#resurrected jon

[micenmen]

"'What gods do you pray to?' Jon asked Satin.

'The Seven,' the boy from Oldtown said.

'Pray, then,' Jon told him. 'Pray to your new gods, and I'll pray to my old ones.'" — ASOS, Jon VII

Jon Snow and Satin Flowers commission by @snoguts

[laurellerual]

Thanks for always being so kind with my asks. You don't have to make it now if you don't have the time but I had this funny idea of an art of Jon and Tyrion meeting again and commenting on each others facial scars. Maybe Ghost is also there to parallel their first meeting.

 "I believe I've frightened your wolf. My apologies."

I would love a scene in Winterfell, maybe in the glass gardens. With a strong parallelism with their first meeting. The two will discuss identity and role in society again, in light of the changes and revelations of recent years.

Jon looks like this because I'm a fan of the theory that resurrecting will have this kind of effect on him.

[imjustapoorwayfaringgeek]

more jons because he's so plain and i love to draw him it's so fun

[fedonciadale]

I have my doubts about the reunion between Jon and Sansa in the books, I think it will not be as happy as the series, in my opinion it will return more a little damaged, probably living from memories of the past, and may reveal feelings of resentment towards sansa, since she did not treat him like a brother. also, there is the fact that Jon died wanting to save Arya, she was the last person he remembered, when they tell him that his sister came to the wall, he will immediately think of Arya,

(2) only to discover that is Sansa, so I expect some disappointment on his part. I think the route to love will be more complicated in the books. I will love to hear your thoughts!             

Dear nonny, sorry if I’m going to rant about this. There is absolutely no hint in canon material of the books, that Sansa treated Jon ‘like shit’ or anything like that. There is only one quote that seems to point at this and I want to have a look at that:

He missed his true brothers: little Rickon, bright eyes shining as he begged for a sweet; Robb, his rival and best friend and constant companion; Bran, stubborn and curious, always wanting to follow and join in whatever Jon and Robb were doing. He missed the girls too, even Sansa, who never called him anything but “my half brother” since she was old enough to understand what bastard meant. And Arya … he missed her even more than Robb, skinny little thing that she was, all scraped knees and tangled hair and torn clothes, so fierce and willful. Arya never seemed to fit, no more than he had … yet she could always make Jon smile. He would give anything to be with her now, to muss up her hair once more and watch her make a face, to hear her finish a sentence with him. (AGOT, Jon III)

So, what does this say exactly? Sansa learned what bastard meant and from that moment onward, she called Jon her half-brother. Let that sink in: She learned what bastard meant and called him her half-brother. SHE DIDN’T CALL HIM BASTARD! No, she used the polite word, a word that to her knowledge describes exactly what Jon is, without being insulting. It is true, that in her thoughts she refers to Jon as her bastard brother, but so do Arya and Bran! So, she was polite, and I admit, I can imagine that she occasionally used half-brother a bit pointedly. But so did Robb! Robb reminded Jon when they played that he would be the heir to Winterfell. Nobody ever accused Robb of being mean to Jon. But he played the half-brother-card as well, if it suited him.

What do we see from Jon’s side on the other hand? Let’s have a look at a scene that is usually seen as a nice childhood remembrance of Arya.

Robb took them all the way down to the end, past Grandfather and Brandon and Lyanna, to show them their own tombs. Sansa kept looking at the stubby little candle, anxious that it might go out. Old Nan had told her there were spiders down here, and rats as big as dogs. Robb smiled when she said that. “There are worse things than spiders and rats,” he whispered. “This is where the dead walk.” That was when they heard the sound, low and deep and shivery. Baby Bran had clutched at Arya’s hand.  When the spirit stepped out of the open tomb, pale white and moaning for blood, Sansa ran shrieking for the stairs, and Bran wrapped himself around Robb’s leg, sobbing. Arya stood her ground and gave the spirit a punch. It was only Jon, covered with flour. “You stupid,” she told him, “you scared the baby,” but Jon and Robb just laughed and laughed, and pretty soon Bran and Arya were laughing too.  (AGOT, Arya IV)

Look closely at that scene (which is after all only a childhood prank): Sansa is scared, she is afraid the candle will go out, and when Jon pulls his prank she runs shrieking. What does Arya say? ‘You scared the baby’. She could have sayed: ‘You scared Sansa and Bran’. And then they are soon all laughing. And where’s Sansa? Probably still scared shitless and nobody came after her to tell her that it was all a prank. Robb and Jon probably wanted to have a laugh at the expense of their younger siblings, and that happens all the time. I have been at the receiving end of such prank and I still remember how I was scared spitless when a dark form emerged from my own sleeping bag when I was preparing for bed. I was not very amused and I still remember my heart pounding in visceral fear. Children are different about how they feel about being scared. Sansa seems to be the type who doesn’t think it’s funny at all.

So, maybe we could say, that our Starklings were all children and that they were occasionally mean to each other? This has been brought up by the ‘Sansa defence squad’ numerous times, but we should all remember our own childhood, our siblings if we have them, our friends and then look in the mirror and say loudly: ‘I never was mean to any child in my childhood’. Even if you are not Pinocchio your nose should soon shatter the mirror….

Anyway, there is no evidence that Sansa was a bully, or even mean. If you look closely even her interactions with Arya are squabbling and occasionally Arya even misinterprets that Sansa wants to help her. Their relationship really deteriorated after the incident on the king’s road, but I don’t want to delve into that.

The show had it wrong imho by letting Sansa apologise to Jon about her behaviour. I think it was meant well, but I think it is not backed up by canon. It made a beautiful occasion for them to bond (and in such a flirtatious way!), and therefore I forgive them. I do not doubt that the joy to see someone from his family will outweigh any resentment on Jon’s side - which is not there anyway, his conscious thoughts of Sansa are usually fond. I think that their reunion could be as happy and tear-inducing as in the show.

So, now, we’ve got that from my chest, let’s perhaps have a look at your other points. I agree wholeheartedly: Ressurrected Jon will be much more complicated in the books. If we take Beric and Catelyn as foreshadowing examples, Jon will focus on the task he had set himself shortly before dying, and that is rescuing his sister. Now, there will be catch, I think. He might have a problem remembering. He might remember that he took Alys Karstark for Arya at a moment, he might have problems remembering Sansa. Beric forgot about his betrothed, Jon might forget about Ygritte and only have a detail in mind, like her red hair. Since Jon probably warged into Ghost at the moment of his death, the results might be different than for Beric and Catelyn but I’m sure there will be similarities. And he might struggle with his memory, they might be warped, he might mix up Ygritte and Sansa and it will be all very difficult. So, I agree on this part of you ask as well. It will be a bumpy road and I’m not sure how exactly Jon’s memory losses will be, but that I’m sure that they will come into play to mix up his feelings for the half-sister he remembers as the perfect little lady.

I think, that Jon will mix her up with Ygritte, probably remembering that he kissed her. She looks nothing like the sister he remembers, and at the same time he will have the urge to save her from a marriage she does not want. It will be all very angsty and confusing.

Thanks for the ask!