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nghfb press conference + "ballad of the mighty i" on gn + "pretty boy" on jools

#nghfb #ballad of the mighty i #pretty boy #noel on liam #2015 #noel interview #2011 #2023 #the breakup #lyric analysis #things #that press conference is really the gift that keeps on giving #also anyone who has never watched pretty boy live needs to watch the jools performance #that was the first time i watched and heard the song and imo no other version that i have seen so far compares

If John was jealous and upset for years that Paul accepted ideas from others during song writing (as told by John's friend about the Eleanor Rigby writing session), why does no one discuss the problems during and after the India trip - the conflict or feelings of betrayal or whatever was going on for John to be so upset - in relation to Donovan, the musician who was there with them and by all accounts taught them things and spend time singing and writing with them - including lots of time with Paul.

There's a recording somewhere of Donovan saying he loves Paul, even adding that he's in love with him. There's a lovely recording session of them having a fun jam session and laughing together in 1968. Donovan is on record as saying he believes Paul might've written the song "Mother Nature's Son" for him specifically. They clearly had chemistry.

Can you even imagine how jealous that kind of thing might make John if he witnessed his songwriting partner laughing and giggling and jamming with a (very handsome) musician without him, much less had this "shoved in his face" a lot (or saw it that way even if it wasn't meant as a slight). John could be so jealous and easily hurt about collaborations.

Whether there was romantic chemistry between John and Paul or not, we know songwriting and their emotional closeness related to it was extremely important to their bond. If John was jealous for years about a simple suggestion or two in the Eleanor Rigby song, how are we supposed to think he wasn't super upset about Paul "cheating" on him with a talented musician like Donovan and clearly having a ton of musical chemistry and fun with him?

Paul seems less invested in the "exclusivity" of their song writing together, more open to other influences, while to John that was their thing - their sacred connection. Whether that's fair or not is another thing, but I don't see how it couldn't be a compounding issue with John feeling like their connection wasn't "real" or didn't matter enough to Paul, or maybe was one-sided.

The "in love with Paul" quote from Donovan is at about the 1 hour 13 minute mark in this lovely podcast. Another quote from Donovan with Paul is at the 1 hour 27 minute area, literally referencing the breakup of the Beatles possibly being related to their partnership.

In this TWO PART episode, we focus on Paul's McCartney in September 1969. In PART 2 we examine how McCartney has been portrayed in the Beat

John not feeling a bit weird about that would be super out of character. Feeling like their connection wasn't real, like Paul didn't need or want him in his life the way he needed and wanted Paul in his life, whether that was fair or not, would certainly have an influence on their relationship.

Creative partnership with Paul? NO!! NEW MUSE UNLOCKED, YOKO ONLY NOW!!! Who's jealous now bitch????????????????

I'm not saying it was their only issue or challenge; they clearly didn't communicate things as clearly as they could have. John had mental health struggles; if RSD (rejection sensitivity disorder) wasn't one of them, I'd be extremely surprised. It's SO painful to have that feeling of rejection. It's not always REASONABLE. But it's completely overwhelming. We know that at one time Paul and John believed they'd be a songwriting partnership for their entire lives. That wasn't working for Paul anymore, and John's extreme reactions over it had to be part of their breakup.

(I don't know where I get the temerity to write meta about the Beatles when I've been in the fandom for such a short time, but fuck it.)

#paul mccartney #mclennon #the breakup #John lennon #Donovan #Youtube #meta #is Paul supposed to never write with anyone else but John ever??#he couldn't commit to that - it wasn't working for him #whatever else was going on creating music together was SO vital to their dynamic

I feel like discussions of the Get Back footage just gloss over how unbelievably weirdly drunk he is during all this, I mean there’s focus on the emotional darkness but this is intense drunkenness for Paul, pretty upsettingly so.

I mean he’s no stranger to alcohol but there is SUCH a huge difference between First US Visit Drunk!Paul and… whatever tf this is. It’ll be 10AM and he’s in front of cameras like ‘john loves yoko, which is great… … … WHY DO YOU build me up (build me up) buttercup baby HEY WATCH ME CLIMB THE RIGGING’ while Linda’s over there sweating bullets like ‘😬 oh god oh god what do i do’ and just… holy shit it’s so much worse than it comes across in the history (honestly too that woman is a fucking SAINT i cannot imagine what that had to feel like)

#mclennon #beatles #get back #rps #paul mccartney #linda mccartney #alcohol #the breakup

The scariest Creepypasta is Life.

#jeff the killer #jeff the killer creepypasta #creepypasta #creepypasta jeff the killer #valentines day #deep quotes #moving #deep thoughts #the breakup #breakup

juan carlos ferrero on a random wednesday night:

context: juanki unfollowed carlos on ig and it’s the funniest thing he could’ve done

#completely unprovoked too #the AO ig dump was just the last straw #i’ve been laughing at the whole thing for the past thirty minutes #alberto and juanjo catching strays too #juan carlos ferrero #carlos alcaraz #the breakup

"Paul's failure to present an alternative to Klein that was a genuinely neutral third party"

Paul suggested other neutral managers, it was just that John didn't want them and they didn't necessarily want the Beatles.

I met a lot of people including Lord Beeching, who’s one of the top people in Britain and all that. And though he didn’t want to take the job, Paul had told me, “Go and see Lord Beeching.” So I went. I mean I’m a good boy, man. And I saw Lord Beeching and he was no help at all and he didn’t look nice. I mean, he was alright. He was alright, and everybody I interviewed for the… while Paul was in America getting Eastman, I was interviewing all these top so-called “people.” - John Lennon 1970

"There was a point when Paul, with the support of the others, went looking for a major figure to run Apple, on the basis of they were so big and powerful that Neil and I were not qualified to do it. Paul felt that the Beatles needed the biggest and the best to run their corporation. They interviewed English tycoons like Cecil King and Dr. Beeching, but these people were not interested. Not only that, they knew nothing about the music business." - Peter Brown

"We’ve been looking for a Beeching figure to come in and organise us. We had several of ’em in, but they just didn’t come up to scratch. The chaps we had in the interview were bigoted. They thought they knew everything and that they were just dealing with four clowns. But we saw through them right away and felt we couldn’t offer any one of them the £20.000 a year we were prepared to pay. We could fall flat on our faces — but, so what if we do ? But at the moment we can only see success." - John Lennon 1968

Paul also met with Lord Poole in 68 to discuss their finances.

Not coming for you because your post is perfectly reasonable, but people are far too quick to be like "OBVIOUSLY the others wouldn't accept Paul's in laws, they'd be too biased, Paul should have known!"... you mean, as opposed to Brian (literally in love with John) and Klein (entire strategy was being a John-guy)? Why do people take it for granted that of course John has the right to a manager who favours him, but it's absurd for Paul to want the same?

That's if you believe Paul wanted his in-laws involved so that they could favour him in the first place, which I don't. It seems pretty natural that if you have people you trust, who are respected entertainment lawyers, who work off an hourly rate rather than a percentage, you would suggest them. Each member would still be allowed their own individual managers and lawyers, so even if Paul WAS trying to fuck them over via his in laws, it would be hard for them to do so.

But I don't believe Paul was trying to fuck anyone over or get power over the others. I don't even think the other Beatles believed that. If they did, you would have to conclude they genuinely preferred Klein to Paul as a human being and that they trusted him more than Paul. The reality of the situation is that J, G & R were trying to take away Paul's existing power with their little coup, so naturally they couldn't let him have his way, regardless of how likely it is they would actually be discriminated against. They were so against Paul having even the tiniest advantage that they unilaterally forced a manager on him against his will. It's incredibly unfair how scrutinized Paul is for his choice in managers with no evidence of ill intent, while the others continually receive the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that it's obvious they (at least John and George) actually WERE trying to gain an advantage over him.

I totally agree with you - I was oversimplifying the management saga for the sake of making a point. At that late stage, it had essentially become a binary choice between JohnandYoko's selection of Klein and Paul going "well, the Eastmans are going to represent ME", and when that's the setup, it's understandable that (especially with all the built-up resentment towards Paul) George and Ringo would go with the guy who's also at least paying THEM lip service amid the flagrant brown-nosing of JohnandYoko.

And I am shouting AMEN, broadly speaking, at your last three paragraphs. I do think that Klein was able to really, really effectively tap into insecurities the other three had about Paul (and had had for some time) and into the overall dissatisfaction with how he was managing/micromanaging things. John in particular was also paranoid as fuck, even when it wasn't the worst of times, and this was the worst of times, lol. So I believe that, with this perfect storm of factors, Klein was able to tell the others what they wanted to hear and they were all able to construct their own narratives justifying their behavior. If it actually came down to "who do you prefer as a human being?", they'd choose Paul - but, they were telling themselves and anyone who'd listen (which, it turns out, was the overwhelming majority of the music press), This Isn't About That. They weren't fully cognizant of how shitty and petty and awful they were being, because they weren't living in an objective reality - or even a storyline - where they were viewing Paul as A Multifaceted Human Who Is Going Through Some Shit And Maybe Needs Some Support. That doesn't remove their responsibility for their, frankly awful, actions - but I think the extent to which everyone was seeing one tiny piece of the elephant through a haze of drugs and alcohol and ego and self-centered subjectivity is really, really important to remember. It's that no one actually appeared to ever genuinely own their shitty behavior and see just how much damage they did to Paul - that's what gets me. Maybe George and Ringo privately made the kind of amends they needed to, idk - but Paul clearly forgave them regardless, which is cuckoo-bananas to my spiteful ass.