@seainspace replied to your post “i’m…so confused at kanan’s training methods? i thought jedi were all...”
Emotion, yet peace. Like Depa told him: "Those emotions are valuable, and should not be repressed, but you can not let them rule you. You must rule them."
@seainspace replied to your post “@seainspace replied to your post “i’m…so confused at kanan’s training...”
actually it's pretty well stated that some Jedi misinterpret the code, like Anakin who thinks that he isn't allowed to feel things and in turn represses them. this is partially Obi-Wan's fault for not explaining it properly, but then again he's not the best at emotions either. i believe that's why there's two versions of the code. The ancient "there is no emotion, there is peace" and the one used in the temple during kanan's training "Emotion, yet peace".
the ideal jedi has emotions like all sentient creatures, but can see past them and act fairly to all when needed. Of course that's more or less impossible but, you know ideals.
whoops forgot a line "and learn to see past them"
I thought the “emotion, yet peace” version was the old one, and “there is no emotion, there is peace” the standard? (granted, it’s been a while since I read the Kanan comics, so I don’t really remember anything from them, and this is probably legends now.) Either way, dealing with emotions is a major failing of the Jedi, and Depa is absolutely an exception based on everything else we’ve seen. (And Kanan doesn’t exactly do well with emotions, either, whatever she tried to teach.) And while that may be the ideal, in practice it means a whole lot of Jedi repressing a whole lot of shit
@velvetsunset replied to your post “i’m…so confused at kanan’s training methods? i thought jedi were all...”
Made sense to me. Several years of patient consideration of Sabine hadn't gotten her to face her demons, and the crew are running out of time. Which is why even Hera advocated asking her to take up the burden of the darksaber. I suspect things will go better now the boil is lanced, as it were... I like that they are treating her as a warrior, and not some fragile flower. (Erm, not to be combative. I see your POW :)
I just don’t feel it’s necessarily appropriate to make a teenage girl face these things against her will? Getting her some therapy would be one thing---all of them could do with some therapy, tbh---but the way they went about getting Sabine to confront her past was uncomfortable to me. Yes, the Empire is looming, and they do need all the allies they can get, but she’s still a teenage girl, and while I absolutely do believe she can accomplish everything they want, her wishes in the matter were completely disregarded, and that I do not like.
@rayguncourtesan replied to your post “i’m…so confused at kanan’s training methods? i thought jedi were all...”
I think that the key to the jedi approach to emotion (at least when they're not being written by hacks) is to accept, process and move BEYOND its control over you. When written badly, and what Sabine is doing, is bottling it up, denying its existence and being constantly haunted, hounded and ruled by it. Everything she does is tinged by this sense of betrayal and resentment and uncertainty and that will get her killed.
@rayguncourtesan replied to your post “@seainspace replied to your post “i’m…so confused at kanan’s training...”
As ever the problem with Star Wars is decades of hack writers being given the stamp of approval BC Lucas really liked money and explicitly said he'd ignore it all anyway. The entire expanded universe is basically just monetised fan-fiction which is why jedi are so completely fucking useless and inconsistent.
I guess the problem is that they are so often written by hacks, leading to the mess that is the Jedi order. Lucas may or may not also be categorized with the hacks, but the prequels really do the Jedi no favors in terms of painting them as emotionally well balanced individuals with healthy reactions to anything, and the eu just makes things worse.
But at the same time, look, I can repress stuff all day! (Obviously nothing near as serious as Sabine’s past, but.) And someone forcing me to talk about it when I don’t want to isn’t necessarily going to make me feel better, it’s just going to make me resent that person.