brainmelting
ft. @realmsofinfinity
excerpt from a private conversation being saved for future reference; since it’s not primarily for an audience, i’m not explaining anything here. open for comments and debate, though.
NOT open for plagiarism of ideas (in form; content is rediscovered, not discovered).
tl; dr: i’m not trying to make sense to you. neither of us are. but if you have questions or comments, i’ll be more than happy to respond.
disclaimer: contents are personal opinions sans any filters; warning for political incorrectness.
inception at response to /evernote: chapbook 1.d/
[1/24/2016, 1:41 AM] Anushree: no no pay attention
[1/24/2016, 1:41 AM] Anushree: prayer because the action of someone's fingers knotted in her hair is unholy
[1/24/2016, 1:42 AM] Anushree: *their hair
[1/24/2016, 1:42 AM] Sumit: Action unholy? Or fingers?
[1/24/2016, 1:42 AM] Sumit: So why a secret desire to not be absolved?
[1/24/2016, 1:44 AM] Anushree: action. why would fingers be unholy
[1/24/2016, 1:44 AM] Anushree: because institutionalized/organized religion v/s innate acceptance of carnality.
[1/24/2016, 1:45 AM] Sumit: Why is knotting fingers in hair unholy? Bec. Of circumstances?
[1/24/2016, 1:45 AM] Sumit: I saw
[1/24/2016, 1:45 AM] Sumit: A hidden kindling passion
[1/24/2016, 1:46 AM] Anushree: the action mentioned is a part of a bigger series of events, not an event in isolation.
[1/24/2016, 1:46 AM] Anushree: hence unholy.
[1/24/2016, 1:46 AM] Sumit: Ohh
[1/24/2016, 1:46 AM] Anushree: bro
[1/24/2016, 1:46 AM] Anushree: how naive.
[1/24/2016, 1:47 AM] Sumit: I know that tho
[1/24/2016, 1:47 AM] Sumit: 😓
[1/24/2016, 1:47 AM] Sumit: Not saying that
[1/24/2016, 1:47 AM] Anushree: then why is it NOT unholy?
[1/24/2016, 1:48 AM] Anushree: the idea of sanctity of virginity and denial of the body+it's impulsive needs is very westernized religion.
[1/24/2016, 1:49 AM] Sumit: Aacha,in that sense,otherwise I thought if there's passion on both sides,what's the problem
[1/24/2016, 1:52 AM] Anushree: organized religion and the control it seeks to exert over members of the settlements in order to maintain a sense of placated pseudo peace by elevating themselves to a pedestal of authority wherefrom they assume power over norms by instilling fear of sin+punishment and retaining the power to absolve the masses of the same is the problem.
[1/24/2016, 1:52 AM] Anushree: my argument is live and let live.
[1/24/2016, 1:53 AM] Sumit: Wahi toh hum bhi kehe rahe the,but I see the point you're making by stating unholy,so the long exp. Was not needed
[1/24/2016, 1:54 AM] Sumit: Just got confused b/w what I believed and what I read,not brining in view the point being made earlier
[1/24/2016, 1:54 AM] Anushree: the long explanation was more for myself tbh. all discussions with me are me soundboarding.
[1/24/2016, 1:54 AM] Anushree: issok
[1/24/2016, 1:55 AM] Sumit: Toh yahi toh saara religion hai
[1/24/2016, 1:55 AM] Anushree: nope
[1/24/2016, 1:56 AM] Sumit: Creating organized form of dos and don'ts on no sound grounds and imposing them
[1/24/2016, 1:56 AM] Anushree: .......is western religion
[1/24/2016, 1:56 AM] Sumit: Or rather continuing them in a time they no longer hold validity
[1/24/2016, 1:57 AM] Sumit: Have you heard "religion is society worshipping itself"?
[1/24/2016, 1:57 AM] Anushree: actually screw political correctness; is most mass interpretations of the chief religions, christianity taking the forefront
[1/24/2016, 1:57 AM] Anushree: yes. also, "religion is the opium of the masses"
[1/24/2016, 1:59 AM] Sumit: In all sense if you talk of organized religion of today or the folk religions of aboriginal tribes or primitive one's it all stems from the innate desire to control
[1/24/2016, 1:59 AM] Sumit: Lives
[1/24/2016, 2:01 AM] Anushree: that's what it has become, like everything that starts with the desire to: >organize >settle >rationalize >explain
[1/24/2016, 2:01 AM] Anushree: i'm so feckin marxist omfg
[1/24/2016, 2:02 AM] Sumit: It brings organisation into tribe but when it loses the backing of logic and rationalisation it becomes mere rituals to be followed
[1/24/2016, 2:02 AM] Sumit: Which it almost does give it enough time
[1/24/2016, 2:03 AM] Anushree: i don't think it's the rituals that are the problem, per se. it's the professed consequences that are my problem.
[1/24/2016, 2:04 AM] Sumit: Both are,almost 2000 years,world changes,how can/ should religion not change?
[1/24/2016, 2:04 AM] Anushree: see, it has.
[1/24/2016, 2:04 AM] Anushree: also, "religion" is a broad term
[1/24/2016, 2:04 AM] Sumit: Is change not the eternal law?
[1/24/2016, 2:04 AM] Sumit: Haan wk toh hai
[1/24/2016, 2:05 AM] Anushree: NO WAIT STOP STOP. don't enter that realm of philosophy otherwise all the brainstorming rn will go downhill
[1/24/2016, 2:05 AM] Sumit: Tumhi ne kaha
[1/24/2016, 2:05 AM] Anushree: hold one one minute
[1/24/2016, 2:06 AM] Sumit: Fir ruko,brush kar aaye
[1/24/2016, 2:08 AM] Anushree: religion should change, yes, and we see two branches of the translation of this into society today: 1. there's a type of religion that is fundamentally structured by default to be resistant to "change," and i think it's because of where it's rooted: in actions, not thoughts 2. there's the other type of religion that's rooted in ideology and is therefore flexible in terms of lifestyle and actions, because so long as the sacrosanct thought is upheld, the actions don't count
[1/24/2016, 2:09 AM] Anushree: of course there's a subset on the overlap of the two, which is where everyone is confused and tried to either do their own thing or do several things at the same time; case in point: popular hinduism.
[1/24/2016, 2:11 AM] Sumit: Which is "what best suits your needs"
[1/24/2016, 2:11 AM] Anushree: and "i'm going to hell regardless of what i do, so might as well do my thing"
[1/24/2016, 2:12 AM] Anushree: no wait we don't have a concept of hell
[1/24/2016, 2:12 AM] Sumit: And its bec. Of the one fundamentally resistant to change that we saw several offshoots along the path on the same land
[1/24/2016, 2:13 AM] Anushree: we sure did, but remember that even the offshoots were OFFSHOOTS and hence continuation of the same core beliefs, if not the same procedures.
[1/24/2016, 2:13 AM] Anushree: it's like keeping the ipc but changing the crpc
[1/24/2016, 2:14 AM] Sumit: Yes, and all of them will be influenced by personal thinking and of that time,which is why take as much as you can happily endure,as much as allows you to remember God with a pleasant mind
[1/24/2016, 2:14 AM] Anushree: YUSS
[1/24/2016, 2:15 AM] Anushree: tbh i didn't know how much i'd internalized my hatred for organized religion
[1/24/2016, 2:15 AM] Anushree: i thought i could separate it from conscious thought, but as it turns out, i can't
[1/24/2016, 2:17 AM] Sumit: It's not hatred,just a feeling of "finding out that you're trapped" into centuries of careful planning to organized beyond measure
[1/24/2016, 2:18 AM] Sumit: But nevertheless, finding that out is not in itself is trivial
[1/24/2016, 2:20 AM] Anushree: oh it is hatred alright. + i'm not trapped. i think the realization that something is off is liberating (and blasphemous) because of how a routine can lull you into complacency and i get the attractiveness of that.complacency in times when your land is torn with war and strife. but in more peaceful times, there're resources available to question the source of complacency and be agitated about it.
[1/24/2016, 2:20 AM] Sumit: Simple hai,jisko jaisa Mann hai kare,only keeping in mind that your actions are not endangering any others isse zyada kya hai
[1/24/2016, 2:20 AM] Anushree: it's about how there can be no utopia. something will always be wrong and something will always be fixing that wrong.
[1/24/2016, 2:20 AM] Sumit: That's why I said finding that out is not trivial
[1/24/2016, 2:20 AM] Anushree: explain that sentence?
[1/24/2016, 2:21 AM] Anushree: and yes. we keep coming back to live and let live. tbh i see that as the most rationalized + logical + productive form of code of existence
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Anushree: not to miss the fact that the paradox of utopia is an insane propaganda in itself. i mean you set someone in chase of something that can never be achieved but seems achievable and JUST within their grasp, and they'll forget other things they CAN achieve but that will inconvenience "the system"
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Anushree: i
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Anushree: fucking
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Sumit: Figuring the existence of religion or debating about it is not trivial,can you not see why? It has taken immense amount of resources to bring us here,when we have started that,is it the luxury of everyone?
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Anushree: what did i just say
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Sumit: Padhna 1984
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Sumit: Aisa hi hai usme
[1/24/2016, 2:23 AM] Anushree: I KNOW. ORWELL.
[1/24/2016, 2:24 AM] Anushree: MARXIST
[1/24/2016, 2:24 AM] Anushree: I'VE BEEN YELLING THIS
[1/24/2016, 2:30 AM] Sumit: Enter bhi karo😉
[1/24/2016, 2:31 AM] Anushree: also the "other things" that the individual striving for utopia can achieve include self actualization and the like which will inconvenience the system because they take away a component of the society, a worker, a gear from the mechanism of society because a self actualized human will not fall for bs that keeps blinders on members of an organization (and therefore benefit the organization by imposing ignorance to major loopholes) {DO YOU SEE THE VARNA SYSTEM YET; this is why everyone can't prematurely sanyaas HOLY} BUT we forget that the organization is MADE of its members and has nothing to gain that will be different from the gain of the investors, which are the members, of which several aren't benefiting already and resenting the imposition of roles by the organization BUT Need to follow it anyway to avoid chaos SO the organization exists to protect us from ourselves but at the same time also hinders our own individual growth (hence the collective v/s the individual)
[1/24/2016, 2:31 AM] Anushree: SO IT'S ALL A PROPAGANDA
[1/24/2016, 2:31 AM] Anushree: JESUS
[1/24/2016, 2:32 AM] Anushree: IT'S TO PREVENT CHAOS
[1/24/2016, 2:32 AM] Anushree: BUT THE PEOPLE WANT CHAOS
[1/24/2016, 2:32 AM] Anushree: FUCKING
[1/24/2016, 2:32 AM] Anushree: WHEEL OF TIME
[1/24/2016, 2:32 AM] Anushree: EVERYTHING IS A CIRCLE
[1/24/2016, 2:32 AM] Anushree: MY BRAIN IS MELTING
[1/24/2016, 2:32 AM] Sumit: Capitalism and communism
[1/24/2016, 2:33 AM] Sumit: 😉
[1/24/2016, 2:33 AM] Anushree: I CANNOT EVEN RIGHT NOW.
[1/24/2016, 2:33 AM] Sumit: Everything is indeed a circle
[1/24/2016, 2:33 AM] Anushree: RELIGION IS ECONOMICS
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Sumit: Ofc,what is eco? A study of human mind. What is religion? A working of human mind
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Sumit: Do you not see?
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Anushree: no do not
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Sumit: Human tendencies drive economics
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Anushree: brain is shutting
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Sumit: Human needs create economics
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Anushree: no no no no bye
[1/24/2016, 2:34 AM] Sumit: Human needs create the need for religoon
[1/24/2016, 2:35 AM] Sumit: Economics is organisation of needs
[1/24/2016, 2:35 AM] Anushree: i--
[1/24/2016, 2:35 AM] Sumit: Religion is organisation of lives
[1/24/2016, 2:36 AM] Anushree: i'm recording this on tumblr i need it for future reference.
[1/24/2016, 2:36 AM] Sumit: Tum Jo bhi bol rahi thi hum har ek eco ke perspective me soch rahe the😄
[1/24/2016, 2:36 AM] Anushree: mahaan hain aap
[1/24/2016, 2:37 AM] Sumit: Tum baad mein iss analogy pe paper ke baare mein soch sakti ho,but that's too much from a sleepy mind
[1/24/2016, 2:37 AM] Sumit: 😄😛😁
[1/24/2016, 2:37 AM] Anushree: idk what to think that you thought that because i DO have a paper on the same next semester.
[1/24/2016, 2:37 AM] Anushree: several papers, actually.
[1/24/2016, 2:38 AM] Sumit: On what? Analogies?
[1/24/2016, 2:38 AM] Anushree: on this particular thing we discussed
[1/24/2016, 2:38 AM] Anushree: succinctly: Sab Moh Maya Hai.
[1/24/2016, 2:38 AM] Sumit: Pata nahi hum bas bole jaaa rahe the beech me ek time pe,aisa shayad hi hota hai
[1/24/2016, 2:39 AM] Anushree: also i'm going to sleep bye. barely got over with one episode of headache i don't want another
[1/24/2016, 2:39 AM] Anushree: it's called syncing of thoughts
[1/24/2016, 2:39 AM] Sumit: JALDI kyon nahi soti ho?
[1/24/2016, 2:39 AM] Anushree: wait kis time pe
[1/24/2016, 2:40 AM] Anushree: KYUKI RELIGION IS ECONOMICS
[1/24/2016, 2:40 AM] Sumit: Jab eco & religion pe bol rahe the
[1/24/2016, 2:40 AM] Anushree: i need some time to come to terms with that holy why
[1/24/2016, 2:40 AM] Sumit: Ek saath
[1/24/2016, 2:40 AM] Sumit: Shayad
[1/24/2016, 2:40 AM] Anushree: haan so syncing of thoughts













