#proship rant

[poppy-primarina]

"just be normal about *fictional character*" no. never. in fact, you all need to get WEIRDER about them. ship the weird ships, write weird fanfics, become the cringe fan like the sans fangirl epidemic

FANDOM IS FOR WEIRDOS!!!!

[secret-evil-darkshipping-blog]

Can people PLEASE tag their shit properly I'm tired of seeing

Proship/adjacent dni

At the bottom of EVERY OTHER yumeship post

I have every single tag for that kinda stuff blocked yet I still see it, why?

BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T TAG THEIR FUCKING POSTS WITH TAGS MEANT TO KEEP PEOPLE THEY DON'T WANT INTERACTING FROM INTERACTING

I blocked at least 5 people within the past few minutes for ts I'm so done with some sides of yumeblr

[princesssuya]

(No hate I’m just genuinely annoyed)

Why the fuck are we advertising proship discord servers but NOT be pro-ship at all???

I get disliking lolisho but this is genuinely so frustrating. It’s hard finding a yumeship server that’s proship as it is,, ppl can’t yume with a loli or shota but I can yume with a rapist in that server?? That isn’t “proship safe”, it isn’t a safe space when you pick & choose what taboo fiction you fw.

Yume spaces in general have become so fucking insufferable even the ones that claim to be proship / darkship. Once you think there is an accepting kind space it always turns out to be bait / not accepting at all

EXTRA: I KNOW being pro-ship doesn’t meaning you have to like dark things. Proship ≠ darkship.

But if you claim to have a proship server and advertise your server in proship spaces, you’re OFC going to attract those who like dark & taboo fiction. Since that’s who you are claiming to advocate for. Fucking hell.

Like maybe when advertising make it clear that you aren’t a darkship server at all and stop baiting and pretending to be this accepting open space when you aren’t at all. It’s so weird

[stridercestous]

sexual abuse isn't harmful because it's "disgusting", sexual abuse isn't harmful because it's "perverted", sexual abuse isn't harmful because it's "sick", it's harmful because it's non consensual, it's harmful because it violates people's trust, boundaries and often bodies, and it's harmful because it happens to actual fucking people, not because it makes you feel a certain way to hear about it

feeling icky cuz of fictional content you saw is in no way comparable to the actual harm of sexual abuse

[cottoninabag]

Small rant about Spy x Scout, aka tf2 incest, be warned.

I ship SpyScout, not because of "Father son incest🤤🤤🤤🤤 old man preys on son" nah uh, I ship it because of the dynamics, the more realistic ones.

Starting off: Spy is an avoidant, he has severe commitment and avoidant issues. He sleeps with women, probably leaves em with a kid (like he did to Scout's mother) and goes poof. Right? Like if he genuinely falls in love with a lady, he just dips. He just cant do it. While Scout is the total opposite, hes a very clingy guy and seems like an anxious attachment. Do u see where Im getting at??

Whenever Scout gets too close to Spy, like, is too sappy, emotional or lovey dovey, Spy just pushes him away. It's different to when he's being sappy, because hes lowkey a hypocrite like that. And when Spy distances, Scout only chases after him, like tries to win him back by being more loving. Which yk, only makes spy distance himself more.

Their relationship would be very messy, even ignoring the incest factor, it would be all hurt, little to no comfort. Spy is an asshole who cant let himself be vulnerable, while Scout is TERRIFIED of Spy leaving him and stuff.

Realistically, this shit would NOT work out well, or be healthy just like most if not all of tf2 ships.

Ahem incest part: Spy would definitely feel guilt, how could he not? Even if he abandoned his son since birth, even if he wasnt there to watch his boy grow up, to form a father and son bond with Scout, he still feels icky about it, because at the end of the day that is still his biological son, his flesh and blood. While Scout, if he don't know, he would feel a bit weird when he thinks of Spy as a father of sorts yk, cus daddy issues, not knowing that is lowkey his dad. BUT if he did know, thats a while other story, for the sake of me I'll worry about it later.

Summary: Spy x scout is a very interesting ship if you look deeper. Avoidant x anxious attachment. And the fact that Spy wasn't there for scout to get that fatherly feeling to him, and more but its 2 am in tired,okay bye.

[lycolotl-profic]

antis seem to misunderstand what is meant by fiction being used as a healthy coping mechanism. it doesnt mean it is healthy for every individual, and it doesnt mean that it works for every individual.

firstly, coping is not always pretty. it isnt always healthy nor romantic. sometimes coping is using something that relieves the pain enough to keep pushing on, regardless of if it is actually helping. furthermore, some coping methods actually cause a stronger emotional reaction which allows for people to process and relieve pain, such as crying to sad music or movies that relate to the victim’s experiences. is it healthy to make yourself cry? probably not. does it help release the pain trapped inside? for most, yes.

secondly, what works for some does not work for others. i have many friends that vent through art, it relieves the pain and they become calm afterwards. i also have friends that have drawn vent art and become significantly worse, i have seen vent art from others that has sent me into a depressive spiral because it forced me to relive a memory that was traumatic. am i allowed to ban other artists from venting in the form of art? no. it is my responsibility to curate my internet experience, the same piece that harmed me might have saved someone else, or the artist themselves.

a coping mechanism ≠ a cure. it does not work the same for everyone who tries it, the same way some people have been saved or ruined through their own methods of relieving their pain. i would not have survived without some of my unhealthy coping mechanisms, and i would not have recovered without the healthy coping mechanisms, but the idea of healthy vs unhealthy will always be dependent on the person using it. fiction has always been healthy for me, it has never impacted me negatively and helped me recover from sexual abuse trauma in a way that my friends who did not have such mechanisms, have not. i know victims of csa who have night terrors, are afraid to shower or change their clothes, who can barely function and refuse to trust anyone anymore. yet i have met people who write the most grotesque and horrifying fiction, people who have gone through repeated trauma and who have experienced the most violating, agonising experiences you can imagine, who have recovered to a point you would never know they have gone through such horrors. why? because they expressed themselves in fiction, whether vent works or sexual fantasies that gave them control of the experience. do they want that to ever happen again? no. do they want to enact such things onto other people? no.

just because something has not helped you, does not mean it doesnt help other people. fiction is not something that brings physical pain to someone, it is not something that directly or indirectly affects others (such as how substances or self harm do), it is comparable to properly tagged and filtered vent art, as well as sad movies and music, or media depicting violence which many people also use to cope with trauma, yet do not go out and harm people.

[transkissed]

anti's are actually fucking cruel. I got told to go fucking overdose again because I said I was transage and i was into hypnosis. like I don't want to be an adult. I don't want to mature. I just want to be who I was. I'm sorry for existing I can't fucking help my attraction to shit. I'll just try to fucking kill myself since that's what people want.

[coolingrosa]

I understand the argument about how proshipping and anti discourse is dumb and how people will have insane fights and send mass amounts of hate and violence to both sides. But I also don’t like how people ignore the reasons as to why this is such a new and violent discourse. And I also don’t like how people ignore the efforts proshippers have done to improve, too.

Fandoms have been growing up. Children are still avidly in the fandom, yes, but long-lasting members of old fandoms are older. Undertale, for example, is still filled with young teenagers, but the amount of college kids I’ve met who’ve come back to the fandom is rapid. Being older means more life experience and time to realize how a lot of proship content is weird to see. Not only that, but with the influx of art commentary videos that have been published throughout the years where people condemn typical proshipping art made by the artist in question in these big videos, makes these kids growing up in fandoms have different opinions. It’s not like the deviantart days where you can easily get away with making such content. People are being called out a lot more for the things they make, and shaming the content that is disturbing. While proshippers may be mad about this, I don’t think it’s a bad thing? It’s teaching kids online what to avoid so they don’t get hurt by adults. Hell, I avoided getting groomed for years because I consumed these types of videos, and I only failed escaping this fate when my groomer began giving me the argument that proshippers use: it’s just fiction. No one will really care if you look at this stuff. It doesn’t mean anything.

I’ve heard many similar stories, of the typical proshipper arguments being used against them to sway them into making content or consuming content that they normally wouldn’t. With this, of course younger kids or even adults on the anti side have gotten more angry. Fandom culture has shifted over the years into being against such content, not only with the intent of keeping kids safe, but to keep themselves safe from the content they were exposed to as a child. Blog the great rouge is a great example of what happens when this stuff isn’t condemned- and so many children back then stumbled upon their art because big creators back in the day supported it, and nobody called them out. Nobody spoke about how children may stumble upon it on their tumblr dash, and forever be traumatized and confused by the content. You can say fiction doesn’t effect reality, but it does. It’s how groomers trick their victims. It’s how children online get traumatized.

However, I do wanna say that proshippers have also grown. While I’m against this content, I will say the use of the word and the proper tagging system has been also good. Children against such content can’t randomly be exposed as easily due to the term being used in bios to send antis away. I think people need to understand that the problem that young kids in fandom dealt with was exposure to art that wasn’t properly tagged. Artists that didn’t use the right terms to shoo kids away or to shoo antis away. I will give modern proshippers more props bc I do see extra effort in tagging their content and trying to make sure that people who are unsuspecting don’t accidentally stumble upon it. While I may forever disagree with the things they make, I am glad they too r trying to make it easier to avoid this.

Overall, efforts have been made to separate the two sides so each can live life. You can have ur opinions on such, but we can’t ignore WHY the hatred towards proshipping is so avid and we also can’t ignore the new rules and regulations that proshippers themselves have been trying to do. At least on tumblr. Understanding the angry and also the new attempts to stop where the anger came from is needed. I’ve never been for harassment, as that drains both parties. I think the best thing is to acknowledge the new changes and block and move on. It’s the healthiest way to help with your online experience.