#samgladiator discourse

[give-grian-rights]

Could you help spread this! SimplySwifty is a ex crew member for Sam and has posted a doc talking about their experience. Other crew members are trying to get people to not listen to it and blaming swifty for what Sam did.

https://twitter.com/SimplySwiftyMC/status/1754780744864375201?t=P6GT67QuVJIwok0jcs1CVw&s=19

Almost forgot about posting this since I went over it all and talked about it with my friend.

I really wish that Swifty had managed to keep more of the conversations, and while I don't understand particularly extending the trust to the person they did, I cannot blame anybody for not taking screenshots prior to any major incident. It's just not something you really think about in the moment, especially not if its coming form someone you trust.

I do NOT have to imagine what its like to deal with the fall-out of any interaction with Sam, with reactions, responses and accusations from his supporters and friends (in my case, his sister??) and I know it's incredibly stressful. I'm sorry that they had to deal with him for so long, and be known by so many of his vocal supporters.

I have heard of the current claims that Sam is spreading rumors about G, but but i did NOT have the context that someone in a screenshot Swifty also shared was Sam on an alt.

I am a bit frustrated with the knowledge now that Sam is using so many alts, however, I am able to confirm that at least some of those screenshots are real. I can't imagine many people outside of his crew would know Sam's current username. The username Sam is using in which he accuses Grian of removing videos including him, is the username his old primary account had, which he used during his "visit" to the Discord I was in.

Due to my memory disorder, I'm bit foggy on what Swifty is talking about in regards to "making peace" with me and my post and iii. feel a bit weird about that. if anything ever happened with "making peace" it would've been all the way back in 2020, 2021 at the latest. Which, by the way. Sure am feeling Some Way about Sam and his crew members fucking talking about me as recently as FOUR MONTHS AGO. Like, this isn't about me, but let me fucking tell you I was very startled to see mention/reference of myself in such recent messages

Anyway. Fuck Sam. Don't work for him? Like, even if you had NO IDEA what went down in late 2020 with him, a general rule should be to NOT trust people who have had maybe over a hundred different people quit and denounce all ties with them. "all my friends leave me :(" looking ass.

Or the way Sam puts it, which is so much worse and has me questioning his intelligence, "every person i ever talked to (including children and teenagers) are horrible people and pedophiles and i fired them. they never left me i left them" like okay. thats a (PARAPHRASED) statement to make.

[ruler-of-the-universe-boy]

Thank you bunches for sending me the document! That helped me tons

Np

And a little side note for anyone here who either have little to no knowledge of the situation (which can be described in the post below) or has been keeping up with information given and has read the doc

You can form your own opinion and stick with it, but also more importantly do not harass other people who disagree with you. It's unnecessary and dismisses the main issue of Swifty explaining *their* experience with Samgladiator, which is why there are both sides who either agree or disagree with said experience explained

Another important note is that the people who are involved [or butt themselves into the drama] are mostly minors, hence the immaturity in some posts and causing more harm than good, and why things started to spiral before and after the doc was published. Kids will act irrationally, especially with internet drama were they can hide themselves through a screen, so the best thing to do is not feeding into the negativity and let kids think about their actions

Everything can be taken with a grian of salt with what's been said, so take what you can from this (or not, nobody should force you and you can enjoy yhs in your own views) and let the people who are involved in the first place resolve it themselves

[mystilotls]

Hey sorry to ask but you mentioned S*m threw Grian under the bus? In your post on Oct. 2. May I ask for clarification on what the main issue was?

It's in reference to this reply about someone not appreciating the scene in KOV.

This was proven incorrect because in a deleted tweet from Sam and Taurtis mentioning in a Livestream...both Grian and Taurtis weren't aware of the scenes they act in to "ensure a genuine reaction". So Grian couldn't have been aware about "the scene" and was probably pressured to go along with it. In an interview when said series is brought up, Grian visibly got uncomfortable and looked away from the audience until the subject got changed

[the-toast-to-be]

Tw: Samgladiator/Sam England

I will delete YouTube, I’m not scared ._.

[give-grian-rights]

While I'm entirely willing to believe what the Twitter post this is regarding is true, due to the fact that there is no evidence supporting it I am afraid I won't be sharing it as I do ATTEMPT to be responsible with my platform. I am not attempting to make Sam out to be a worse person than he is; he does a good enough job at that himself.

While I have both directly witnessed and been told and shown second-hand accounts of how Sam is. Sam taking something "incriminating" into a voice chat is something he has historically done. That being said...I'm very reluctant to accept these claims.

It's almost entirely unbelievable that this person doesnt have ANY messages that they could share, or even proof that they were friended with Sam, in a GC or Discord with him, how they met him... etc. and while I can understand if it is traumatic to look through that, it is a much-needed piece of evidence to prove they had at least SOME contact with him.

I really struggle to accept that a person could be that involved and not have even an INNOCENT interaction between them on messages. a "Samgladiator started a call on (date)" or "join vc" them talking in the same server with OP's name censored. etc.

[mystilotls]

never thought I would get seratonin from J's actor calling Sam cringe and a narcissist

[give-grian-rights]

ok what’s yhs i watched mianite way back when but lost interest in mcyt when it ended and got back into it through dsmp in 2020 what did grian do i’m scared

ok so there was a super shitty creator named Samgladiator and he basically looked at a buncha people who were either "friends" or fans of him and went "ayup you work for me no i will not pay you B)"

and then he made like four or five different rp series with them before they all left him because he called them replaceable, basically

Grian and his friend, Taurtis, were part of that crew and were two of the main characters in MOST of S*ms roleplays, including Yandere High School, or YHS.

it included uhh suicide, sexual harassment, transphobia, racisim, subtextual racisim, generally sexual subtexts, drug abuse, child abandonment, child abuse, child death, homophobia, mm that shit. did i mention this is one of the lighter series?

and all of those were viewed in a lighthearted or "funny" light and on the few occasions someone would say something that could, arguably be considered out of rp, S*m/c!Sam (maybe up for debate) would be like "Yeah? i know."

the roleplay is like. brainrot though. i genuinely got fucked up from watching it at age like . fuck i cant do math so i generally say somewhere around 10-11? and it exposed me to a lotta shit and fucked with me a lot.

it doesnt hurt for hte same reasons to watch it again now. its fine as like a jaded edgy bitch already exposed to the internet but its the fact that it was made for children and the primary audience- which S*m refuses to admit- was 9-13.

Like. I still like YHS. i can look at it fondly. Its fine to take aspects of it and work them into fanfics. the people who played most of the characters are, for the most part, super cool folks still online.

Every single person in S*ms crew, last i checked, quit and do not have any public relations with him. Grian has privated/deleted all but one or two videos that feature S*m in them, before the shit went down with S*m and what he was up to last year.

A buncha shit went down outside of the video side, with him joining discord servers of former fans to essentially mock them and force teenagers to debate him

i dont have any respect for him as a creator or individual.

his ex-friend, who is on the gaming trending page almost every single upload, racks in an average of two-three million views per video, was taking a break and on his honeymoon with his wife. the same week S*m was fighting children and telling us why we're wrong, stupid snowflakes for telling him that watching the rape torture scene he put in his minecraft roleplay was traumatizing and distressing- speaks for itself.

if i can say the words "explicit rape torture minecraft roleplay scene" and that does not ring off red alarms- especially with the knowledge that as of last summer he is saying its funny and "we're simply trying to be mean" then you're an individual i do not want to interact with ! and should not have children !

[give-grian-rights]

haha if someone starts trying to explain or tell a person “hey that creator you’re creating content for did something fucked up and you should maybe look into it and clarify you dont support it” your response shouldn’t fucking be “literally no one asked”

if i ever support (or you suspect me of supporting) someone objectively or morally in the wrong? fucking tell me. please. explain it to me. i’ve already had three childhood idols turn out to be pedos and a good handful of others who are just generally disappointments. let me fucking know.

anyway if your response to being told “hey i love that series they made too but they did bad stuff you might need to know” is “literally no one asked” fuck you

 me being concerned about finding a person who potentially is supporting someone who gets pissy at people traumatized from an explicit rape torture scene of someone commonly considered to be a big comfort creator. is. is fucking?? I FEEL LIKE BEING CONCERNED ABOUT SOMEONE SUPPORTING THAT. is fucking earned, but who fucking knows.

if you think spreading awareness about a shitty person is bad just because “nobody asked” is attention seeking, unwarranted, etc, unfollow

if you think an almost thirty year old man saying a rape torture scene in his minecraft roleplay, for his following of primarily 9-13 fans, isn’t something that should be talked about, unfollow

god fucking forbid if you you can look at the scene and tell me “no that’s funny, as he said it was intended to be, and important to have the screaming of the character being raped while his friends mock and belittle him is important for the plot, the scene with no disclaimers whatsoever, fucking block me.

i genuinely wish i could just stop fucking posting about this but i cant fucking do that when there’s barely any other fucking people willing to still talk about it. because we’re children being watched and belittled by a former hero to us. with no fucking public platform that will fucking listen to us.