#the flagsmashers

[emdashbitch]

Brave New World and Thunderbolts are going to canonize Sam and Bucky taking it real fucking easy on those baby super soldiers... completely going to clown that show...

What do you mean Sam, who has likely around 20 years in total of specialist military tactical training and experience, and is one of the few baseline humans who's kept up with enhanced people for years and probably knows the most about super soldier capabilities out of anyone in the show including Zemo (possibly even more than Bucky, it's unclear how much Bucky knows about his own limits), didn't even once use sensory weaponry like flash bombs, strobes, sirens, alarms and malodorants against people with extremely dialed up senses (the way Tony did against Bucky in CACW)?? Even fighting side by side with Bucky, the man can aim?? He's skilled enough not to inflict those weapons on his own ally for Christ's sake.

What do you mean Bucky, who was a gifted soldier and sniper who reached the rank of sergeant in only months, before the serum, was an elite assassin and intelligence agency cryptid, and can rip military convoy vehicles up into the air one handed, deflect a van flying at him and has on a few occasions overpowered Steve, is struggling against this gaggle of displaced mercenaries who've been super soldiers for a few years at most?

[woahwidow]

When it comes to John Walker killing the flagsmasher it may have be wrong, he may of not deserved it but I will always understand John, watching your best friend ,partner die, the first thing you will do is find someone to blame and resort to violence, people may not get it but I always will, rage came before grief , and thats the truth, Lemar was the only thing keeping John tied to reality. I know it’s controversial but John acted how many people would and I’ll never hate him.

[modysseys]

I don't think people realise yet that the flagsmashers haven't done anything actually bad (as of yet).

They stole money from the rich to give to the needy

They stole medical supplies and medicine to give to those who cannot afford it

They fought back when people tried to stop them

They took a plane from a rich dude

Like good for them????

Like yeah we don't know why they're supersoldiers yet but liek as of yet we have no reason to treat them like villians and alot of you knuckle heads are and it ain't skewering my kebab

[bodbdearg]

Okay now that the girl has been confirmed to be a translation of the original Flagsmasher (Karl -> Karli) and the Flagsmashers themselves are being shown in a good light, I’m going to make some general predictions for the show’s direction.

In the comics, Steve and Karl were enemies because Karl saw Captain America as the ultimate symbol of patriotism and Steve is anti-violence (though says he would’ve been happy to let Karl share his opinions if hadn’t hurt innocent people). The Flagsmasher despite being a very flashy villain had a lot of nuance to him, this era of Captain America was very political. Despite their animosity, Steve saves Karl’s life, and later Karl goes to Steve for help. Why? Turns out his polical group (who were the Ultimatums instead of the Flagsmashers) had been funded by the Red Skull. Karl, an anti-nationalist, obviously didnt want to be funded by a nazi and tried to disband the Ultimatums. The rest of his group didn’t care where the money came from and tried to kill him.

This created a situation where eventually:

1) Karl and John Walker fought directly

2) Karl and Steve teamed up

3) Karl’s goal for knocking out the world’s electricity to unite people was shelved

So my general predictions are that the Flagsmashers are being funded by someone who doesn’t really believe in their cause and has alterior motives (an army of young impressionable super soldiers who want to change the world? easy to manipulate. we already know they’re willing to die for their cause, someone could take advantage of them). Karli will try to stand against whoever this funder is once she finds out because of her strong principles, and some of her team will disagree because getting the job done is more important than how it gets done.

We’ll likely see a proper rematch between Karli and John (who I’m assuming is going to follow his comic book counterpart down that dark dark road).

Karli will team up with Sam and Bucky, the equivalent of Steve in this narrative, to take down a common enemy.

Even if none of this happens, I’m glad the themes of the original comics are so prevalent in this show. I was worried they’d shy away from it.

[modysseys]

Okay so final point (maybe)

John walker, he's going to run into the powerbroker while trying to stop the flagsmashers and realise he can become a supersoldier himself which he'll do and then it'll mess with his head and it'll be a bit liek a nuke situation where they do that to explain him going full on bad guy and they are currently laying the seeds of him not being a very good person

[darthmatthewtwihard]

John Walker is a violent thug and I hope they k*ll him off in the next movie he appears in.

Heck, Karli and the Flagsmashers should have destroyed him like they did his worthless friend lemar in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

And Karli should have become a Thunderbolt instead of the racist thug john walker.

[ithacanradio]

Quick tell me some anarchist/antinationalist/progressive villains in franchises i wanna make a uquiz that caters to me specifically