Episode 305 - Talkin' Music with shineswithyou
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Sara takes (kind of sort of) a break from talking fanfic and bandfic to talk about a different form of storytelling– music, and writing about music! @shineswithyou is a familiar face around Oasis and U2 tumblr, but what you might NOT know is that she has recently embarked on a writing journey of her own, with a substack blog about music and its place as the soundtrack of her own life.
Sara and shines talk about her blog, and the difficulty of “writing words about sounds”; how music is a language in and of itself capable of telling its own (and our own) stories.
Of COURSE we loop it back around to fanfiction and RPF (or, ‘real person fanfiction’), and how bandfic is, at its core, a pure form of love for the musical artist. Other talking points include: how awesome Bono is, and how we wish we could have been at Slane Castle in 2001; the perennial dysfunction of the Gallagher brothers; and the dichotomy of the U2 and Oasis fandoms.
Theme Music: Kyle Laurin "Oasis Supersonic Theme" (Twitter: @cobrakylemusic)
Clips from "Pop Muzik" by M (℗ 1979 Robin Scott Limited) and "Marquee Moon" by Television (℗ 1977 Elektra/Asylum)
Tumblr: talkinfanfic.tumblr.com
23:07 - Music memories and growing up
30:40 - Tumblr and bandom
44:40 - Tom Verlaine and Television
46:50 - Excerpt of blog entry 4
48:56 - shines’ music writing style and influences, and the difficulties of writing about music
57:15 - Art in the time of Covid and intentional listening
01:10:56 - More on Television’s style and ‘Marquee Moon’
01:22:22 - CBGB’s and ‘the scene’
01:32:05 - Speaking of U2…
01:36:55 - The dichotomy of the U2 fandom vs Oasis fandom
01:43:01 - Rapid Fire Questions!
“Pf+Hb” shineswithyou’s substack blog
Music vid for The Stone Roses’ “She Bangs the Drums” (title inspiration for the blog)
M - Pop Muzik (Official Video) (Youtube)
Book - "Heartbeat" by Sharon Creech (Goodreads) - a children’s coming-of-age story told in free verse
Music writing rec - Liz Barker’s tinyletter (music writer and blogger, this is Liz’s main website: Words by Liz Barker ) Here is an an excerpt from her novel
Blog rec - Hanif Kureishi’s substack and a piece he wrote which shines recommends
Album - Nirvana MTV Unplugged (Spotify)
Album - The Velvet Underground & Nico (Spotify)
Trouser Press - “The biblio of alternative rock”
"The Too-Muchness of Bono" by David Brooks for the Atlantic
Achtoon Baby - U2 music blog project by Kelly and PJ
Fic mentioned - "The Passing of Peggy Gallagher" by Jeevey
Fic mentioned - “Stop the Clocks” by savageandwise
Youtube Clip from “My Beautiful Laundrette” (1985, starring Gordon Warnecke and Daniel-Day Lewis, screenplay by Hanif Kureshi. You can stream it on HBOMax)
Film Trailer for “CBGB” (2013) starring Alan Rickman
Book - Meet Me in the Bathroom: Rebirth and Rock and Roll in New York City 2001-2011 (Goodreads)
Documentary - Meet Me In The Bathroom (2022) - Youtube trailer stream on Paramount+ or rent on Amazon Prime Video
Documentary - "Gimme Shelter" (1970) - “A harrowing documentary of the Stones' 1969 tour, with much of the focus on the tragic concert at Altamont.”
Music Video - “Dark Sunglasses” a single off of Chrissie Hynde’s 2014 album ‘Stockholm’. The album doesn’t appear to be on streaming platforms.
Youtube - Where The Streets Have No Name (Live From Slane Castle, Ireland (2001) (you can see the heart-shaped stage that shines mentions really well at about 58 seconds!)
Shines’ Desert Island Discs: “Achtung Baby” by U2 (but on another day it might be “Viva La Vida or Death and All His Friends” by Coldplay
Shines is listening to: “Lucifer On the Sofa” by Spoon (album, 2022)
Shines is listening to: “Wet Leg” (self-title debut album, 2022)
Music Discovery - Paul Gallagher's MixCloud channel (Sara rec, Paul does a weekly playlist with tons of great and lesser known artists. You can listen for free and there’s no ads, but to get the tracklist you have to be a paid subscriber)
Justin Hawkins Rides Again (Youtube channel, and he has a new podcast)
Music Discovery - Shines recommends finding your local independent radio station with real human DJs! You can google, and most colleges have student run stations, and TuneIn is a site that has a “find a local station” feature you can try out!
Fic Rec - “cheaper than a dime” by harmonising (Beatles RPF, George & Paul gen) - Shines says it’s a “beautiful, angsty study of Paul and George’s relationship, written in a choppy, time-jump style”
Fic Rec - “Dare, Disturb the Universe” by @penaltybox14 (ao3, Bruce/Steve)
Fic Rec - “Wharf Rats on the Stage” by @penaltybox14 (ao3, Bruce/Steve)
Fic Rec - “Fictitious Characters” and “You Wanted Me Alone” by @likeamadonnau2. Shines says: “gorgeously written and very meta - an alternative history of U2’s early days framed by Bono & Edge’s relationship, & written by them.”
Rapid Fire Questions (starting at 01:43:01)
Which of these best describes your inner rock star? (I picked ladies because they don’t get talked about enough): Chrissie Hynde, Joan Jett, or Stevie Nicks?
What’s the best way to experience music? Live show, or headphones and vinyl?
You have a free Wednesday afternoon. Are you going to the Man City Match with Noel, or spending a day at the pub with Liam?
The Doctor suddenly appears with the TARDIS and offers to take you to ONE of the following shows:
Jan 1969 - Beatles on the rooftop of Apple Corps in London
1974 - sneak into one of Television’s regular sets at CBGB’S
Nov 1995 - Oasis at Earl’s Court, London
Sept 2001 - U2 at Slane Castle, Ireland
What’s your desert island record?
Name a recent album you’ve been enjoying.
Any music discovery recs? (ex. For me, Paul Gallagher’s mixcloud shows / Justin Hawkins)
Can you give me a couple of RPF band fics off your bookmarks list?
What does music mean to you?
