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hi! sorry i haven't posted in a while, but im back! i drew tabs error sans as a furry, tabs belongs to @indig0-l1ghts! if you like utmv i suggest looking at their art or her au tabs! i drew him as a fox because why not
late night lore jams
under a readmore bc is essentially an unedited chatlog. covers water light, breeds, ridgeback silliness, and a new world full of new gods with secret names.
and also sword art online and how its bad
[03:54:54] BC: Ghostlight is... better, at a first glance at least. [03:55:08] N--: I've been there ever since the update [03:55:29] BC: 50% of the enemies being Plague affinity really messed with me in the Mire. [03:55:57] N--: The Mire has XP ranges from like 860-1240 anyway and the ghost is 1260 if I remmeber right so it's, it's good. [03:56:08] N--: --oh [03:56:23] N--: yeah water actually has 0 elememtal weaknesses in the mages in ghostie town [03:56:34] N--: so that's probably really great for you [03:57:07] N--: nature and water share that trait [03:57:30 | Edited 03:57:34] BC: Water and Nature are pretty close together on their weaknesses and strengths. [03:57:38] BC: Funny that, really. [03:58:00] N--: Huh, yeah makes sense [03:58:11] N--: they're both super effected by light and plague right ?? [03:58:27] N--: or at least. they both have somethigns pecial with those two flights [03:58:36] BC: Nature is strong against light. [03:58:40] N--: nn okay [03:58:42] BC: Water is neutral to it. [03:59:00] BC: Plague and Ice hurt Nature and Water. [03:59:13] N--: was going to ask why Nature would be powerful against light but I remembered that the whole reason shadow's area is a thing is because of the brambles [03:59:36] N--: sometimes the lore gets really dorky with elemental stuff tbh [04:01:28] BC: Well, the way I always saw it, is that Nature will always erode away at Enchantments and the like. Plenty of "divine" things have faded into antiquity. [04:02:32] N--: ooooh, true [04:02:40] N--: that is kinda cool. [04:03:08 | Edited 04:03:12] BC: no fucking clue how shadow beats ice though [04:04:31] BC: I've been wracking my brain on that forever. [04:04:48] BC: -Oh yeah and Both Nature and Water is strong against Earth. [04:07:39] N--: Shadow um blocks out the sun so that the ice can't melt and create global warming which is how ice does it's attacks ???? [04:07:49] N--: Idon'tknow [04:09:19 | Edited 04:09:31] BC: I'm currently looking how darkness and obscurity often relate. Not so much mystery, (which is water's domain in flight rising,) but the intentional act of hiding information. [04:09:56] BC: Because on an elemental stand point, it makes no sense. [04:10:06] N--: Yeah.. [04:17:46] BC: Hmm. [04:21:49] BC: The only way I can see it working is Ice is vulnerable at it's core. It's something that's solid and harsh and always does what you expect it to be. It's dangerous- and it never lies to you about that. But above all, it's smart, patient and devoid of life, lonely.
To trick ice with your shadows and your lying, would be effective. Ice has always been vulnerable in the mind- which is where Darkness attacks. [04:23:20] BC: Ice hides nothing. Shadow hides everything. Dunno? [04:23:21] N--: tbh, that sounds kind of like a good description of ice flight as a whole, too [04:23:32] N--: Ice is basically a... no-fun-allowed (but only sometimes and kind of) version of Plague [04:25:46] BC: (That feel when you accidentally use Rally on your Caster...) [04:25:56] N--: /snorts, yeah.... [04:26:06] N--: accidental dragon clicks is the worst [04:26:58] BC: I suppose it's also worth mentioning that Ice is not a solid foundation? [04:27:17] BC: To play at the whole, "vulnerable at the core/mind" part. [04:27:43] N--: yeah [04:28:29] BC: What other weird elemental interactions are there [04:28:41] BC: This is fun to think about, actually :D [04:29:04] BC: It makes me feel smarter than I actually am. [04:30:10] BC: -yayy Charcoal levelled up. [04:30:45] N--: purrs [04:31:02] N--: also I sent the description of Ice to Quo since he's in ice and asked him if he also thought that was a good description of Ice as a flight in general [04:31:04] N--: he said this it's good, I'd like to post it to tumblr or otherwise reblog it let me fetch something in return http://skarita.tumblr.com/post/22254112497/rose-lalonde-isnt-a-pillar-of-ice-shes-a [04:32:21] BC: Oooh, right, Glaciers. [04:32:57] BC: That kind of turns the theory on it's head. And also... supports it in a way wait what the fuck [04:33:08] BC: How does that even do that [04:33:30] N--: /it's a mystery music [04:38:01] N--: [04:37] QP:
<<< the trouble with classifying ice, or any element, as one particular thing, is that...basic elements can be interpreted as many things. which is why they're quite wonderful to write about! again with the rose example, she is the aspect of light, and her role is that of "revealing the way". contrast with vriska, whose aspect is still of light, yet her role is one of fortune and luck. ice is the same way, everything from snowflakes to glaciers, at once fragile yet stalwart, an element of preservation yet one that is difficult to preserve.
that having been said, I only see glaciers as supporting it, not necessarily turning it on its head. explain that further? [04:38:24] BC: Glaciers are lying little assholes. [04:38:33] N--: hehe [04:38:46] BC: Still, one exception, I guess. [04:39:00] BC: Shadow still makes no sense for being strong against Ice. [04:39:17] BC: That's the closest I've ever gotten. [04:39:44] BC: To like, making sense of it. [04:40:36] N--: Nnnn. Yeah, glaciers is the first thing I thought of, as well [04:44:16 | Edited 04:44:39] BC: But eitherway, my point still stands I guess? Ice and Shadow are polar opposites- most of the time. Ice is harsh. A Shadow is harmless. Shadow deceives you, plays with your mind. Ice does nothing you don't expect. Ice stays still. Shadows are always moving. The one thing that they share is, well, isolation. [04:44:31] N--: Hey I'm temp (if Quo wants it to be temp) moving Quo here so you guys can just talk about it straight too each other [04:44:38] N--: that okay? [04:44:59] BC: Isn't this a Flight Rising chat. [04:45:03] *** N-- added QP *** [04:45:05] N--: that's true. [04:45:09] N--: it was originall a flight rising chat. [04:45:24] QP: what's up you hecking scrublords [04:45:29] N--: /o/ [04:45:31] QP: ... [04:45:35] BC: Nothing much, how bout you. [04:45:45] BC: -WAIT WHY IS THIS THING BLEEDING- NONE OF MY DRAGONS KNOWS REND. [04:45:46] QP: I'm FF, nury calls me Quo [04:46:08] BC: Sup, I'm Blazer. Nury calls me Kally. [04:46:09] N--: btw can you see the chat history up to two weeks ago to read the most recent ice/shadow conversation or should I copy paste the stuff you missed [04:46:14] QP: I'm here to weakly whimper about flight rising and then leave [04:46:28] N--: Nury calls everyone weird ass names ':D [04:46:35] QP: I can see the two-weeks-ago chat [04:46:37] BC: You can stay if you want, I like you oAo [04:46:39] N--: alright, cool [04:46:42] QP: but copypaste on skype web is ASS [04:46:44] QP: real AESS [04:46:54] N--: --oh geezus [04:46:54] QP: it looks interesting tho [04:46:58] N--: I forgot you were using that [04:47:20] QP: anyway uh [04:47:59 | Edited 04:48:33] BC: really i'm just trying to throw my brain at something and see if it works like a good water clan -3- [04:48:15] BC: But yeah go for it. Tell me what you're thinking. [04:48:42] QP: I'm going to go ahead and ignore that comment about "throw my brain and see if it works like a good water flight" because I have never once gotten any impression from water flight other than "bad eyes" and "we don't have a motto lol", and I always pictured lightning flight as the engineering group [04:48:58] QP: though, to be fair, I'm also a gigantic A-hole, I got banned from the forums like a year ago, and I was only really active in the community in 2013 [04:49:03] BC: Yeah we're not really good at anything [04:49:04] QP: oh and I also have an AU that like. changes everything [04:49:12] BC: Other than spouting insane theories [04:49:17] QP: so like????? nothing in FR is even canon in my AU [04:49:22] QP: IT'S ALL TOPSY TURVY [04:49:29] BC: eheheh [04:50:30 | Edited 04:50:40] BC: Seriously we have nothing going for us and I think that's the point by now. [04:50:42] QP: hm [04:50:54] QP: well I'm not about to spill out all my secrets, but I will jump in here and there [04:50:57] QP: so yeah [04:51:02] QP: I'll sit back and listen to you all [04:51:15] BC: I've pretty much said all that's on my mind at the moment. [04:51:24] BC: I can't think of any other reasonings. [04:51:36] BC: I mean really it's just a weird interaction that makes little sense. [04:51:39] N--: I /was/ middle conversating for a lot of good points [04:51:55] BC: And I'm thinking WAY too much into it, because it's really fun [04:52:26] N--: Do you mean: because you're in aussie land and your evening is people's middle of the damn night [04:52:41] BC: What? [04:52:46] QP: it's 5AM for me [04:52:54] BC: rip [04:53:18] N--: I just woke up because I have no sense of time decency but yeah it's 0253 [04:53:35] BC: (See, it's not the middle of the night, it's morning for Quo.) [04:53:39] N--: true [04:53:41] QP: well yeah but I stayed up all night and it's dark here [04:53:42] N--: ...kinda [04:53:45] QP: therefore it's night [04:53:47] QP: I'm an idiot [04:53:48] N--: I consider 5Am to still be night [04:53:49] QP: please kill me [04:53:52] QP: anyway uh.... [04:53:55] QP: yeah shadow is...shadow beats ice [04:54:02] QP: I never knew [04:54:09] QP: tbh I never kept good track of the FR elemental chart [04:54:17] QP: I'm one of those assholes who just goes "eliminate" [04:54:21] BC: "Tomorrow doesn't start until I go to bed" "Go to sleep." "I'll do that tomorrow." [04:54:22] QP: which is colorless [04:54:42] BC: pfff I only keep track of it because I have one caster And enemy casters scare the shit out of me [04:54:59] QP: I had a caster but levelling up in the coli is so boring [04:55:12] QP: i only got to about level 12 before I was like "oh my god my eyeballs are going to fall out of my head" [04:55:13] BC: Ikr? [04:55:26] BC: Level 23 Caster. What do. [04:55:35] QP: golem workshop [04:56:00] BC: Level 23 water caster, what do. [04:56:09] QP: training fields [04:56:17] BC: -pFF [04:56:28] N--: I only really know the defensive stats of the dragons I use so like, lightning/arcane is not very effective against arcane most specials are bad agaisnt their own element light is super effective against plague and plague is super effective against water (but water is neutral against light (I think))--the trifecta that was Silve Kallum and I [04:57:02] N--: I actually really like my water caster in the Golem Workshop... [04:57:16] N--: it's only slightly sad [04:57:23] BC: Isn't there a ton of electrical monsters there tho [04:57:24] N--: he /has/ to have contuse ':D [04:57:47] N--: euh yeah but Koi has enough vit that it doesn't matter that much [04:57:50] BC: And so much stuff is resistant to water there. [04:58:22] QP: you'd think it would be super effective [04:58:25] QP: I mean FFS they're robots [04:58:29] QP: pour water on them and they die-o [04:58:40] QP: plus lightning draogns hate water [04:58:45] QP: ACTUALLY CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A FUCKING SECOND [04:58:46] BC: Truuuu. [04:58:52] BC: -YEAH SURE. [04:58:54] QP: WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO PUT DRAGONS THAT ONLY EAT SEAFOOD [04:58:56] N--: --oh yeah ridgebacks! [04:58:57] QP: IN A PLACE WITH NO FUCKING WATER [04:59:09] BC: WAIT WHAT SERIOUSLY [04:59:12] QP: AND ALSO LIKE IT'S THE DESERT. IT'S THE FUCKING DESERT [04:59:28] QP: THERE NO WATER SO THERE'S LIKE??? NOT MANY STORMCLOUDS [04:59:32] QP: WHAT THE FUCK IS LIGHTNING EVEN DOING [04:59:52] BC: ..."For Science?" [04:59:59] QP: okay i know there's sparks because of the friction/static electricity in whirling sands and that can generate electricity, and electricians prefer things be as dry as possible. yes, that makes sense. [05:00:02] QP: still though like.... [05:00:07] QP: you could have made them meat-eaters [05:00:19] QP: you look at a ridgeback and do you think that's a dragon that eats fish? no [05:00:23] QP: it looks like a vicious fuckin predator [05:00:45] QP: and instead you throw it into the middle of a desert with no fucking fish, and then it's also the biggest breed so it's gotta eat like 8 times its weight in fish just to survive [05:00:49] N--: [05:00] QP:
<<< WHAT THE FUCK IS LIGHTNING EVEN DOINGalso a good example of the actual flight tho tbh [05:00:54] QP: IN A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE LUCKY TO SEE ONE FISH IN ONE YEAR [05:00:56] BC: To be honest, I don't think the flights live in isolation from eachother. [05:01:05] BC: -Yeah I know right. Lightning are nutjobs. [05:01:16] QP: STORMCATCHER LOOK AT WHAT YOU DID [05:01:16] N--: well they basically have entire countries of just themed elemental land [05:01:24] QP: YOU RUINED A PERFECTLY GOOD DRAGON IS WAHT YOU DID [05:01:29] N--: IT HAS ANXIETY [05:01:31] QP: GAVE IT ANXIETY [05:01:38] QP: A CRIPPLING ADDICTION TO FISH [05:01:48] BC: Omfg. [05:02:16] N--: also I find that most lairs have an extreme leaning torwards certain elements as well! so they're a little isoltated with some weirdos who live outside their flight [05:02:21] N--: I prefer having variety. [05:02:24] QP: well uh regarding the isolation thing like....the way the map is drawn is that there are very clearly places that are Lightning Land and "this is Our Territory" [05:02:42] QP: and in a more modern society it's definitely true that none of these cultures are, presently, isolated from each other [05:02:47] QP: but they used to be is the thing [05:03:07] BC: Huh, did they. [05:03:07] QP: and when fuccboi thrage created ridgebacks in isolation, like...he clearly did not think that through [05:03:11] QP: yeah [05:03:20] BC: do things swim in the sand [05:03:24] BC: liike [05:03:25] QP: I was under the impression that the deities made each dragon breed and populated them in separate regions [05:03:27] BC: sand worms [05:03:30] N--: like Fantasy Life logic [05:03:36] QP: sand worms are insects not seafood [05:03:47] N--: samanco are seafood in Fantasy Life [05:03:52] N--: instead of [05:03:53] N--: ice cream [05:04:13] BC: To be honest if something like this is a thing, I'm entirely convinced there is no reason Shadow defeats Ice. [05:04:22] BC: because that is silly [05:04:24] N--: Sand fish is really intriquing to me, but I still think it'skinda dumb [05:04:25] QP: something like "this"? [05:04:28] QP: what do you mean by "this" [05:04:36] N--: Lightning in isolation [05:04:40] N--: relevant to Shadow defeating Ice [05:04:49] BC: Ridgebacks eating Seafood only? [05:04:58] QP: ridgebacks eating seafood only is 100% canon [05:05:07 | Edited 05:05:11] QP: I know I speculate a lot about FR lore but that shit is C a n o n [05:05:13] BC: In a land with zero- GAAAASP IT'S A DESERT RIGHT [05:05:17] N--: yep [05:05:20] QP: THAT'S WHAT I BEEN SAYIN YO [05:05:30] BC: WHAT IF IT USED TO BE AN OCEAAAN AND THAT SAND WAS A SEAFLOOR. [05:05:38] BC: IDONTKNOW [05:05:42] QP: then they would ahve made water dragons [05:05:57] N--: yeah they Tidelord probably would have taken it since he's in control of 'allt he water bodies' [05:06:00] BC: hold up let me look at this wacky map [05:06:03] N--: /snorts [05:06:13] QP: oh -- oh yeah I used to have a map of the TABS world [05:06:18] QP: I think I mostly forgot it agh [05:06:21] QP: let me see if it's in my files [05:06:44] QP: nvm it's in my notes [05:06:52] QP: and IMO mine makes a lot more sense than FR's weird wacky-ass bullshit [05:07:04] BC: I mean the Shifting Expanse and the Sea of a Thousand Currents are RIGHT next to eachother. [05:07:11] QP: well yes but [05:07:23] QP: it's still not exactly the most strategic thing in the world to make your dragons dependent on a rival's resources [05:07:27] BC: BUT THE SHIFTING EXPANSE IS ALSO SUPER ELEVATED WHAT [05:07:47] BC: no I'm talking about my theory of the ocean being drained from the lightning world [05:07:55] QP: like...if they are that way. then fine. but when the gods were making dragonkind in their image,...they had the right to make dragonkind. and the gods are all rivals. so they'd want to make each breed relatively indepe--okay [05:08:12] QP: I still think that if it used to be an ocean then tidelord probably would havve put water dragons there [05:08:29] QP: on a related note why TF is guardian a water breed [05:08:33] QP: I mean like come on [05:08:43] QP: the tidelord literally has a place at the bottom of an ocean where he looks at pearls [05:08:49] QP: and you're telling me the pearlcatchers aren't from this place [05:08:58] N--: It has fins plastered onto its massive, bulky, not water-dynamic at all body [05:09:05] BC: well there also looks like there is a ravine in the Shifting Expanse. A huge one. [05:09:07] QP: meanwhile guardians are all about preserving things and are generally tough breeds, which screams "ice" to me [05:09:12] BC: One that could have easily of been a river. [05:09:16] QP: so I MADE IT CANON [05:09:22] QP: IN MY OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR--hahahaha no [05:09:36] BC: You come up with a better idea then [05:09:44] QP: I DID come up with a better idea [05:09:48] BC: WHAT IF SPACE [05:09:51] BC: //slapped [05:09:52] N--: arcanist [05:09:55] QP: in my AU guardians are from ice and pearls are from water [05:09:57] N--: that's fae [05:10:16] QP: faes are from, ambiguously speaking, "the moon" [05:10:19] QP: yes they are from space [05:10:22] N--: pearls in water is p'cool [05:10:49] QP: (in my AU anyway) [05:10:54] BC: Pearls are the entire reason why I got a Pearlcatcher. [05:10:57] N--: Also Kally the ravine in Lightning is ALSO directly related to the lava flow in Fire [05:11:06] BC: ...which is of the lightning flight IT'S COMING FULL CIRCLE [05:11:07] N--: ...connected not related woops [05:11:10] N--: like physically connected [05:11:17] N--: nak nak [05:11:18] BC: I see that, yeah. [05:11:27] QP: i luv how y'all are talkin about xhaztol's whack-ass map and im just sitting here smugly looking at my own shitty doodle on 2-year old notebook paper [05:11:42] QP: im sorry im being like. super smug rn [05:11:45] QP: i should stop [05:11:57] BC: Though you're also implying that volcano has been erupting consistently for that long to make a ravine that deep [05:12:15] QP: flamecaller's exaltation volcano vagina [05:12:16] N--: I mean Fire is constantly just magma pools [05:12:20] N--: --HA [05:12:32] QP: you see when you exalt a dragon it goes into flamecaller's hooha, because she's into vaginal vore [05:12:32] N--: [05:12] QP:
<<< smugly looking at my own shitty doodle on 2-year old notebook paperwere you going to show it to us [05:12:33] BC: I don't even- [05:12:39] QP: her vagina is a volcano [05:12:41] BC: Yeah. Show us. [05:12:43] QP: and when you insert a dragon she cums lava [05:12:49] N--: /flashbacks to the war [05:12:49] QP: that's why the volcano is able to erupt constantly [05:12:54] QP: Its Canon (its not canon) [05:13:15] QP: uhh well I dont have a scanner rn but I can describe my map verbally [05:13:22] BC: hahahaha [05:13:23] BC: do it [05:13:38] BC: Only if you want to, of course. [05:14:30] N--: --I can hatch my (17) eggs now but I kind of want to have most of them sit there until the 29th and hatch them on leap day since I actually want to keep at least one baby [05:14:39] QP: the bottom of the map is an antarctica-like region, surrounded by a ring of glaciers and mountains separating ice from the rest of the world. just past it is a continent which is mostly desert, inhabited by lightning and earth (and fire now that I think about it) [05:15:56] QP: the equator is dotted by a series of islands and not-quite-continental but kinda big landmasses which are shared between light, shadow, and arcane, the three "magical" breeds concerned more with the nature of the universe and magic than any other breed (after all, since light/shadow/arcane are less physical and more ethereal concepts than, say, fire or earth) [05:17:00] QP: further north there's a continent which has split control between nature/wind/other naturally things and fire/plague, the "northern wastes" which is mostly a war zone [05:17:33] QP: and then I didn't think much about water or wind home areas....yeah this map needds some touching up, it was just a doodle of where I think things might be and more importantly general "what flight is close to what" [05:17:33] BC: If you say Water has control over the entire ocean I swear [05:17:44] QP: no water does not have control over the entire ocean [05:17:47] BC: -alright good. [05:17:57] QP: I could not think of a good specific area to place water though [05:18:06] QP: ah yes, the forgotten water flight, once again-- [05:18:33] BC: Probably somewhere- PFF, probably somewhere where the water can just... flow, you know? [05:18:39] BC: A current. [05:18:40] N--: ...what if the water flight is actually just cut off from the rest of dragon kidn because they leave deep in the ocean and never surface [05:18:47] N--: and also are smug ass PCs [05:18:53] BC: Kinda like where it is now in the smack dab middle of everything [05:18:54 | Edited 05:21:10] QP: --nah in all seriousness I do think there is a colony of ice-flight exiles living just north of the ice continent alongside water dragons; some live under the surface and others live above on some glaciers strung together to form a "pirate's town" where smugglers trade. i had a name for this town, but i forgot that name though. goddamnit [05:19:00] N--: so no one knows where they are and they don't know where everyone else is [05:19:08] QP: I have not yet set an actual home location for water though, that's just one specific town [05:19:49] BC: hahah just have water hidden from the world [05:20:02] QP: that's actually not necessarily a bad idea [05:20:16] QP: a bunch of wandering nomadic fortune-telling tribes without a set location, roaming the seas above and below [05:20:18] QP: I could get behind that [05:20:22] QP: it's gucci [05:20:26] N--: (cat) [05:20:45] QP: [these sweet-ass lore jams] [05:21:01] BC: Like, they could have a land where the Tidelord is, but they don't tell anyone where it is an no-one can find it because it's at the bottom of the fucking ocean good luck finding it nerd [05:21:33] QP: ofc my plucky protagonists are gonna find it and kill the tidelord [05:21:35] QP: or not really [05:21:52] BC: It might also be funny that 90% of the Water Flight has no idea where it is either [05:22:05] QP: i imagine it might be a sort of thing like native american tribes [05:22:10] QP: (oh god I hope this doesn't come off as horribly racist) [05:22:16] BC: pff [05:22:18] BC: Aussie. [05:22:20] QP: (considering my limited knowledge of them based on a fictional account) [05:22:51] QP: but like--in the novel "the searchers" the way the tribes referred to each other was all through rumor and memory, there wasn't any census or any set name [05:23:12] BC: yeah [05:23:26] BC: I can't see how that would ever be racist tbh [05:23:42] QP: I'm extremely paranoid that I might be stereotyping, even if not necessarily in a negative way [05:23:44] QP: also, tungler [05:23:53] BC: -Tungler what? [05:24:29] QP: and each tribe would only take the name of its leader, and of course leaders would come and go, and tribes would merge and die out. but no one would ever explicitly tell another tribe. so you could ask twenty different tribes for where person X is, and they would give you twenty different answers based on what they remember, and what they were told last time they met person X's tribe [05:24:52] BC: Oh, crazy. [05:25:12] BC: ...//squints at the water flight forums// ...scavenger hunts wtf are you guys doing [05:25:19] QP: I thought that would be kind of fitting for the water nomadic structures, like. the constant flow of fortunes and knowledge, right? [05:25:39] BC: Yep! [05:25:55] QP: you ask where the tidelord is, the first clan you meet tells you to visit another clan, and that clan says visit another, and the story gets muddled up and passed along, changing as it drifts on the waters [05:26:15] BC: Sounds about right really. [05:26:28] QP: the tidelord's location is unknown because it was, in effect, whispered only to one person--his confidant, his Lord, and then like a game of telephone it turned into fifteen different myths and urban legends [05:26:51] QP: I fucking hate FR but I get really passionate about lore jams, whoops [05:33:48] BC: n'aw man I feel ya [05:34:07] QP: lmao [05:34:25] BC: Really what gives me the shits more than (almost) anything else, is when there's a really good concept/world that is entirely ruined in the dumb way it's presented [05:35:11] QP: for me it's about 30% that, 70% "FR is made of fucking shitheads who beat a meme to death and then have sex with its corpse" [05:35:13] BC: An example is Sword Art Online. Really cool concept and world built for it, feels believable. (First Season, at least.) completely disregarded like, 3 episodes in [05:35:25] QP: pfft. SAO [05:35:32] BC: SAO is a trainwreck [05:35:34] QP: Suck Ass Online [05:35:41] QP: Shit Anime Online [05:36:08] BC: I still enjoyed it a lot, but that was only because I watched it with Silve [05:38:45] QP: I never saw it [05:38:49] QP: but I love shitting on it [05:38:51] QP: it looks bad [05:40:38] BC: I'll say it a thousand times. It does a fuckton of things right, it twists your heart and stabs you in good way and actually makes you feel bad for the characters. Then goes "fuck it" and randomly- out of fucking NO-WHERE, life is perfect and it's mary-sue the main character QAQ [05:40:46] BC: marty-stu [05:41:26] QP: o yeah [05:41:35] QP: SAO basically turns into every day weeb wish fulfillment right? [05:42:50] BC: I'm half-convinced the first couple of episodes were flukes. Characters are introduced, built up, then never brought back, they were only there to make the main character shine brighter for a single episode. [05:43:02] BC: Really though, it starts out amazing. It had so much more potential, dude [05:43:04] QP: shine bright like a diamond [05:43:17] QP: ehhh I feel like "IF YOU DIE IN THE GAME YOU DIE FOR REAL" has been done differently and better [05:43:30] BC: yeah true but [05:43:57] BC: hear me out, Like- I dunno episode 3? Main character joins a guild way lower than him and at this point he's still a fucking ass-twat that feels relatable and god forbid, real [05:44:14] BC: Before it goes fucked sideways. [05:44:56] BC: And that episode sets up SO MUCH So much about the WORLD, how DARK it is, how much character, THE MAIN CHARACTER ACTUALLY DEVELOPES IN A GOOD WAY LIKE GOD DAMN IT'S A GOOD ONE [05:47:44] BC: But to spoil it- the main character, being higher level, increases the strength of surrounding monsters, which isn't much a problem for the low level guild. Until they trigger a trap, fight a fuckton of monsters that are way too strong for them and all fucking die. Rip. One of the guild members, a girl, nice girl actually, last person left other than the main character, suddenly takes a mortal blow. Rather than like, crumple though, she looks over as she is dying/falling and she fucking says something to the main character, smiling. But here's the kicker, among all the chaos, no-one, not us, not the main character, hears it over all the bloodshed and monsters. We're left in the dark of it all. [05:48:30] BC: Like, wtf did she say I unno [05:48:31] BC: you wanna know [05:49:00] QP: kallum are you trying to trick me into watching SAO [05:49:08] QP: i hate being deceived [05:49:09] BC: Don't watch it. [05:49:38] BC: At the very end of the episode, it's Christmas, the main character still feels guilty for what happened- he should have just told them he was higher level or whatever the fuck. And then he suddenly gets a pre-recorded message from dead-girl-smiley-death, that he was supposed to receive on Christmas, you know, with a gift attached. [05:51:19] BC: And in that message it's revealed that she was really happy that someone is protecting her and her guild, no matter what. At the very end of the message, it suddenly cuts back to the scene of her dying, with her message still playing. In sync with her lips, she says "Thank you.", revealing what she had said to both the watcher and the main character.
Boom. [05:51:36] BC: Mystery solved. And you feel fucking awful. [05:51:51] BC: NEVER FUCKING MENTIONED EVER AGAIN. [05:51:58] QP: wow okay [05:52:21] BC: AND HE DOESN'T LEARN A THING FROM THIS [05:53:24] QP: WOW, OKAY [05:53:28] QP: I FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW [05:54:17] BC: IT WAS SO GOOD [05:54:21] BC: AND THEY SOILED IT [05:54:26] BC: ...HOW DID WE GET HERE [05:55:44] N--: by being cynical lore analyzing peeps I guess [05:57:36 | Edited 05:57:43] BC: Like yeah he develops character from that, episodes 1-3, which is SO good but in later episodes he undevelops character and starts going backwards from episode 4 onwards-ish. That's all you need to know.
Don't watch it. Unless you wanna watch it with a friend. Watching it with a friend? Thing's a fucking blast. Like most things with friends. [05:57:47] BC: I'm done with my rant now. [05:57:53] BC: Sorry y'all had to see that side of me. [05:58:01] QP: naw 's fair [05:58:05] QP: at least you're passionate about something [06:00:42] N--: I enjoy seeing sides of Kally I don't get to see you really involved in stuff a lot ;w; [06:00:54] BC: sorry i'm a loner [06:01:03] BC: BC sticks out his tongue. [06:01:09] BC: And blame timezones. [06:01:51] N--: but [06:02:00] N--: but I'm normally asleep when you're asleep [06:02:05] N--: apparently [06:02:08] QP: I'M NEVER ASLSEPEP MY LIFE IS FUFERING [06:02:11] QP: sorry. [06:02:17] N--: is okay [06:02:42] QP: anyway uh [06:02:45] QP: //me goes back to lurking [06:02:57] QP: when FR lore is a topic HMU : - ) [06:03:40] N--: Monster Hunter Ultimate can't save you now [06:04:06] N--: Coliseum has been a lot less anti-social of an activity than.. something something..., elemental transition..... [06:04:36] BC: What's HMU mean [06:05:06] QP: Hit Me Up [06:05:14] BC: Yo. [06:05:30] BC: I do like the lore of FR, it's neat. [06:05:35] BC: It just gets very silly at times. [06:06:00] BC: So what did we learn today, [06:07:05] N--: Plight Rising and Plague is pretty interesting there were a bunch of peeps that 'petitioned' against Plague lore and involevment in the community i.e. festival skins a couple years ago (apparently) and so FR filtered out Plague without changing the lore and it's a mess [06:07:33] BC: We learned that Ice is most vulnerable at the mind- so that's why Shadow beats it. We learned that Ridgebacks are VERY SILLY and so is Stormcatcher. Some really neato AU stuff And that SAO is a trainwreck. [06:07:45] QP: //me shakes fist [06:07:47] QP: SAO isn't an FR AU [06:07:49] QP: ...oh god [06:07:59] QP: some fucking WEEABOO probably put their dragons into a SAO RP [06:08:06] QP: BURN FR IMMEDIATELY WE CAN'T LET THIS HAPPEN [06:08:25] N--: sounds like a good plan [06:08:53] N--: Stormmancer is a dork [06:08:58] N--: he has eight appendages [06:09:00] N--: can he be spider [06:09:12] BC: I mean I meant those as 4 separate points. [06:09:12] N--: silly desert spider fish eating dragon [06:09:25] BC: but you know what that's fair [06:09:56] QP: nury, his name is just "mancer" [06:10:01] QP: or thrage [06:10:06] QP: ...let me look that up actually [06:10:17] N--: right. [06:10:25] N--: I forgot that you dropped the storm in your lore [06:10:26] QP: "thrage rivenbar" the mancer, actually [06:10:31] QP: I drop all elemental titles [06:10:44] QP: it's just The Warden, or just The Mancer, their element isn't mentioned becausse it's implicit [06:10:56] QP: like "duhhh everyone knows the Mancer is lightning, there's no need to say lightning mancer in his name" [06:11:16] QP: its just one of those things that like...over the thousands of years things become more and more cultural background and assumed knowledge, and their actual "statement" fades away [06:11:39] QP: also "thrage rivenbar" is actually one of thrage's old RP characters, which I have gratuitously hijacked the name of [06:13:03] BC: Is Tidelord just called "Lord" [06:13:04] N--: yeah I remember that happening in your diety name thread [06:13:23] BC: Oh actually they'd be "Lord mcwaterface" or something [06:13:27] QP: @kallum no the titles are changed [06:13:32] N--: no he's called Tidetidetidetide...dye [06:13:37] QP: e.g. stormcatcher became The Mancer yakno [06:13:53] QP: it's an unwritten rule, but every deity's title has to be exactly two syllables, and preferably a trochee (emphasis on first syllable) [06:14:05] QP: Mancer, Warden (the only one who remains unchanged bc that's actually really fitting) [06:14:26] QP: I think Tidelord's was...The Tempest [06:14:38] BC: Ah, sounds about right. [06:15:07] QP: his hidden name is rhenik hirotomo--back when the FR deities were in beta and had names, Rhenik was the Tidelord's name [06:15:28] BC: Wait that was a thing? That's sick. [06:15:38] BC: I don't know much about FR's lore, sorry. [06:15:49] QP: and there was some evidence that when the admins were planning a version of FR back in 2008, that the Tidelord (or the Tidecaller, in 2008) was called Hirotomo (after one of the characters in SuburbanSamurai's No Need for Bushido; they're friendly with staff) [06:16:04] QP: Rhenik isn't "canon" per se, I actually had to do a bit of digging to find the unused deity names [06:16:13] QP: but I love that thread a lot and I think it's neat trivia [06:17:34] N--: Can I link it to 'im [06:17:40] QP: go ahead [06:17:43] N--: http://www1.flightrising.com/forums/frd/1215877 [06:17:43] QP: although it's kind of wordy [06:17:51] QP: and like I said I'm..banned from the forums and have no way of fixing it [06:17:58] N--: /o\ [06:17:58] QP: so if you want a tl;dr version of the thread i can summarize [06:18:20] N--: tbh I find that the first post is summarized really well [06:18:35] QP: I sitll think it's a bit...long [06:19:03] QP: but anyway yeah. in my AU, all the deities have titles (The _) and names (which only they, and a very select group of dragons know) [06:20:19] QP: keeping their names hidden is kind of just, like, a commanding-respect thing; but also, traditional draconian (the language spoken 1000 years ago by the gods) has a bit of power to it, kind of like the dragonshouts. and the most powerful spells--the most powerful words in traditional draconian--is the names of the gods [06:24:41] N--: ..it always throws me off when people on FR use 'we' because then I think they're multi-accounting or have a grandfathered 'shared' account [06:24:49] N--: (the latter happened in ChickenSmoothie) [06:27:26] BC: Oooh, I can dig that backstory. [06:27:33] BC: The dragon shouts stuff. [06:29:38] QP: ty, ty!




