The way Soren was once told he had to do things alone and that whole experience wounded him so deeply
he never wants his friends to feel that way again
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The way Soren was once told he had to do things alone and that whole experience wounded him so deeply
he never wants his friends to feel that way again
Whatre ur thoughts on the Spring Flowers of Distant Days (329-330)? Imo theyre a nice return to the heart of the story which was always psychological more than Fight Big Monster With Big Sword Evil Spirits Begone ectetc touching in themes of protecting "precious things", struggle/survival, regret, deceit, and gratitude. I'm sure u could also read into the whole "equality in relationships" message with Guts trying to return the favor (to the flower and Martino)? Really nice after the seagod/godforsaken Boat Arc.
what's ur opinion on the chitch chapters? i liked that they returned to guts's personal history & psyche after The Boat
lol sorry if these are both you and you thought I'd missed or ignored the first ask. I've been getting a lot of them recently and sometimes the ones that require a more in depth answer take a while for me to answer.
Anyway yeah I agree that this flashback felt like a breath of fresh air after the boat arc especially. It was also really nice to get a reference to Guts' csa trauma after it's felt forgotten about since like, the literal 90s lol. One thing I'd really missed about most of the post-Eclipse story is the sense that Guts is driven by deep-seated fear - not just of his friends getting killed or of losing control, but fear for himself. I don't know if that reference was meant to suggest a return to that aspect of Guts' psychology or was just like, a way of underlining Guts' attitude as a teenager, but it was still good to see.
Loved the Gambino flashbacks too, really gratifying throwback there. (Though it really highlights the art shift in ways I don't enjoy lol, I 100% prefer the early Black Swordsman era art to Fantasia era art.)
It was also quite touching, and had a good sense of aching futility to it. Reminds me a little of the tone of Requiem of the Wind, the chapter shortly before the Eclipse.
So yeah, that's my like, emotional response to it.
On an analytical level, I want to read it as like, essentially an allegory for the cycles of Guts' life, and foreshadowing for the ending of the story. In some ways the allegorical aspect of this sequence is really obvious lol. Like Guts is en route to die building a castle at the start, and Chitch is explicitly an aspect of Guts - his own "weakness," as Guts says, ie probably his humanity, certainly the part of him that longs for companionship and likely the part that wants to help others and do the right thing.
The hill where all of Chitch's "buddies" will find her really feels like a reference to the hill of swords to me, and probably therefore Guts' eventual death. The repeated use of "buddies" to reference both the Hawks and Chitch's flowers seems really deliberate on the translator's part, but also it's just vibes.
The rest can be filled in from there, and some inferences can be made. An older figure who parallels Gambino seems to save Guts from his fate of dying for that castle, but it turns out he was using him for his own ends, to eventually defeat the nobleman who owns that castle.
Seems like Skull Knight, who we know is using Guts for his own ends and wants to destroy Griffith and the Godhand, though I don't think we've seen the betrayal yet (unless providing him with the armour IS the betrayal and we just haven't seen the bad result of that yet.)
I don't think we can get too specific with predicting things based on this allegory (like there will surely be a climactic fight scene, but I don't necessarily think it'll be because Griffith kidnaps Guts and forces him to fight to the death yk) but I think the broad thematic strokes are here and many aspects are already being foreshadowed.
Chitch overextends herself because she gets too caught up in one thing and loses sight of the consequences, which is how Godo once described Guts.
This is likely referencing Guts relying on the Berserk armour, which saps out his humanity.
Chitch's flower ending up crushed could foreshadow Guts' death, or Guts becoming a monster through either the armour or the behelit. Or both - Guts becomes a monster, but maybe manages to die with his humanity intact, or salvages his humanity in death, rejoining the Hawks and maybe even Griffith. He is, after all, framed as the most important of the friends Guts would put his life on the line for. "For him... for them."
Or maybe he doesn't, maybe he dies (or lives) a monster and his od can only "become one" with other monsters in the afterlife. It's ambiguous whether Chitch does join the other flowers, after all.
I also love this page where Chitch describes the cycle of night and day in a way that epitomizes the cycle Guts is caught in of experiencing the potential for happiness and companionship but never fully trusting it, trying to keep it at a distance, even resenting it, because he feels like it can't last thanks to what's happened in his past. The Eclipse obviously, but maybe even the way his time with his first mercenary band ended.
Loneliness and isolation has always been depicted as darkness, and companionship has always been depicted as light, so this is very in keeping with that imagery.
So yeah, I feel like there's a lot to chew on in these chapters thematically. They kinda sum up a lot of Berserk's themes and how Guts' character intersects with them in a neat little self-contained parable.
All that and it's a satisfying throwback to early Berserk. Hard not to love this sequence imo.
Thanks for the ask!
For the self description thingy: im an extravert kinda girl with short blonde hair and green eyes. I love reading and spending time with my friends. I spend most of my time learning for uni in my room (it has a balconyyyy) and have no real experience with dating/relationships. Im very argumentative :)
HOW WOULD THEY BREAK YOU? ( CLOSED ) – 6 / 21
Rating: Sa/fe for w/ork
Warnings: The standard fare; kidnapping, captivity, manipulation, drugging / nonconsensual use of drugs, nausea / vomiting / emetophobia, vitamin d deficiency, isolation, strangulation, abusive relationships, physical violence, confinement to indoors.
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Genji: (pre-overwatch)
Why he’d match well with you:
- Likes to be the first and only. He’s selfish that way.
- No experience means he can mold you however he wants.
- Genji might like fun, experienced playmates, but he can sense inexperience like blood in the water. The soft eyes and subtle hesitation are irresistible.
- He’s not a stranger to western features in his dates, or even blondes- but those golden strands are so fine and soft in comparison. It’s like touching an exotic animal. And green eyes! Such a rare contrast, but so fitting for you. He’ll make them shine so beautifully with tears and shame.
- You never back down from a dogfight, and behind those sharp words, he knows there’s a fiery will he’s going to have so much fun with.
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How he’d break you:
- Although Genji has a habit of breaking his toys, he wants to enjoy the slow burn of watching you crumble. Not too fast, not too easy. He’s going to drag this out. You’re so beautiful in misery.
- He’s going to keep you on the edge. You’re no fun, dull and broken. No, the determination that hardens your eyes and sets hard in your jaw is what makes you interesting. As much as he wants to reach inside of your chest and grip that small, fluttering thing of will and snap its neck, he needs to have self control with you. Genji has plans for you.
- There’s so much thrill to be had, he hardly knows where to start. But after watching you for a few days, of setting his heart on caging you in his hands, he makes his move.
- Chats you up in a bar, is pleased beyond measure when you’re receptive. Behaves like a perfect gentleman, even protecting you from the made-up offenses of other men. Convinces you he’s a nice guy, and makes sure you’ve had a few drinks. Slowly, you guard slips, and he uses the opportunity to take liberties with your drink.
- Flawlessly plays the part of concern when you start stumbling, and holds your hair when the nausea hits. When you’re too heavily under his drugs to see straight, he leads you gently by the hands into a sleek, nondescript car, coaxing you with gentle words all the way.
- “Someone must’ve slipped you something. Don’t worry, I’ll get you home safe.”
- You’re too suggestible to have doubts. In fact, you won’t remember this at all.
- When you come to with a pounding head and shaky limbs, you’re in nothing but your underwear and an old t-shirt that doesn’t belong to you, but smells sickeningly familiar. You stumble out of a bed that you don’t remember getting into, sheets tangling around your wobbling knees.
- The door is locked.
- Someone sighs from the mess of bedding, deep and soft with sleep. They turn over, and you see a flash of green.
- The shade makes your stomach roil with nausea. Watery memories slip through your fingers; dizziness and a deep timbre laugh. Warm hands closing around your fingers. Something cool under your cheek. The smell of oiled leather.
- The nightmare begins.
- Genji, whose name you come to believe is actually a little-known moniker of the devil, likes to keep you locked away in his room. For weeks at a time, you won’t feel the sun on your face or breathe in fresh mountain air.
- Even the windows remain stubbornly shuttered and locked. You begin to feel pale and sickly. Genji notices, and he smiles with too many teeth.
- He knows about that cherished balcony. Knows how you loved study in the open air, books spread around you like a paper halo. It’s deeply satisfying when you begin to wilt without it.
- The food is exquisite, but absolutely laced with drugs. The sickening clench of your stomach that accompanies the few hours after a meal are purely a token of cruelty. Reprimanding you for losing your stomach is a fun game.
- “What, not good enough for you delicate sensibilities? Someone slaved for over that for hours, you know. So sorry all that hard work didn’t meet your lofty standards.”
- Without the sun, your circadian rhythm is derailed completely. You never know what time it is, morning or evening, night or day. Genji’s comings and goings are purposefully erratic.
- There’s nothing to occupy you for the hours he’s away- but you can count on his absences never stretching longer than a scant day. He keeps you in his own room, which is very much lived in- but he also craves you like an addiction, and can’t stay away for long.
- You find yourself looking forward to his company. It disgusts you, and yet you haven’t seen another human face in all the time you’ve been here. You don’t know how long you’ve been here. Months? A year? The thought rocks your brain like a storm-battered ship. It takes you several minutes to remember how to breathe.
- When you open your eyes, Genji is crouched in front of you, arms slung over his knees and head cocked to the side. You want to yell- you used to yell until you went hoarse, to argue anything he said or did.
- He’d just gather up your wrists, laughing, and collapse the two of you on the mattress until you settled or he fell asleep. Arguing was a piece of who you were, before all of this. Genji had sucked it dry, amusement glinting in his eyes whenever you went off or made an attempt at disagreement.
- Sometimes, he’d indulge you, let you argue with him, would even bait you into it. And then,
- “Hey, you know what I just remembered? That it doesn’t fucking matter what you think.”
- And if the mood struck him, a pair of hands would wrap around your throat until you saw spots, until your arms wouldn’t lift to claw at his wrists. Then the pressure would release, and you’d suck down air in sweet, stinging gulps. Bursts of unhealthy color wrap around your neck like phantom imprints, slowly choking the life from you.
- He traces them with a gentle finger, and smiles. This time, it’s soft; genuine. It frightens you, more unnerving than his predatory grins.
- “I hope you never stop fighting me, babe. ‘Cause you’re gonna be here for a long time. Better make the best of it!”
What are your favourite Berserk symbols?
I'm assuming you mean like, usages of symbolism as a narrative device rather than symbols within canon like the brand of sacrifice or the hawk emblem.
In which case I gotta say I really like the thorns as a symbol of trauma, or like, more specifically the self-destructive lashing out people do when they're traumatized.
Also I can't deny that I enjoy the freudian symbolism too. Swords are dicks and sometimes that makes Berserk extra fun.
The Hawk mask as a concrete symbol for self-imposed isolation and emotional distance is excellent imo. That can also be generalized to dreams as a symbol for emotional distance, but I like the helmet as a visual. The helmet as his signature look as leader of the Hawks, trying to distance himself from his friends because they have a tendency to die for him; then locked onto him during his torture after Guts abandons him because of that distance and he finds himself truly all alone; and then physically part of him as Femto after he's sacrificed everyone he cares about and removed (or tried to remove) all emotional connections he had left; and then a part of NeoGriffith's main outfit almost as if coming full circle.
Maybe a sign that he's choosing to distance himself again but there is a choice now? Or maybe it is still metaphysically part of him. Either way I'm into it as a look that shows how removed he is from others while tying the metaphysical nature of that removal now to his deliberate choice to distance himself as the human leader of the Hawks.
So yeah, let's go with those three. Really there are a ton of symbols in Berserk I could throw out there and they're all great, but those leapt to mind first and I'm very into them.
Thanks for the ask!
What are your thoughts or analyses on the phallic imagery in berserk? Less so the more obvious ones like seen in Casca’s nightmares which are obviously pointing to her sexual trauma, but like we see with the vagina-esque monsters and how Guts’ sword is alluded to being like a penis in some cases. Sorry if it’s a weird question lol
Sorry for the wait on this lol, I was on vacation for a while, and it's also a topic I wanted to spend some time on because I love it and I wanted to be relatively thorough. Thanks for the ask!
So yeah, disclaimers out of the way, Freudian analytical theory is very silly, very gender essentialist in ways that can often be transphobic and misogynist, and as far as I'm aware pretty much wholly unrelated to real psychology. Back in the 70s and 80s you had film theorists who took it seriously as a genuine glimpse into the subconsciousness of humanity or whatever, but now it's pretty much just a readily available source of sex and gender related symbolism that's easy to understand.
And in Berserk I do genuinely think it's a valid lens to view the story through because Miura is often quite heavy handed in utilizing it as symbolism. I mean, Guts literally gives someone an orgasm by stabbing her at one point. Some of this can definitely be a stretch, taking established symbols and running with them, but some of it is also almost certainly purposeful. I'll leave it to you to decide what you see as legit and what you see as stretching believability here.
This is very long lol
Would you say Griffith was persived more as an object/symbol, as someone perfect and not so much as a human being capable of great deeds, but also mistakes by his fellow Hawks and if so, how did he feel about that? How was his mentality affected by that? Was he afraid of showing weakness?
Sorry this took a while, I haven't really been in the right mindset for writing meta recently.
But yeah I have definitely said that, and I think it's a major theme of Griffith's story. I think it isolated him emotionally, and it's a big part of why, as Casca says, he "has to make himself strong." Rather than opening up to and letting himself rely on other people, he stays isolated to keep up his image.
And yeah I think he definitely avoided showing weakness, both for the sake of his image, and his own perception of himself imo. Like in Casca's flashback when he has a breakdown in front of her, the way he realizes when she tries to comfort him and turns it around on her was very telling imo. He needs to feel like the strong perfect one.
It's like, a feedback loop in a way - Griffith isolates himself and appears perfect, people see Griffith as perfect admire him, this isolates Griffith further and influences Griffith to buy his own self-image to some extent. Not that Griffith believes he's perfect, but Griffith believes he needs to appear that way for the sake of others, and that he is capable of upholding that image and playing the part.
And eventually he essentially embodies that image as NeoGriffith.
I think it's very tragic for him.
Thanks for the ask and your patience!
This is a really stupid question but I would likr to know ur take on this....
Do you think Neo!Griffith cares for Sonia, Mule or the new hawks at all??
I doubt he does but Ive just always been really confused over Neo!Griffith and his emotions... They are way more ambigious in comparassion to Golden age!Griffith where we actually got much more ideas over what he is truly feeling.
Idt this is a stupid question at all, it's interesting!
The manga is deliberately ambiguous about NGriff's feelings, and there are a lot of hints that he feels some kind of way about the old Band of the Hawk, and potentially that he's trying to replace them. He invited Rickert to join him for a reason, and Rickert's rejection highlighted Griffith's emotional ambiguity - his face as Rickert leaves is hidden, Rickert's rejection leaves him essentially speechless which is wild for a demi-god with magical charisma powers who never misses a step, he can only agree with Rickert that the new Band and the new Griffith aren't the same as the old, and the possibility is left open that he tried to have Rickert killed after this - and even if that was Locus instead, the fact that it's a possibility means that we're meant to consider that Griffith had a strong negative emotional reaction to Rickert's rejection.
On top of that there have been other strong hints that he's lonely, like the portrait at the end of chapter 250, aka the chapter all about the inherent loneliness of monsters and magical beings; the fact that he's described as "the absolute, without equal" which is very loaded in a story where Griffith once made a speech about how he can only be friends with an equal; the parallels to Guts' storyline of making new friends but being removed from them; the parallels to Guts' "don't abandon what you can't replace" and "even if you replace what you lost... it still won't be the same" themes; the parallel to Ganishka and his extreme loneliness and isolation; and, most overtly, the latest chapter where the dream-like memories of hanging out with Guts and Casca make him cry lol.
So there's absolutely room for him to have feelings about the new Band and his new "friends."
Idk whether I'd guess that he actually cares for them though. I think in a way he might. He's probably fond of them, I'm sure he'd act to prevent their deaths (unless he wanted them to die for some reason), and the way he behaves around them maybe indicates that he wants to be liked, not just admired from afar - asking about Sonia and Mule's day, complimenting Charlotte's baking and tea and whatever else, letting Sonia play with his cape, etc.
But I'd suggest that to him they're a poor replacement for the original Band of the Hawk. I think he misses the closeness he had with Guts and even Casca and the rest despite being emotionally removed from them - he was still closer to the band as a human than he can be now as a demi-god on another level of existential awareness.
His new companions might be an attempt to mitigate that sense of loss, but ultimately a failed attempt, imo.
Thanks for the ask!
Hi :) sorry this may sound a bit confusing
The bond between Neo Griffith and the moon child with Guts is just a result of the feelings of the fetus that fused into Neo Griffith's vessel? Are these just feelings of a child to his parent? There is nothing in Neo Griffith/the moon child of the Griffith before the eclipse?
About Griffiths frozen heart, Griffith goes to see Guts at the tower of conviction but I don't remember his heart beating till he goes to see Guts again alone since there were too many people. And the whole reason he goes to see him was to see if anything could shake his heart, which it did when they're face to face. It's so clear NGriff still thinks about Guts and prioritizes him, how can anyone think it's MB
I’m putting these asks together because it’s essentially the same subject.
I definitely don’t think NGriff’s heart beating and implied feelings are a result of the fetus/Moonlight Boy. I’m pretty much certain they’re his own real feelings, at the very least when it comes to Guts, if not necessarily Casca. I’ve gone over my thoughts on this pretty extensively so I’ll link a bunch of posts here that basically just agree with Anon #2.
Why I’m sure NGriff still has feelings based on an analysis of two significant scenes
More thorough analysis of the Hill of Swords scene to that same effect
NGriff’s feelings wrt Rickert that should have nothing to do with the fetus
And more on that
NGriff and loneliness
More on NGriff and loneliness
Thematic set-up for NGriff and Guts having a climactic moment of emotional catharsis that should obviously involve real feelings
NGriff and Ganishka parallels and more on that emotional catharsis
Basically, there’s every indication given that NGriff’s feelings are his real human feelings, from the basic visual components of storytelling to the entire weight and thrust of the narrative to implications and foreshadowing to parallels to pure plot-based logic.
Thanks for the asks!