#someonehelptheyogfandom

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

You’re entitled to feel annoyed about the time split but take a second to remember that the content you’re watching was edited by someone who was likely proud of their work before it was torn to shreds by hundreds of people. 

Surely a fandom this heavily invested in creativity can appreciate that you’re insulting the work of multiple people because you didn’t agree with the editing. The content creators themselves, those playing Derpulies and Skobbels and the editor who put the series together (and anyone else involved in production.)

The Trials Of Derpulies and Yogscast tags are a wreck. It’s actually fascinating to see the sheer amount of anger brought on by how a video was edited instead of what it was actually about. The fact the winning rap is another cause of grief is actually quite amusing but I’m going to put that down as an extension on why the editing is being criticised. If Hat Films/Flux Buddies had won the rap and were getting the screen time instead of Sjipos I’m assuming the anger would be the same.

Your anger isn’t going unheard but don’t expect any changes in the coming episodes due to the likelihood the complete series has been edited. The most important thing to take from this post is that this is someone’s creativity and by directing your frustration and anger and general shit attitude towards the video you’re pointing it towards them and they don’t deserve it.

The 4 angry anons you received about your art in 3 years doesn’t equal this.

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

I’ve lost two followers since that post so I’m going to assume that in none of the screenshots currently available ages were shown. I’m not using this as a campaign for Sjin and I continue my neutral stance on the matter although I’m going to criticise the current case against him.

I’m concerned that because no ages were shown in the screenshots that it was potentially never discussed. If that conversation didn’t happen it could be said that “Sjin” wasn’t aware he was speaking with minors. This is a reason of concern when you’re trying to have someone charged for crimes involving minors.

The other thing that’s worrying is how quickly everyone was to believe the alleged victims’ word over clear proof. If there were screenshots showing them stating their ages earlier in the conversation it would rule any miscommunication or obvious disregard out of the mix. Based on my empty inbox I’m going to assume that this never happened.

Let me be clear. If there wasn’t a discussion disclosing their ages the entire Sjin drama is based on “He knew they were under age. Sjin is a paedophile and should be fired and charged.” I’m not attempting to sway opinions here but pointing out a large flaw in the evidence against Sjin. If you’re accusing someone of a crime it must be proven with evidence the same way the accused would defend themselves. It’s not a matter of “He knew this. He did this. He’s guilty.” You need proof that backs up your claims that he did know their ages and that he did it regardless of their ages. The current screenshots don’t prove this and that’s a flaw.

The recent screenshot from /r/YogMods is another cause of concern where a direct attack on the /r/Yogscast moderation and Hannah was made and submitted to YogPetShame. A screenshot of a thread inside /r/YogMods was edited to include apparent instructions given by Hannah to remove anything regarding the Sjin accusations. /r/Yogscast moderator Fonjask has since proven that his thread wasn’t edited and the screenshot was forged in means of video.

When edited screenshots are submitted and being taken seriously until otherwise proven it has to say something about the issue as a whole. 

It begs the question “If now, why not then?” 

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

Question regarding Sjin

In screenshots provided was there a moment captured where ages were discussed meaning Sjin was aware he was speaking with minors? 

Having had a scroll through the caps I’ve been unable to locate a moment and this is a pretty important factor. If you have one let me know.

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

File under: Thing I’ve never considered until someone pointed it out

If you’re going to create a secondary blog to point out issues in a community don’t hide behind false principles by claiming you’re doing it for anyone but yourself. Creating hostility in the name of strengthening or advancing a community is the only way the guilty can justify their actions.

Instead understand and accept that you’re speaking your mind in hopes it will be taken on board by those who believe in your message. It’s cowardly to hide your actions behind a message of peace inside the community when all you're effectively accomplishing is pulling it apart.

You know, like how all this blog is used for is my opinion.

Not to educate or better the Yogscast.

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

I'm sorry. Is it selfish for Zoey to have to care for herself before her channel? She was stuck at home for like two months straight because of her mental health state. If they had more incentive to start their channels up again, maybe they would? You can't exactly do what a fan requests when there's no one there to request it. God forbid they swim against the tide because it isn't getting them views.

There’s a difference between criticising Zoey for disappearing from Youtube and criticising claims that her channel deserves support and attention from the larger Yogscast channel subscribers. I have no problems with Zoey stepping back and taking a break before returning and picking up where she left off. This isn’t the issue at hand nor does it have any relevance to my post about supporting smaller channels.

I have an issue with people making disappointed or annoyed posts criticising how the Yogscast treat their smaller channels and claim they’re not given adequate attention. There’s clearly an issue with viewership on their channels and the content creators don’t seem dedicated enough to their work that additional coverage is deserved. People are suggesting flashy advertisement videos pointing you to their channels and upon arrival you’d be greeted with a channel pulling small time views due to stale content or one that was deserted months ago.

Simply put to call for guest appearances (let’s call them promotional videos) for channels that have been inactive for months or making subpar content is a waste of time.

I’m all for Zoey making a return when she’s ready but it’s getting to the point she needs to decide whether she’s returning at all. She hasn’t disappeared for a few weeks due to poor health she has effectively closed her channel for half a year. She may take her time but an update video posted to her channel could clear up any confusion to its current state.

In terms of incentive the incentive to return to your employment is that you’ll receive an income and that’s the only incentive which makes people get up in the morning. She has a dedicated fan base waiting with bated breath for her return and I believe were she to return today there would be requests piling in to fill her open schedule.

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

Underyogs. Why they don’t deserve any large channel support.

Did it ever occur to those in the community demanding more focus on these members because they’re not receiving enough views on their content that it might not be an audience problem but what they’re making content on?

The main channel and other so called “popular channels” create content which they know their audience is interested in and that’s currently popular among the gaming community. While years old Minecraft is still a main feature on their channels and it still brings in a large amount of views. When they stray from what their audience has made clear they’re interested in the views will begin to decline.

When “underyogs” decide to make content on games they’re personally interested in is why they could be running into issues. Sure, there could be people in their community enjoying the videos or have requested the game but there’s a large number who wont be interested if it’s not what they’re used to or expecting as they’re a part of the Yogscast. Everyone automatically associates the Yogscast with Minecraft and when a new channel appears they’re expecting that member to have a series. It’s an unfair expectation but when you join a network this heavily invested in a game and you’re interested in poaching subscribers you’re going to have to expect it and perhaps conform.

Take Panda and Will Strife for example.

Panda has been playing Dying Light for 4 months with views declining after the beginning. The latest videos haven’t cracked 10,000 views but the videos on the recently released ARK Survival have been his most viewed in a month (due to one video but excluding that it’s 2 months.) Could this be that people are interested in coverage on new games instead of continuing a dead series?

Will’s in the same boat with Fallout: New Vegas. It’s content he’s familiar with and has an audience built upon but it’s a dated game that isn’t attracting the core subscribers from his association with the Yogscast. With views on Fallout not cracking 25,000 views in 4 months it’s a wonder why this series hasn’t been scrapped. Will had until recently a Minecraft series but it was a hardcore series which have been done to death and would have been popular years ago. Had it been another modded version it could have drawn Yogscast viewers in as it’s something they’re still interested in. It last reached 15,000 excluding the final episode 3 months ago.

Toby hasn’t cracked 10,000 views since the Christmas Adventure. The content on his channel has been rarely over 5 minutes in length with minimal effort involved. At this point Toby’s channel resembles someone making as little effort as possible to make his channel look like it’s actually operational.

Zoey, Zylus and Parv aren’t even worth mentioning with no videos in 6 months, 5 months and 4 months respectively. Yet the community still calls that they receive more attention and features on the main channel. To draw people to their channel to find it dead? What exactly is the purpose of attracting a large number of people to something that’s abandoned except for a reason to be negative towards the “popular channels” and the Yogscast as a whole.

You’re expecting larger channels to take time away from their successful channel (because they’re giving what their community asks for and scrap what doesn’t do well) to help advertise a smaller channel with little interest in changing their content to better their viewership or even give their channel the dedication it requires? At this point most “underyogs” are spitting in the face of their subscribers with their blatant lack of care for their own channel yet people still expect them to be advertised on the largest Yogscast channel?

I think you need to consider exactly why the channels aren’t promoting the “underyogs” because I think it’s pretty clear it extends beyond “they don’t care.”

The only people who don’t seem to care are the ones you’re fighting for.

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

In regards to this Sips/Zoey Twitter babble

I think people need to remember that not everyone grew up in a time where Tumblr was around and people are drilling social justice into you. The younger fandom members (say from 18 down because they would have been about 10 when it was around for me) probably wouldn’t remember a time where saying ‘gay’ instead of other more appropriate words was all the craze.

“I have algebra after lunch. It’s gay.” “Man, I hate Nick he’s gay.” “You’re gay as! No one likes cucumbers in their salad!”

None of these were ever to indicate that the thing or person was actually *voice booms from the heavens* HOMOSEXUAL but just a descriptive word that caught on and became used in sentences often without even realising. Similar to saying “LOL” in conversation. Was the meaning behind this negative and not necessarily a happy loving one? Absolutely. It was used as a negative descriptive word but that wasn’t even considered when being used by many people. It was something everyone else was doing so you did it somewhat automatically. You hear someone say something enough and before you know it you’re saying it too. 

Just like Tumblr.

What I’m trying to say is that a lot of people wouldn’t have been around when this was happening so they’re not aware this was a “thing” and could be a reason why Sips said what he said. It could still be happening and you’re aware of it I don’t know your situation or whether it’s still used. Fact remains when I was growing up this was something that happened without intending to cause harm to gay people.

Times have changed and people are sensitive when a word is used out of place. Instead of thinking about this for more than 3 seconds they decide to go on a rant on their super cool blog and demonise someone for doing something that was acceptable a few years ago. Mind you this was before people decided to grow up on Tumblr and have someone else’s sense of what is right and wrong drilled into them.

Does it excuse what happened? Not entirely. It does give what happened context though. Things like this are hard to let go even years after it was decided it wasn't acceptable any more.

You know, like racism.

If you consider what was said does it fit what I’m saying? Could the word “gay” be exchanged for “lame” or “uncool” in the tweet Sips made? “Is it gay to think Lego Worlds looks pretty fun?” because from where I’m sitting I’m seeing Sips still using a descriptive word that’s going out of fashion and not a homophobic asshole who’s sole purpose of tweeting about Lego Worlds is to upset and insult the community.

[someonehelptheyogfandom]

You know what’s a terrible idea? Asking people to confront the Yogscast during an event they’re putting on for the community using their time to ask about issues that don’t concern us. You can adore Yogscast members all you want but sticking your nose into business that doesn’t concern you isn’t something you should be doing or encouraging. 

If an “underyog” (you’re practically shoving them into the “ignored” corner with that term let’s be real) wants to be on the main channel for advertisement reasons they should open a channel with the party concerned and have a discussion. What the channels shouldn’t be doing is using the community to force hands and allow them access to main channel videos or servers.

The calls for these “underyogs” to be featured seems to come primarily from the Tumblr community who aren’t satisfied with the support these channels are given. (Need I remind people again how channels are independent? No, let’s not go down that road again.) These calls barely extend beyond Tumblr so it makes you wonder just how many people are actually concerned by this? Do people like Strife and Zoey actually want a main channel video or is this simply Tumblr believing they’re entitled to one? “Give them support” and all that.

The community asking demanding that these channels be advertised is the same as your mother barging into your workplace and demanding something from your boss. It’s embarrassing because you should have the guts to do this yourself and it puts you in a bad light for allowing this to happen. If you’re the employee you take your concerns to your boss expecting a reasonable answer instead of crying to your mother (or online community of dedicated fans) and rolling over and allowing her to demand it for you. It’s shameful. If the channel owners want something and they’re refused they should accept it or continue to discuss things privately without involving the community. We’re not here to fight your battles so you get advertisement to keep your channel afloat. You want to succeed in the Youtube game and continue to make a living off it? Your responsibility. Not ours.

At the end of the day these events aren’t there for you to take your soapbox and scream about something you have no business in. If an “underyog” decided to attend and ask these questions well, it would be unprofessional and should never happen. If the person it directly affects shouldn’t do it then you shouldn’t. The community really needs to have some boundaries set so they know when they’re being ridiculous and shoving their noses in.

If you decide to listen to this call out post and actually ask the question not only are you going to put the members on stage in an awkward position but you’re going to embarrass yourself. Do you actually believe that asking what their future plans for supporting independent channels is going to make a difference or are you simply doing it to make a point? If you really want to be “that person” then you’re free to do so but please remember it’s none of our business and you’ll earn a groan of second hand embarrassment along side that kid who asks about the return of SOI.

If they want the exposure for their channel they need to go through official channels instead of screaming Tumblr posts. We’re not their army and they shouldn’t be treating us like one. If their requests are refused they’ll have to deal with it. Attempting to force hands by Tumblr community outrage isn’t going to cut it.