Motive, and Method- How The Second FNAF Movie Nearly Made Sense.
There’s been two things that's been bothering me about the second Fnaf movie. And I’ve been thinking of them since Tdreads stream, where he tried to rewrite it.
Specifically, I’ve been thinking of the motive Charlotte has, and her method of trying to accomplish her goals.
The Motive.
In that Tdreads stream, he, Witheredcircle, and Shizuhey, couldn't figure out how to make Charlotte’s crashout at the start make more sense. They spent like 30 minutes trying to figure it out.
The solution is pretty simple, imo- have Charlotte talk to Henry, instead of random parents who’ve decided they’re gonna channel Mrs Trunchbull today. (In a movie that already has a bonafide Trunchbull later- that shitty Robotics guy!)
Why? Because, in the movie we have, we don't really get to see Henry failing Charlotte. We hear it from him, when Mike goes to visit.
But imagine getting to see it first hand- Charlotte rushes to a workroom, where Henry’s working on an animatronic. She tries to tell him “Dad- Spring Bonnie took a kid into staff only areas-” only to get told, while he isn’t even looking at her "Don't worry, Charlie. I’ll sort it out soon, once I’m done with”... idk, repairing Balloon Boy, or something. The detail of who’s in for repair doesn’t matter. Just that he’s blowing off his daughter. She knows he’s not paying attention and won’t help her soon enough. “Of course you’re not gonna help me…” or maybe she even apologises for bothering him, reluctantly.
He doesn’t even need to be backstage working (though, him being backstage means it’s shown, not told, that he worked at this location. Ergonomic storytelling!) He could just be drunk at the party, maybe with his wife, also drunk (first time really seeing Mrs Emily- and shes also a failparent! Whoo!) And they just don’t take Charlotte seriously, or are too sloshed to understand she’s not just telling them a funny fairy story.
Either way, this gives her a more realistic reasoning behind her motivation- she hates parents because her parents let her down, and let her die.
And it also gives her a better target for the toy animatronics in the third act. Because thats the second thing that bugs me, but its hard to explain without an example of it done right.
The Method.
Terminator 1 does this scenario right. On the surface, they’re not too different- both scenarios are robots hunting humans through houses. But the T-800 has a target- Sarah Conner. He doesn’t know which Sarah Conner is his target- so he searches her name in a phonebook, then goes to the houses of any Sarah Conner’s, to kill them. Understandable motive, and method to accomplish said motive.
Charlotte doesn’t have that. Her motive is clear- kill parents. But the method doesn't make much sense.
She and the toys start at a Freddy’s in a relatively rural location- no visible nearby houses when either Mike, Abby, or Ness are shown travelling there.
We then see, on the tracker, that Freddy is at FazFest. Where he is within reach of many potential parents he could try picking off, one by one. But… he doesn't. Instead saying he has other business to deal with, to some young cosplayers.
“Okay, so he passed through FazFest on the way to the house of one of the parents who killed Charlotte through inaction.” I don’t think that’s right.
I could be wrong, (my faceblind ass makes it hard for me to recognise anyone. I didn't even realise Matpat was in the first movie until my brother told me orz) but the character for man beside the carousel, and Harry (the man Toy Freddy nearly kills) are not the same guy. Unless my faceblindedness is really messing with me, Carousel man is played by Joshua Sienkiewicz. While Harry is played by Carl Palmer. If these were the same person, wouldn’t they have the same actor? It’s not like the situation with Vanessa needing a child actress for certain scenes- adults look mostly the same as they age- just with more or less wrinkles. they could have easily made Joshua look older using make up, and practical effects.
And if they're not the same character… why did Charlotte start her rampage there?
Because Harry and Margaret's house is in the middle of West Elm street (iirc the name? I do remember it’s placement on the tracker, though.) If they were any of the parents from Freddy’s who let her down, it kind of makes sense for her to start there. (Though, how does she know their address?)
If they’re not any of those parents, why start there in the middle of a random street?
“Maybe Toy Freddy started at one end, and was working his way down to the other end.” That doesn’t line up, either.
Imagine you live in a house, and you hear sounds of murder and screaming sneaking closer and closer to your house, before reaching your neighbours house? You’d call the cops, right? But there's no indication that theres any alerts of dangerous bears… except a radio advert for FazFest. Doug and his wife don't even seem too on edge when Harry and Margeret are sent to their house. They seem… confused at what happened.
Like. Think back to Terminator. The T-800 finds a Sarah Conner. He knocks on her door. Shoots her once she answers. And then he leaves the area. Making it harder for the cops to intervene. They can only really attempt to prevent further murder, once the pattern becomes clear.
Freddy and Bonnie aren’t that fast. If they’re hitting up house by house, all in a row- the police would’ve got there to investigate a potential bear attack, or spree killer. Or at the very least, there'd be a warning over the radio- maybe one that Vanessa could've heard, in the car?
So he’s not systematically working his way down West Elm street. So why this house in particular? As laid out above, I don’t think these are the same parents as who killed Charlie through inaction. So why them?
And this only gets worse with Bonnie! Bonnie’s victim is too young to have been a parent when Charlotte died. She looks like she’s thirty, and has a kid around Abby’s age- plus she’s the wrong gender to be the black dad who was at Charlotte’s death, anyway. So why did Bonnie target her house? What makes her so special?
Again- it can’t be a systematic door to door death march, or the above problems would also apply here. Why her?
This situation doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t make sense that Michael can think “Half the town will be dead by morning” when these toy animatronics only manage to get near Abby’s house (Abby and Mike's house is within walking distance of Harry and Margaret's, as well as Debbie and Lorraine’s houses. Off topic, but it makes Vanessa’s car breaking down less serious when you realise she’s within walking distance) And the toys only manage to kill one person on their rampage- that dumb robotics guy- over the course of at least an hour (from when Abby arrives at the Freddy’s location during the arvo, to when it’s full on nighttime)
These toys bum around and do fuck all until the Classic’s take them out!
The method doesn’t match the motive- or make any sense once you think about it.
“So how would you fix this Summerly?” By doing what I suggested in the first section, and bringing back Henry. More specifically, having Henry be the first shown victim of the toys.
It wouldn’t be that big of a change- Mike can still use the tracker to sight where Bonnie and Freddy are. And he can get some false hope, while talking to Vanessa over the coms. “Ness, this’ll be easy, they’re both at… one house.” As he realises they’ve both beelined to Henry’s- having started their journey from when Abby released them earlier in the day, and only arrived after Mike left.
Then the film could cut to Bonnie and Freddy killing Henry, maybe saying something to him that clues him in- Charlottes back, and she’s gonna make him pay. It's also tragic irony- he gives the music box to Mike, to leave at Freddy's, because he's too much of a piece of shit parent to actually visit her. The music box that could've saved his life is gone, due to his own neglect. Absolute cinema!
It means the Henry stinger at the end of the credits is unnecessary. But wouldn’t it be cool to see it? He could still leave that voice memo for Mike in the next movie- we’d just get to see him making it.
Once Freddy and Bonnie are done with Henry, they can radiate outwards, hitting from house to house, if they like. Or they can just pull a T-800 and leave, to make it harder for the police to apprehend them. They could even make their way to Abby’s house. It’d make more sense if Mike deactivates them while at or near Abby and Mike’s house- because they need to be there for the end of the movie anyway. And this'll make it seem less like they can teleport.
What’s The Point Of This Post?
Idk man. My brain won’t stop spinning over the ways this movie nearly works. Really, it just needed a second or third draft. It got so close to having the motive and method line up, and just doesn’t.
I feel like I’m either just nitpicking, or losing it. Can anyone else see where I’m coming from?













