#s2 meta

[tonydaddingham]

i will never be over how disappointed aziraphale looks when he has a box full of plants immediately shoved in his face, and when crowley has no hesitation in offloading them all back into his car

the split second he takes in the first one to realise that crowley practically had his face pressed against the window, plants waiting at the front door, ready to get them - and himself - out of there. and all jokes of oogling his arse aside, the sudden, instant, reflexive, tight, forced smile when crowley looks at him whilst getting them inside the bentley.

i've ummed and erred over whether aziraphale knew about crowley living out of his car, but no - there is no way he didn't know. he absolutely knew. aziraphale loves trains - he could, and probably would, have taken one - but this is an excuse to get crowley into the shop and stay there. when we land on the shot of him behind the wheel, he looks so happy. not only has crowley accepted for him to drive it, a major show of trust and partnership, but almost like, following the "we both get plenty of use out of it, don't we?" line, he is so confident that he's finally secure in the knowledge that he's given crowley a home, and that home is where it's always been, where he's always belonged - with him.

[ittybittytatertot]

I think it’s canon that Wally only knew about the undercover thing bc Artemis told him/made Kaldur and Dick tell him, and while that brings up interesting questions like when Kaldur first “betrayed” the team, did only Dick know the truth? But what’s more intriguing to me is Wally being the initial third member of their little secrets club.

Like there’s something really compelling about the OG trio planning something like this together and purposefully leaving everyone else out? Perhaps Wally originally was going to join Kal undercover, but Dick decided his powers/bad acting were too much of a give-away and so roped in Artemis, much to Wally’s distaste? Now that’s drama.

[rickbisexualgrimes]

s2 “love triangle” (rick, lori & shane)

this is one of those things that often gets brushed over on the show imo so i’ll tackle it myself.

it’s obvious that lori gets a lot of hate for this situation but i personally don’t throw the blame on just one person there. tbh the reason it all happened related to rick in a lot of ways.  lori + shane slept together to cope due to the apparent loss of rick. clearly they both caught some feelings but if we take sharick into consideration i believe that shane’s feelings for lori were transference.  so that means that whatever unresolved feelings shane had for rick were tossed into his confusion in terms of lori.

do i believe the situation caused confusion for them both + caused some genuine feelings? yes.

do i believe those feelings caused confusion & created a rift between rick/shane & rick/lori?  YES.

do i believe shane wanted rick’s family since he couldn’t have rick? & do i hc that shane/rick’s relationship was an unspoken/complicated thing to start? double yes.

from a casual observer it just seems like another run of the mill ‘love triangle. yet from a meta stand point this is so much more. rick felt betrayed by them both for various reasons but took it out on shane.  meanwhile shane turned into a different person than he was post pre apocalypse. i hate even acknowledging what happened at the CDC since it had no point plot wise & was just nonsensical.  so therefore i won’t even dive into that.   as for lori, she didn’t change too wildly (other than her realizing she was pregnant) post apocalypse so there’s very little to unpack there.

it’s also important to note that rick’s marriage to lori wasn’t the happiest prior to the apocalypse. sure they weren’t abusing each other but rick didn’t communicate that well & lori pointed that out often.  another thing to note is how one of the first things we see in 1x01 is rick/shane & their relationship dynamic. 

so when we circle back to the love triangle & what it did, we get this over complicated mess. rick changed, shane changed & lori realized she was pregnant. obviously what made matters worse was rick’s denial, lori feeding his denial & shane lashing out due to both of those things.

lastly rick’s conversation with lori in 2x13 when he told her he killed shane was the final nail in their marriage. so basically no one won in that equation since shane died, rick’s old self died along with him & then lori died bringing judith into the world.

[clementineverett]

could I have some Nick headcanons pleaseeee?

Nick is part Native American, but it’s a really small percentage

Nick was totally in a band in high school

Rehearsal were often in his garage

He played the drums

Lots of Blink-182 and Green Day covers

Performed at the school’s talent show every single year

Nick and Luke have been pulling pranks on each other since freshmen year of high school

But not the kind of pranks that’s straight up harassment and assault, it’d just be doing really strange and dumb things

Like Nick would drop by Luke’s workplace to bring him a lunchbox of food or something

Except it’s not food its just tupperware containers filled entirely with ketchup

Post-apocalypse, the two were still committed to pranking each other out of tradition

The lack of resources available has forced them to be more creative

One time Luke managed to convince Alvin to participate

Pete honestly did not understand why they continued but just let them be since it didn’t hurt anyone

Their tradition stopped when Nick’s mom died

[queensofmystery]

Re: this post

# i just find it comforting that they’ve consistently portrayed joan as tolerant of sherlock’s eccentricities# only to the extent that they don’t disturb or hurt her or others# she knows where to draw the line but she doesn’t think he’s -wrong- for acting the way he does# she adjusts but she sets boundaries# it’s just comforting to me that her character is this way# and they are genuinely friends

I also want to add to my own tag meta that I think there’s a balance that needs to be struck between letting-the-asshole-genius-get-away-with-asshole-behavior and showing tolerance for someone’s eccentricities that put them “outside the norm” and cause them to be unfairly judged by wider society. Elementary has been lauded for having other characters point out asshole behavior in Sherlock that harms others, but I’m not as well-versed in this show to say whether or not it’s kept up that trend. I’d be interested in other’s opinions. I know people in the JWDB group have said a few things about Joan not speaking up as much as she used to, and I feel like that’s an important change and I eventually would love to analyze that change and why it happened, in a Doylist and Watsonian way (yes, bad/lazy writing is the bottom line, but I keep wanting to mix canon with headcanon and I’m really interested in what the overall picture shows, besides the obvious of “the writers don’t care enough about Joan Watson”).

@beanarie said:  i noticed a shift particularly after 2x04 (bc 2x05, the one with the stalking retcon, shifted a lot of things) where the writers started including a lot of misbehavior just bc they thought it was funny. mostly shitty comments about Joan’s sex life, but it goes deeper. they pulled away, a lot, from showing actual growth and change that came from pushback

and part of that is y'know authentic to being a person! no one fixes *all* their flaws!

but a lot of that is also sherlock being their darling & the character through which they live vicariously. they like these moments where they’re  making him a bad boy

[tonydaddingham]

no listen LISTEN hear me out - what if the 1941 kiss didn't happen at the bookshop. what if it happened in the bit between the zombies leaving and the bookshop. still listening? cool, well picture this - crowley throws down his hat as we see in s2, aziraphale gathers himself and says its all going to be fine - and before he can get a word in crowley's bursting up onto his feet, pacing and ranting, clutching at his hair about how it's "too late, always too late", aziraphale in a fluster trying to calm him down so he can tell him that he's safe it's all okay and then crowley just whirls around grabs aziraphale and snogs the living daylights out of him?? aziraphale is shocked and before he can even start to return it crowley pulls away, "fuck, shit, im sorry... but i just... needed to do that before- well, before." and then he grabs his hat, "c'mon angel, let's get you home", and then boom back at the bookshop where crowley's blatantly Not Talking About It, especially after aziraphale manages to eventually reveal that he saved crowley and all is, in fact, okay. and this tender-boneless-chicken look???:

that - That - is screaming "do it again. please, do it again."

[tonydaddingham]

it has taken me until today to interpret the story/moral of sodom and gomorrah within aziraphale accepting jim into the bookshop and giving him sanctuary. and in his decision to return to heaven. are you serious

[tonydaddingham]

just putting the thought out there that people may disagree with; aziraphale is not in the same place that he was at the beginning of s1. originally, he held the bookshop near and dear for a number of reasons, but dominant amongst them being possibly because it is his own safe harbour, something that is intrinsically his, a literal sanctuary for him to delight in the other earthly pleasures that he loves.

s2 aziraphale is not in that same place; not because the bookshop means nothing, but because something else - someone else - means more. he doesn't catch crowley's meaning, what the bookshop means both literally and metaphorically to crowley, but he instead thinks that crowley thinks that the bookshop is still the most valuable thing aziraphale has.

but to aziraphale now, compared to when he was faced with the threat of losing it to armageddon, the bookshop was never going to last forever, but they could. they could last forever. if he has crowley, everything else can wither away, it means nothing, because crowley means everything.