Hello. I am the anon struggling with Visions creation in the show. Thanks for such a thoughtful, supportive and analytical response. It’s made me reflect and heal (sounds lame but true). What you said about autonomy is absolutely fascinating. HexVision’s autonomy was actually a massive risk to Wanda - he not only questioned the reality but HER and at one point went off without her knowledge or control and investigated. If he was entirely a ‘flat’ creation she wouldn’t have allowed that - heck it wouldn’t have even been possible. He would have been a puppet. Wanda doesn’t KNOW what he is. She told him what she assumed - taking responsibility for the origin of the Westview Hex but he was much more than just something she made. He had more autonomy than anyone in town. Plus what ‘IS’ real? One could argue he was never real to start with! Made by Ultron, Banner and Tony (plus Thor). Their connection via the mindstone is so important - it bonded them before he emerged from the Cradle. Now. I would say IF HexVision had been put in White Visions body that would be the real vision - mindstone creation in the body Ultron/Tony/Banner made. No? Therefore - as the Ship of Thesus story goes - they are BOTH real: one of body and one of mindstone. What do you think? X
Ooh anon such interesting points! You can bet I spent the day thinking about this instead of focusing on my internship oops.
HexVision’s autonomy being a risk to Wanda is a really interesting way to look at things and I think it changes slightly depending on how you view the show. If you look at it from the lens of Wanda at the beginning, wanting to live in peaceful denial with her lover in Westview, then yes HexVision’s autonomy is a risk. But looking back now that the show is over I don’t think Wanda would have reached the acceptance of her grief in episode 9 without HexVision’s ability to make his own decisions, and to encourage her to take the right path. Just an interesting thought!
(sidenote: I love your point about their connection via the mindstone! I really want to do a more extensive unpacking about that at some point because I feel like there’s still so much we don’t know about the infinity stones even though that arc of marvel has come to an end).
I agree that a combination of HexVision and WhiteVision might be the closest thing we’d have (at present) to getting OurVision back – and we sort of see that in the final episode as the Visions take a break from fighting to debate philosophy. I really like the scene but particularly when HexVision retrieved WhiteVision’s memories from whatever wall they were hidden behind (due to whatever bs Hayward pulled on our boy’s mind) and we see his eyes get more human. Even the way that WhiteVision speaks before this sounds more robotic without the humanity that came with his years of experience post being created. I loved it!
I guess this depends on how we define the ‘real Vision’? Is the personality of HexVision really ‘real’ if he is based on Wanda’s memories (subject to her own perceptions?) or do we use the basis of OurVision (Vision from creation in AoU to death in IW) to define future versions of him? I don’t have the answer but it’s really interesting to think about. I think the best we could get from this in the show was that WhiteVision realised he both was, and was not, the Vision he had been programmed to eliminate (one of the reasons he ran off, I think).
It’s a paradox and I can’t put it any better than WhiteVision does when he simply says: “neither is the true ship, both are the true ship” – Both are real, neither are real.
I’ll go in circles if I keep writing about this so I’ll sign off here. Thanks so much for your interesting ideas and for sharing them with me!
follow up post with this anon is here











