#rossum's trinity

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Rossum’s Trinity!

A little while back, skidblast asked me some questions  about damage to and survivability of a Transformer. This prompted a discussion about Rossum's Trinity, wherein lots of people (thanks siphersaysstuff, swordshade, & barnabyhills!) offered explanations for how the organ system worked. This reblog I think has the majority of the discussion all in one spot, but you can see in the notes there is input from others as well (@colonel--dog (I can’t get your name to link, D: sorry!), eabevella, teal-mafioso, nabulos IF I MISSED ANYONE I AM VERY SORRY! ;.;)

WELL I HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS! TF Con occurred this past weekend and vangeluscentral interviewed James Roberts and asked him our question about Rossum's Trinity! tl;dr the organs are not of equal importance, but rather arranged in a hierarchy.

Click here for da interview! (also discussed are the recent issues' charisma parasites, the intricacies of the storytelling, passion for the franchise and how it's a great medium for sci fi, etc!)

The Rossum's Trinity question/background is given around the 22 minute mark and the following transcription starts at 22:42

Vangelus: Rossum's Trinity: Is there a science deeper to that or was Rossum himself maybe misled?

James Roberts: No, I think in all the instances where we've seen damage sustained to one of those three things, I think it should be apparent that the T-cog is the most disposable of those three… as MMM demonstrate, you can live an entirely happy, safe life without a T-cog. The key, though, of course, is how to remove it. So, if you're a sufficiently skilled surgeon, and you take it out, then there needn't be any damage to your spark or to your brain. So, of the three, that's the disposable corner of the triangle. Hierarchically, the next one is the brain. You need the brain, and the brain essentially translates the soul - the spark. But, as we saw in Simon Furman's era, where sparks are contained, there's contained units, and sparks are, sort of very much separate from the brain, for extended periods, again it is possible to exist as a spark, and to be reunited with your brain. And you're okay. So, T-cog, you can do without most easily. Brain, you can live apart from, provided your spark is protected, and so on. You can't do anything without a brain, obviously, but in terms of simply containing it. The spark is the one that you cannot do without. You know, if your spark's damaged or it's extinguished, it doesn't matter if you've got a pristine brain, pristine T-cog, you're dead. And that's the hierarchy of Rossum, I suppose.

So there ya go =) Thanks everyone for contributing to the discussion, to Vangelus for asking the question, and James Roberts for the definitive answer! \n/

[also wasted-disposal you are adorable and I'm glad you enjoy the discussions ^_^]

[mincedpeaches]

also drift/rodimus/magnus c'mon

Aw yessum, rossum’s trinity. (I also got this from bucket who asked “are you one of the people that ships this??” to which I say OF COURSE. Of course.)

Who would throw the other in the pool: RODDY AND DRIFT TRY TO TAG TEAM TO GET MANGUS IN THE POOL, THEY FAIL. He respectfully chucks them both in the pool at the same time.

Who is the better carer when the other is sick: Drift. I can’t decide if Roddy or Mangus has the worst bedside manner, but at least on Magnus’ end its not from a lack of trying.

Who would force the other to do extreme sports with them: RODIMUS of course. Step one is convincing Drift it’ll be good for them somehow. Step two is convincing Mangus of the same. It alway breaks down after step two, so Rodimus and Drift end up going Extreme Skydiving with Bees or whatever while Magnus watches, the disapproving but dutiful caretaker. 

Who would cook the better romantic dinner: Drift. :3 The best part of this though, is when Drift makes preparing the meal becomes a group activity for all of them. The fire extinguisher may come out once or twice.

Who would build the blanket fort in the living room: Rodimus, the poor construction of the blanket fort notwithstanding. Magnus swoops in to chastise the fort’s lack of structural support, Drift is in the corner laughing. 

Who would have the best holiday ideas: Drift! Gotta spread that cheer and good positive energy after all. (Mistletoe for everyone.) 

Who would need to clean out the other’s stuff to make room for their own: Cleaning up after stuff that Rodimus absent-mindedly leaves around is practically a full time job, even for two people. Also Mangus has to resist the urge to throw out (or at least organize by color or size) all the new age crystals and other hippie stuff that Drift populates their entire living space with.

[krinsyn]

Concept cover for Anatomica Cybertronia- fanmade anatomical atlas for Transformers =) Featuring the vital organs of Rossum’s Trinity: the brain module, the transformation cog, and the spark. Still working on the spark, not sure I’m satisfied with this version. More info. A diagram of the Empurata Victim’s Head.

[asveri]

how does the ot3 snuggle on a bed and make everyone fit this is an important question

what a GOOD QUESTION

the obvious solution would be Magnus lying in the middle with Drift and Rodimus on both sides of him. but CLEARLY. clearly this does not happen because getting Drift and Magnus to get this close is an Ordeal (at first). also, bc Rodimus is the touchy one.

unfortunately, he is also creative. or should i say. Creative.

which will result in the following:

Rodimus snuggled up to Drift on top of Magnus. which lasts for about five kliks ofc

Rodimus and Drift snuggled up while Magnus stubbornly lies on the side. Rodimus constantly trying to reach him with all of his limbs (ie kicking), Drift trying to stop him

Magnus being the big spoon, Rodimus the middle one and Drift the smallest. it Does Not Work

Drift sleeps on his stomach sometimes. Rodimus tries to lie on top of him, is instantly kicked. Magnus does not participate

Rodimus tries to convince Drift to lie atop Magnus. they are dubious, but it's not that bad actually. then Rodimus hugs one of Magnus' legs and recharges like that

(he tries convincing Magnus to sleep as Minimus but it's too much work with the armour)

and finally A MESSY PILE OF LIMBS EVERYWHERE. surprisingly, this is the most lasting solution

[asveri]

rossum's trinity for the pairing meme?

notp / not really / meh / I could / sometimes / maker, yes / my otp babbies

Who is the most affectionate?

Rodimus is definitely the most affectionate. Both Drift and Magnus (or Minimus) have to be really confident and relaxed to start it. Well, that’s when they are all together. With just Drift and Rodimus, they both initiate affection readily. Magnus took some time getting used to it, but generally they are all about comforting touches, stroking with their fields and so on. Rodimus is just - more about group hugs and tugging on them; Magnus is all about small, gentle touches, and Drift is... well, he is very reserved, especially at first. But he is very generous with his smiles and the warmth of his field, and that is enough. He is more comfortable with the other two initiating affection.

Big spoon/Little spoon?

The best option is, of course, is a sandwich with Minimus in the middle, but that does not happen often. They would recharge in a heap, most likely, but Drift is actually much better at being a little spoon to Magnus than Rodimus. Drift... is not a restless sleeper in the sense that he’s got a lot weighing on him, but he doesn’t move during recharge, while Rodimus is very bad at lying still even when recharging. One time he fell off the slab.

Most common argument?

Oh, tons. Most are about exploring this or that newfound planet or dealing with the crewmembers, etc. Once Magnus and Drift start actually siding with one another, Rodimus throws a fit, but quickly gets over it. They sort of start deliberately glancing each other’s way and acting in sync, knowing how it annoys & simultaneously entertains Rodimus.

Favorite activity?

Comfort cuddling.

Who is most likely to carry the other?

Rodimus loves picking Drift up and then dropping him, much too often and they’re just giggling stupidly. Drift reciprocates - he has no problems lifting Rodimus up. Magnus mostly carries them if there’s grave injuries or something. One time Drift carried Minimus to the berth jhfjkfgkjfg.

Nicknames?

Eh, no. Well, except for “Mags” from Rodimus, as I’ve already sagt. ...said. Drift just can’t get himself to use it.

Who worries the most?

Magnus frets. Magnus definitely frets. Drift is even worse than Rodimus those times that Rodimus convinces him to go along with some stupid plan. Luckily, that happens less nowadays.

Who tops?

Ehh, it varies, obviously. They don’t do it often (again, I often headcanon them as a nonsexual relationship), but I really love the idea of a Magnus and Rodimus team-up, working Drift into a mess. Or any two of them working together to do all kinds of things to the third.

Who initiates kisses?

Rodimus, most often, but Drift and Magnus do as well. He had to encourage them at first, but now there are even times Drift surprises them both with suddenly reaching up to Magnus and kissing him, or Magnus will sometimes lean down and gently lock lips with Rodimus, or Drift will slam Rodimus against the door and kiss the daylights out of him.

Who wakes up first?

Drift. He is very content just lying with them and simply enjoying the warmth.

Who says I love you first?

Drift or Rodimus. Generally, they would probably blurt it out to each other before telling Magnus. But I can also see Rodimus saying it often to both of them with a gentle, easy smile, so as to say that they don’t have to say it right now if they can’t, - or, actually, Drift, very quietly. Or possibly during interface (for both of them).

Though I have to admit, the idea of Magnus saying it first is appealing as well. D: Agh, I can’t decide!

[asveri]

Do you have a good Ultra Magnus/Drift/Rodimus song?

No, sorry D: I would love to have one, but have yet to find it.

Maybe someone else does? Anybody?