informs us that Aeolus has six sons and six daughters and that they all are married to each other and that they feast continuously in their palace:
And his twelve children lived in his own palace, he had six daughters and six sons and he had given his daughters to his sons as wives
(Translation by me)
So it looks like someone writing some...fan edition as to why Aeolus had married his children with each other and give it a spicy twist more than anything else! Hahahaha! But no it definitely is not canon in the Odyssey. In the Odyssey we only know Odysseus stayed for a while to the isle and Aeolus gave him the sack of winds as a gift. When Odysseus's men opened the sack of winds and Odysseus went back to ask for the same favor, Aeolus sent him away because he didn't want to lose the love of the gods towards him by helping a man that was obviously cursed by them at that moment. I hope that makes sense.
