I mean of course we don't know yet, but it's difficult to not think of The Notebook when it comes to Jimin. And with the title "Like crazy" it reminds me of this quote:
"They didn’t agree on much. In fact, they didn’t agree on anything. They fought all the time and challenged each other ever day. But despite their differences, they had one important thing in common. They were crazy about each other."
Again, it might be too soon and completely wrong, but if Jimin has made a love song inspired by The Notebook I know that Vminies won't be able to sit still. 👀😝 I sure won't, though of course it also depends on the lyrics. But Vmin writing love songs based on movies that somehow also fit their relationship with each other is definitely not impossible.
Anyways, looking forward to FACE! And enjoying Set me free pt. 2 while waiting. 😜
Hey, guys! I promised to be here at least once this weekend and answer some asks. As I’ve been terribly busy with work, a lot has built up in the in box. With over 200 asks to get to, I decided it would be better to take an idea from romanticdrift and do an ask roundup and sort of answer what I have so far. No, I won’t answer all 200 in this post because a lot are very similar. But I’ll be summarizing asks and clearing out my inbox. Many of these are paraphrased, but keeping the original context. (vmin focus only)
Discussed in here
The importance of vmin friendship
4 o’clock
Chim’s reaction to Tae calling during kimbap live
No vmin live
Sad Tae / Vmin tension
Vmin friendzoning
I was going to add more asks to the mix, but this got really long with just the few that I answered. I also tried to do a mix of soft vmin and people wanting me to expand on some idea of vmin not being close or the “friendzone” thing.
(BELOW THE CUT)
anonymous asked:
Part of me wishes that vmin was real. Another part of me doesn’t want them to be. Don’t get me wrong, I ship them and don’t have a problem with the idea of them being gay and in love. But somehow I really like the idea of them being best friends who just really care deeply about each other. Does that make sense?
That makes perfect sense to me, honestly. I often talk about the value of friendship on this blog and how friendships are just as important as romantic relationships. If vmin have the close bond they do with each other, and it’s totally platonic, it sort of proves that there are friendships out there that have connections just as deep as romantic love.
This is one of the reasons I don’t push the “romantic vmin” agenda too hard. Because their friendship is perfect and ideal if that’s all it is. It really puts the statement “something deeper than friendship” to shame. Because what’s deeper than friendship? In fact, a romance with someone you can’t also consider your best friend doesn’t seem deep at all. It’s almost like “friendship” is what make romantic relationships deep. You know what I mean? You just won’t have the same connection with a romantic partner if you’re not also friends with them. So it’s silly to me how friendships are often devalued.
Regardless of what type of relationship vmin have, I think it’s okay for them to be the model of the type of relationship someone else would want to have. Whether it be with a friend or an s/o. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to have a romantic relationship that matches someone else’s friendship. And, if you don’t think vmin is real but still relate to them as “couple goals” because that’s the kind of relationship you want, then that’s fine. That’s actually sort of the kind of shipper that I am.
someone asked:
Tae started crying at the end of 4 o’clock during their performance. But if it’s just about the dumpling fight, why would he cry? Am I delulu? Was the fight really that intense?
someone else said:
Chim was smiling and stuff during the practice of 4 o’clock. So I think he had to have known that the song was about him?
These asks were from an anonymous person, but they were two separate asks. So I wanted to specify them as two separate asks in this post, but answer them together.
First things first. Let’s get a few links in here that you can reference to understand my answer a little better if you don’t know the whole story.
Four O’Clock | RM & V perform 4 o’clock live | The practice for the performance | The Friends Unit Interview | My (Old) Analysis of the Interview | Vlive in Which Chim Talks about The Incident | Vlive in Which Tae talks about the Incident
Okay. Let’s talk about Tae crying during the performance. I can’t actually say that he really cried, but he did seem to get emotional at the end. It’s a song that’s about a fight that is a big staple in their friendship. I think it’s pretty obvious that there’s more to the dumpling incident that they’re not telling us. I don’t think that’s the first time they would have had such an argument. They probably argue about whether to eat pizza or burgers all the time, and whether they should have dinner first and then watch a movie or watch a movie and then eat dinner.
Just the fact that Chim stated that he had to go and have a drink with Syub after the fight tells us that there was more to the incident than they are telling us. You don’t go and drink yourself drunk because you and your best friend can’t agree on whether to eat dumplings before or after practice.
I think that incident is one of the building blocks of their friendship. I think that it happened at a time they were going through a lot of changes. We know that Chim tends to be pretty possessive, and this was at a time that Tae started having his own schedule because of Hwarang. I think there were a lot of sudden changes to things, and that stressed them out and put some strain on their friendship. And it’s possible that’s entirely wrong.
Either way. It’s pretty clear there’s more to it than dumplings. But we can’t begin to analyze and figure out what it is and expect to be remotely accurate. And quite frankly, no matter how curious any of us may be, it’s none of our business. If they wanted us to know the “obviously more to the story” part of the story, they’d tell us.
And now. I guess I could have handles the two asks separately. But anyway. I’ve already talked about how I think Chim did already know that 4 o’clock was about that incident. So check the interview analysis I linked above for my discussion on that topic. I’m going to be going through my analyses soon and updating them, but that answer will do for now.
anonymous asked
You talked about Tae calling Chim on his live but what your thoughts about Tae caling during Ji / kook live. Chim was so unprepared and Kook was laughing about Tae calling and I guess Chim’s reaction to it. Chim didn’t seem to be in the flirting mood. I just wanted to know your thoughts on it.
I believe I have talked about this before somewhere, but I’m not entirely sure. So the live you are referring to is the kimbap making one (x). So, I’m going to reference the Mandago Incident in this answer, and I did an analysis on this live before. I’m going to link to the analysis I made. A link to the last mandago live can be found in that analysis. (x)
During the last mandago that we got, I really got the feeling that Chim wanted to do a live with Tae, but Tae didn’t want to join him. We have Chim being all sour and pouty and even down right petty in that last live, and I sort of got the same vibes from his behavior when Tae called during the kimbap live.
We know that Chim keeps saying he want to do a vlive with Tae, but it never happens. What the real story behind their lack of a live together is, we may never know.
I have a theory about this one, but it is just a theory. It’s probably not even remotely true, and there are thousands of other possibilities than what I’m about to say in regards to this live.
I think that it’s possible that the Ji / kook kimbap making live was supposed to be a vmin kimbap making live. Or vmin / kook, but I’m leaning further away from that option for this analysis to make a little more sense in relation to the mandago one (which I compare it to).
This analysis is assuming (1) that the kimbap making was supposed to be Chim’s live originally (2) he originally invited Tae to do the live with him (3) Tae refused (4) Chim wanted to do the live, but not alone (5) He asked Kook (6) Kook accepted, and they did the live together.
That’s a lot of assumptions to make for a logical analysis, but it’s seriously the vibe I got from Tae’s phone call.
Let’s look at the key points from the mandago live:
(1) Chim wanted to do Mandago (2) He wanted to do with Tae because it’s their thing (3) Tae didn’t want to come (4) Chim invited Kook instead (5) Kook came
After Kook joined the Mandago live, it didn’t take long before Tae joined as well. As stated in my analysis, you could make the argument that he wanted to eat as well (because they had food), but he ended up bringing his own food. He didn’t have to join the live to eat if he already had food on his own. I think he was upset because Chim was doing “mandago” without him. Even thought it ended up not really being a mandago live and more of Eat Jin.
Chim’s behavior in both lives really seems similar to me. So I sort of got the feeling that Tae was originally supposed to be part of the live but refused. Then when he saw that Chim was with Kook instead, he got upset. He called Chim, and Chim got upset. A “if you wanted to be in the live, why didn’t you just do it” sort of upset. Like, if Tae didn’t want to do the live with him, why is he calling during the live? Knowing they’re live? You get what I’m saying.
And, no. I’m not saying this is a Ji / kook vs vmin thing. And I’m not even trying to imply any sort of unhealthy level of jealousy here. I just think (if this theory is remotely correct) it shows how Chim is being real with us. He’s not just pulling our leg and saying that he wants to do a live with Tae but he really doesn’t and it’ll never happen. I think, again - if my theory is remotely correct, this shows how Tae doesn’t want to do a solo vmin live with Chim. Even if this theory is correct, it’s possible that Tae would have called regardless if Kook was there or not. Because, based on the theory, he was initially invited, but he didn’t want to be there in person. Alone. With Chim. For whatever reason.
Again, relating it to my theory, I think Tae either called because (1) If Kook was going to be there, he would have joined. Because that would have been a third person, keeping it from being him and Chim alone. So when he saw Kook there, he wanted to make himself part of it somehow. Or (2) He would have called even if it was just Chim because he’s more okay with talking on the phone than being there in person.
I might do an actual analysis of the kimbap live, but we’ll see. It’s easier to talk about a theory here than to actually analyze because there’s not a lot to go off of without making assumptions.
related to this, anonymous asked:
Why do you think vmin won’t do a vlive together?
With some other saying that them not doing so makes it hard for us to see that they are really friends.
So, my idea on why they won’t do a vlive together is a little different than what I’ve read around. I think the reason it doesn’t happen is simply because they don’t want to, but not for any particular reason other than taking the time to do it. I’m going to explain.
We can make the argument that they are comfortable with each other and don’t want to have to be too careful. But I think that’s a copout for thinking a little deeper about it and making it more realistic. Yeah, it’s possible that they’ll have to watch themselves while they’re live, but what makes that different than any of the other members?
Ji / kook can have a live together, look into each other’s eyes, tease each other, and all kinds of things during vlive, so...why is the case different for them than with vmin? I don’t really think that them having to “watch it” has anything to do with them not doing a live together. It’s not like they’re really going to “forget about the camera” and accidentally make out or something. Even if they are in a relationship. They wouldn’t do that.
My honest belief, until I’m given reason to believe otherwise, is because they simply don’t want to. Vlives are often done from the studio or some other place where they work (if not hotel rooms). We don’t get random vlives of them living day-to-day life or going to Lotte World. So this means that most vlives we get are planned for work, or done during down time from work. But it’s always related to work somehow.
I really think that Tae and Chim are best friends and enjoy spending time with each other the same way any other friends do. When they are together, that’s their time, and they probably don’t want to share it with us. Because they share a lot of things with us, and I’m sure they have things (like their friendship or time together) that they want to keep for themselves. Despite Chim acting like the more private one, yet wanting to do a vlive with Tae, I think this is why Tae refuses. Because, although he doesn’t seem to be shy about expressing his love for Chim, he wants to keep their private time private as well.
And that’s all I think it is. And, honestly, if that’s the case, we can relish in the fact that we don’t get vmin lives. Even if getting one would be nice. It’s nicer to know that they want to keep their private time private because their friendship is important to them and they don’t want to make it about us. And. Who knows? Maybe the mandago thing and the dumpling incident all have a part to play in this. Because maybe the publicity put on their friendship at the time is what caused those kinds of strains to happen. And to avoid something like that again, maybe that’s why they won’t go live.
But. I think it’s possible we’ll get one eventually. I haven’t given up yet.
anonymous said:
HI. I would just like to remind your readers about 2020 Festa: Unit Interview @12:31 VMIN was asked: What do you want to say to each other? Tae somehow refused to answer and just said: "WE ALWAYS SAY IT TO EACH OTHER." There's NO NEED to say what they feel for each other openly. No explanations whatsoever. As Chim said in Bon Voyage 2, not us, not even the members can fully understand what they feel about each other.
Remember what I said about no theory being good enough to be truth behind vmin? This anon gets it.
a mix of asks relates to
I don’t know why people keep saying Tae is sad or that vmin are fighting. They are fine. Nothing’s wrong.
I don’t know what’s more harmful. Assuming someone is sad all the time. Or assuming they’re fine all the time.
There are times when Tae is obviously down, and he shows it. I think he doesn’t try so hard to put on a fake happy face for us, and I think that’s wonderful. It’s okay not to be okay, and we really don’t have a lot of icons out there that let us know that. They may tweet and talk about mental health and the importance of it. But celebrities that actually show their mental status or even talk about their own level of happiness is far and few between. People think they’re happy all the time, and those that do say they’re not often get attacked because “why wouldn’t they be happy? They have fame, money, and everything?”
If you don’t see that Tae might be sad at a particular moment, or don’t think that vmin has a moment of tension, I guess that’s fine. But to say that it never happens is obviously false. Everyone gets sad sometimes, and everyone has tension with their closest friends.
That being said, those who go overboard and act like Tae is never happy or that vmin hate each other...yeah. That’s a bit much and needs to stop. Tae’s emotions are dynamic, and vmin love each other.
another mix of asks relates to
Do you think vmin are intentionally trying to friendzone themselves because they don’t want us to get suspicious? Or do you think they want us to know that they are only friends and shipping makes them uncomfortable?
Friendzone what? Like. What?
Regardless of what Tae and Chim are together, they are still best friends. The one thing that we confirm about their relationship is indeed that.
I really don’t think they ever say “he’s my best friend” in a “no-homo” kind of way, and that’s sort of what both scenarios presume. Two men can call each other “best friends” without having an implied “no-homo” label onto it.
And let me talk about this “no-homo” thing, okay? I’m not sure how many lgbt people are asking this question, but from my own lgbt perspective “no-homo” was always a little offensive to me. Like, why can’t you just give your bro a hug? Or why can’t you just say “I love you” to a friend? Are we really to the point where people have to say “no-homo” because they don’t want to give someone the wrong idea?
Honestly, my best straight male friend hugs me and tells me he loves me all the time, and he sometimes says “no-hetero” when he does it. And I love him to bits and pieces in a completely no-hetero kind of way because he started the joke because he realized how offensive the other statement was. At least, how much it bothered me regardless of how any other lgbt people felt about it.
Anyway. My point is, regardless of what kind of relationship vmin have together, I’m sure they say “he’s my best friend” because they are best friends. Regardless of any other labels they could have, they are best friends, and that’s what they want to let us know. I don’t think it has anything to do with dumbass “friendzoning” or “no-homo” shit. I don’t think they have some ulterior motive by simply stating that they are best friends.
And. Honestly. I if I asked my sister who her best friend is? She’d say her husband (or me lmao). If I asked my best friend who her best friend is? She’d say her husband (or me lmao). If I asked my straight male best friend? He’d say his wife (or me lmao). So. Again. My point is. Your significant other can be your best friend, and referring to them as such doesn’t mean you are friendzoning them.
It doesn’t mean that vmin is a real couple. It doesn’t mean that they’re not a real couple. It just means that, if they are, they’re obviously not going around introducing each other or talking about each other as boyfriends.
Where are y'all vmin users and analysts?? I need the vmin content back on my feed early in the morning while I'm waiting for the bus before work. Don't let the ji/kookers take over the vmin tag PLEASE! I need my dose of happiness 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Tae decided to pick 3 members for his team. Looking intensely at his left, where Jimin is seated...
...He picks Jungkook first. Of course, he’s the unbeatable golden Maknae.
AND HE JUST STARES PURPOSELY AT JIMIN. And Jimin is like, “nope, not looking, not affected at all”.
So he continues. He looks again on his left, saying he needs a brain...
...And picks Jin.
BUT it’s not over... because he looks on his left again when he says that he needs his fourth member.
AND HE FINALLY PICKS JIMIN. And he gives no explanation whatsoever. His muscles are Jungkook, his brain is Jin, and his soulmate is Jimin, that’s as simple as that. :p
And I love the fact that Jimin DOES NOT REACT AT ALL when Tae finally picks him, his smile just gets a little bigger. ♥️
He knows that his Tae loves teasing and did not doubt one second he would pick him eventually...
Even after tae vlive where he spoke so highly of his friendship with jimin solo stans are still finding a way to fight pitting vmin against each other. Its honestly makimg me so sad. What more do vmin have to do. They have already many times expressed how important they are to each other. Also pretending to knpw the members more than they know each other? All 7 of them have been together thro so many hardships. How can they all not love each other?
Ever since I have known BTS, one thing I'm very sure of is that everyone of them really love each other. They are very grateful to have found each other. They are all people from different walks of life who left their family and friends to pursue their dreams. They had to learn how to become a family and rely on each other. They have experienced both highs and lows together. They have seen each other at their worst but also at their best.
So it's a bit disheartening when fans begin to speculate that the 95liners are enemies or something. To be honest, we can't really blame some of these fans for thinking this way especially when you see how they sometimes act with each other on screen especially Taehyung and his aloofness towards Jimin but where i get dissatisfied is that when they finally show some kind of affection, it's been seen as a pretentious action.
Now, why do these people have this insinuation about Jimin and Taehyung?We aren't talking about other shippers here. We are talking about solo stans. That is, people who don't ship BTS with each other. Majority of them have fantasies of ending up romantically with their favorite BTS member. Majority of them are fan girls. Let's now ponder over some of the reasons these fans are always pitting Taehyung and Jimin against each other. Like I said before, we can't really blame them.
Firstly, it's one thing to say something but it's a totally different thing when it comes to actually doing it. Sometimes, the things they say don't always correlate with their actions. We'll take this latest vlive they promised to make for armies. It's been months now but nothing has been done. A solo stan will take it as them not liking each other. They will simply deduce that the reason they don't do vlives together is because they don't like to be in each other's company. Again, can't blame them because seriously, it's odd to the ordinary eye. They both claim to be best friends yet, something like Vlive is hard for them to do. However, a vmin shipper won't view it in such manner. What comes to our mind first is that they used to do vlives together before. What suddenly changed? To some of us, it could be as a result of a romantic interest brewing between them. To solos, it's because they had a falling out with each other and now, can't seem to see eye to eye anymore which also makes sense if you think about it. But when they spoke in their vlives, explaining about the dumpling incident and how their bond for each other grew deeper than before, we the shipping fans will believe them but the solos won't. To them, they feel like; okay that's fine but give us the vlive and prove that great friendship to us. But when nothing is done, it's a winning score for them. It's just another way to clarify their speculations of a rift in Vmin's relationship.
Another assumption is that vmin are hardly seen together. They have less screen time together. They hardly show physical affection for each other on screen. Then again, this is true but people seem to be blind to a lot of things. When Vmin decide to have PDA, they go all out especially Jimin. He is the king of PDA.
But there's a twist. What's so special about their relationship when they even have pda with other members in the group? Again, a win for them because no one can truly explain this.
Another assumption is that they are never seen together in public. Since they are best friends, how come we never see them together even once? At least, we have seen them hanging out with other members of their group at least once. They even post pictures and videos of themselves having a great time with their friends on social media. Why don't they do the same thing with each other?
To the outside eye, they seem less close to each other than the other members. There are some solos who might see it as a competition of superiority between the two of them. Some might even say that Taehyung is jealous of Jimin because of how successful he is in the group.
Now, we can't discredit these assumptions because they all seem reasonable but as people who ship vmin together either as friends or something more, we would think differently from them.
First of all, why did they change from doing vlives to avoiding it altogether. Even posting selfies with each other seems near to impossible. They don't do things that best friends tend to do with each other. They talk about how close they are but they don't really act out their closeness. Why?
To we the shippers, we feel that they have no choice. Talking about it is the most they can actually do. If two people truly don't like each other, what's the point of singing that they are soulmates and then talking fondly about each other?. The easiest thing to do would be to simply avoid anything that has to do with each other even bringing up the other person's name in conversations. After all, they've sang a song together, what more do people want?
Let me remind people that vmin's song friends wasn't meant to be in the 7 album. It was just something Jimin and Taehyung planned to do together. Jimin initiated it and Taehyung then went along with it. That song probably wouldn't have seen the surface of the earth. It was just for their ears only until a producer heard the song and felt it was good enough to be heard by the public (unlike Taehyung's Christmas song)
This producer encouraged Jimin to publicize the song and that was how friends came to be. If not, Vmin would have had a whole song to themselves and no one would have known about it. Now, they wouldn't have to be pressured by others to talk about it.
I don't understand how people would also forget so soon how important they are to each other especially during hard times. Jimin has more than once expressed his love and affection for Taehyung. We aren't talking about the normal hugs and caresses. For example, when both Taehyung's grandparents died, Jimin was there. Not like the other members weren't there as well, but there was just a special way in which he comforted Taehyung both times.
Recently, Taehyung was also reminded of his grand mother's death and Jimin comforted him sweetly.
Even if you don't ship them romantically, at least recognize this bond of theirs.
It's also a well known fact that Jimin and Taehyung are hardly ever seen together but for a fact, when they are seen by staffs outside of BTS, no one can deny how unbelievably close they are.
These are all what people who have the opportunity to meet Bts off screen have to say about Vmin and as you can see, it's not all too platonic. Most times, seeing them together actually leaves people in shock.
Bottom line is you don't have to be glued to each other twenty four seven for one to be aware of your bond. Just the little things are enough.
Why is it so? We shouldn't forget the bon voyage letter Taehyung wrote for Jimin. It was so emotional and heartfelt that he even ended up crying after reading it out loud. It was like everything he had ever wanted to say to Jimin, he let them all out at that moment. According to that letter, he felt like he wasn't investing as much as Jimin was in their friendship. He felt sorry for that and used the letter as an opportunity to pour out his feelings.
Jimin in turn was happy to hear that. He later explained in an interview that no one else would understand why Taehyung cried and how he finally understood what Taehyung wanted to say 😐The trip had enabled them to understand how they feel about each other. (No matter how you look at it, those are pretty strong words)
Again, we see this recurrence in friends lyrics.
I know everything about you
We gotta trust each other
Never forgot
More than the plain “thank you”
You and me
Here, it seems that they want to remind each other to communicate more. Instead of mere thank yous, they should show more appreciation for each other. Probably with more action than words so It's obvious, they want their relationship to be better and stronger. What would be the need to work on a relationship or a friendship that doesn't even exist?
As for being envious of each other's success or competing with each other, I'm just going to point out a lyric from friends again.
One day when this cheer dies down, stay (Ayy), hey (Ayy)
You are my soulmate
For eternity, keep staying here, stay (Ayy), hey (Ayy)
It's like they know that whatever success they're enjoying right now would one day be gone. One day, a new generation will take over and replace them, so competing against each other doesn't mean anything right now. So really what's the need to be jealous?
Now, from what I see, Friends is a song with a lot of hidden meanings. With friends, we can understand a bit more about them. It's like you can't see these things but they want to show you a glimpse of their real relationship. How they really are with each other. It's okay if you want to ignore it or accept it. It's up to you. As far as they know, they've already said it. They are soulmates.
For solo stans, this doesn't correlate with what they see on camera. To them, why does Taehyung act so cold to Jimin if they are friends? It can only mean one thing. They are pretending.
Now, everyone has their own opinion. Either to believe in their bond or not to. Just as how we vmin shippers insist that Vmin are close, solos won't accept it no matter how much we try to prove it to them.
Likewise, we won't accept it if they in turn show us evidences that Vmin aren't close. It's just like that. Everyone has their own beliefs, their own opinions. It's either you stick to yours or get swayed by the others. So the important thing is what do you really believe? Do you believe Vmin's relationship is fake or do you believe they are real. As for me, I have my own beliefs which I won't force others to accept so everyone is free to say or do what ever they want. It's only time that will tell.
Sorry for the late response. Anyway, Have a great day ahead everyone!
Hey dear, I want you to just hear me out. When Jimin released Face off. I got a feeling that this song was about Tae and that it was a break up song and that is the reason why I think Tae never Hyped Jimin’s album. What if “ I wish you could love me again” by Tae was a reply to Face off. This is just my thought.
Nothing is impossible... They do have interactions after Face where they seemed fine though. And I remember Tae saying he was excited/waiting for it too before the release. Anyways, as usual we just don't have enough of the pieces to really know anything. All we can do is guess... Personally I don't really lean either way regarding the songs being about each other. What I do think is that no matter if the songs are about each other or not I stil think they are friends and at the very least civil with each other.
Thanks for the ask, and let's wait and see and hope Vmin haven't been through anything too angsty. ❤️
Now this is a topic I have been a bit afraid to touch. But I have gotten several asks about it, and I do have thoughts about the subject. I don’t think this will be a very fun read, but even so I always strive to be as honest as I can and I don’t want to ignore it either. I think no matter what I say there will be some readers who will end up disappointed, but I hope this post at least explains my take properly and that you can understand my reasoning.
Edit. Forgot one ask I'll add it when I get to my computer next time. For now this is what it said:
the jennie and tae rumors are increasing and while i wish this would mean tkkers would be a little more quiet of course they’re going down the opposite path by approaching it like larrys to their s/os dear lord
First of all sorry for being silent, I started this post and then got covid for 3 weeks. I also think the fact that we simply get less content from BTS is going to mean less content from the fan creators to some extent as well.
To be frank, the easiest explanation for the rumors is that indeed Tae and Jennie are together. At this point there are just a lot of various photos of them together as well as photos from matching places (including the one of Tae on a bed that matches with Jennie’s pillows and covers you mentioned anon) and the timing of clothes they have worn and them being in the same places around the same time seem to indicate the realness of them. Of course the photos could be edited, but with even bruises on Tae’s legs matching it feels like there are too many details overlapping for all of them to be edited. On top of that we of course have the IG follow (accidental or not) from Tae, Tae going with Lisa to Paris and then going to New York at the same time as BP and being rumored to be at their listening party. Lastly we also have the silence from both companies.
Logically, the easiest explanation is usually the most likely one. That being said, of course Tae and Jennie being a couple is not the only option, I personally simply think it’s the easiest explanation for what we have seen and heard at this point. I am not going to dive deeply into each picture or analyze if it’s real or not, because honestly I rather simply speak about the possibilities of this being real or not and what each possibility could mean. I want to be open-minded, and especially as a Vmin shipper I don’t want to try to find reasons to believe or not believe. I’ll just wait and see.
A rumor is still a rumor and as of now it’s not yet confirmed, so while I think it’s possible I won’t say it’s definite.
For me it doesn’t matter much if it is true or not though, as long as Taehyung is happy. I am glad that we got the live interaction of Jimin and Taehyung because even though I have always been confident in Vmin’s bond no matter the type I do feel that it will remind other people that Vmin are as close (and even clingy) as ever.
(I mean, not only did Tae keep commenting and Jimin kept talking to him during the live, we also learned Jimin got the moon phases added to his first tattoo becuase of a fanart Tae showed him. Also Tae confirmed to look at Jimin fanart everyone.)
Basically regardless of the truth I remain of the opinion that Vmin is Vmin, and they love each other and are each other’s soulmates and that isn’t going to change even if they date other people.
Now I’ll talk through some of my personal reflections and reactions to the rumors, but mind you they are all over the place, because again, I don’t like to come to any definite conclusion when nothing is confirmed.
Honestly, I must say even just a BTS member dating a Black Pink member seems so unreal to me. Simply because of the odds of two members of the most popular groups in Kpop actually ending up together outside of fanfiction and fan theories seems so unlikely. Especially since this ship has been popular for years and they happen to be two of the most influential people in all of Kpop. Not that it means it can’t be real, it just seems so weird to happen after so many years of fans “wanting it”.
Admittedly Jennie is probably the BP member I have the least interest in, but somehow she and I must have similar tastes because at this point she has allegedly dated three of my ultimate biases; Kai (EXO), GD (Big Bang) and now Tae. I remember when the Kai and Jennie dating was revealed by Dispatch and I also remember wondering if it was a PR relationship, though I can’t really remember where that feeling came from besides from how short lived it was. I think maybe they were also doing promo for things around that time?
Anyways, the point is that with Kai and Jennie the rumor was confirmed (fairly quickly at that) even though they broke up shortly after, and while the agencies said they didn’t know they said they would look into it. (Though I think if Dispatch already had pictures likely the companies were informed before the photos got released.) (Some articles on it X and X). SM later confirmed, while I think YG stayed silent. So at least in this sense it could match up with their reaction to the Tae x Jennie rumors. But I still don’t understand why they wouldn’t confirm if it is real.
I also remember the private photos of Jennie and GD being spread and honestly I think Jennie must be pretty bad at keeping things secret at this point.
The one thing I will say about the pictures leaked of Tae and Jennie is that if this person who keeps leaking personal photos has so many photos then why are there not any decent ones showing both of the idols faces? I mean, if they take photos together without worrying then I would personally assume there should be some cute couple ones where their faces are very clear. But again, maybe this person is leaking these other photos for some reason, or maybe Tae and Jennie are careful enough to wear masks for couple photos but not careful enough to not take couple photos to begin with?
I am mostly saying this because it didn’t seem to apply with the private circulating photo of Jennie and G-dragon, though in it they don’t act like a couple you can very clearly see both of their faces.
Speaking of GD though, his behavior in this whole mess has also been a bit weird... Liking posts about him and Jennie as a couple? But also unfollowing people and commenting on weird things? Of course it could be fans making edits or something, but if it’s real it’s just another weird layer to it all. Either way G-dragon is also getting some media attention because of this rumor. (Article X)
I am no expert in Korean dating culture, nor in how celebrities and their companies handle rumors, but I do think it’s weird that we haven’t gotten any proper statements yet except “it’s difficult to confirm because it’s the artists’ personal lives” basically. When Dispatch is the one confirming I think they usually check in with the companies first, but in this situation all the pictures come from a random person who keeps leaking more and more photos. It’s odd that they simply let the person keep going, not to mention that most of the photos (if real) are obviously from the idol’s own personal phone (Jennie’s) which is a horrible breach of privacy that one would think they would do something about. Of course they might be doing something behind closed doors, but nonetheless it has been going on for a long time now with new photos or rumors every other day.
For me I don’t understand why the companies would let it continue on like this with more and more photos being leaked, which regardless of the rumors being true or not is a big offense against the artists. Even if the photos are fake this is something that could harm both individuals, but perhaps especially Jennie as it seems the person is even leaking other private photos of her. Again, real or not this is simply not something that should be allowed to go on for this long. I personally think this is weird and very poorly handled by the companies, especially if these photos are real.
Sure Hybe hasn't had any similar situations before, but it's their job to deal with and take care of things like this all the same. Being sloppy or unsure how to proceed is possible but for how long are they just gonna let it go on?
By now surely they must have talked to Jennie and Tae, because of the nature of the leak, and if they are together and don’t want to confirm then fine... It could explain the silence, but then I hope that at least behind closed doors they are trying to do something about it. For me if they are together and considering how easily the Jennie x Kai rumor was confirmed I don’t see how confirming would bring more harm at this point rather than letting the leaks continue. I think most fans would simply offer sympathy. The only reasons I can think of for them to keep quiet is if the rumors are not true but they gain from the rumors, or the rumors are true but Tae and Jennie don’t want to confirm or that the companies think they have more to gain by not confirming despite the drama (like free PR and not angering shippers).
When it comes down to it there are only a few possible options (though they all allow various reasons for how it's been handled).
The rumors are true. Tae and Jennie are dating and the rest is all just the companies handling it all weirdly.
The photos and all of the rumors are fake, but they still won’t confirm anything.
The photos (at least some of them) are real, but they are not in a relationship.
The third option can in turn be developed with various angles, for example they are just friends (though that also seems weird considering the type of photos), but in this case keeping silent I feel would only be for another purpose, like the relationship is created/used for PR and/or the relationship is a sort of bearding/cover.
PR relationships are actually quite common, though I do think less so amongst idols simply because dating in general is not seen as a very positive thing. Even so, relationships can be used as promoting groups or activities and creates a lot of attention and buzz. A relationship that is real can of course also be used for PR, which we should keep in mind.
To me the timing of this relationship and the silence from the companies is what I think indicates they are using the rumor for PR purposes, no matter if it’s real or not.
Not confirming in itself might also be a decided PR move, to let the rumors be talked about and engage fans in speculation to gain more attention. Even so, I do think it’s odd that so little has been said about the rumors officially and it does leave room for deniability in the future. (If they actually are together with other people this is especially important to not let the rumors be clear lies told by the idols if the truth comes out in the future).
If the relationship is real I do think it will be confirmed at some point ahead (unless they break up before such a point is reached). I say this mostly based on 3 things. 1. Jennie and Kai already had their relationship confirmed. 2. If it’s a serious relationship (which I feel Tae being who he is it would be) then they would likely want to confirm at some point to show it’s serious. 3. The rumors have been going on for so long now that most fans seem to accept them and even say “just let them be already” meaning if they are afraid of fans’ reactions it has already started to accept the possibility more (as often happens with time). Basically if this all keeps going for a long time if it is real I will start to expect some kind of confirmation or at the very least more sightings etc. from more sources rather than just this one person who has been leaking things.
If nothing is ever said regarding Tae and Jennie and new rumors with other people or a confirmation of them being single appears it’s possible they used this for PR and either created the rumor for buzz, or rode along with it.
For me one of the most interesting questions about these rumors is about the timing. Why now?
The fact that it has all surfaced and been reported on along other individual projects with Taehyung being promoted, as well as around the time of BP having activities is always a PR red flag so to speak. Not that it can’t be genuine, but for example rumors of Tae showing up to the BP listening party or him being in New York at the same time as they do promotion etc. will mean the articles can advertise activities along with the rumors. Tae having an official appearance with Lisa during this period is another clear example or co-promotion for both groups even outside of the rumors that seems rather convenient with the timing.
I have yet to post it, but one part of my big Vmin analysis brings up Tae’s (and Jimin’s) individual personality and how I think he would be and think about a relationship. In that post I explain that Tae seems to be the type that wants to be as open as possible with most things. About who he is, but also if possible with who he loves. To me this is one of the reasons I can see Tae out of all members being less careful if he actually is in a relationship. He simply wouldn’t care much if people didn’t like it, because to him his true fans will accept it and be happy for him, and being truthful and happy is more important than the idol image. Of course it is a difficult subject, but with BTS being more “separate” as individuals it could now be different and Tae might have fewer reasons to hide his love life. Similarly to how fans have started to accept his smoking and it being his choice, eventually fans will get used to and accept the idea that he is dating. This could be one explanation to why the rumors have shown up now, and not before, even if members have had relationships before. Tae might simply be less careful about it. His reply about the accidental follow contradicts this a bit though, but that whole thing is also part of how all this started, so who knows if it was accidental or not.
I am going to be perfectly honest here, I would still be surprised if Tae is 100% straight and has never had a crush on Jimin. But the possibility is and always has been there. I might simply have convinced myself with my own analyses and theories to the point that it’s difficult to imagine Tae as anything else but in love with Jimin (I mean, you have seen what Tae does, Jimin is clearly very special to him). But again, that’s why I have to try even harder to remember that it’s still based on my interpretation, as well as my biases, and I might have gotten all of it (or some of it) completely wrong.
One of the things that I have been thinking about in regards to Vmin in particular with this rumor coming about is the possibility of “bearding”.
Now, I don’t really like to jump at this reason simply because it feels very much like an act of cognitive dissonance being a driving force. Basically as a Vmin shipper I might want to try to find reasons for the rumors that still allow my view of Vmin as a couple to remain intact. This is a danger I have spoken about myself before and I need to follow my own advice. (BTS&Vmin analysis pt. 3 - Problems with analysis of real people (part 1)) As one anon mentioned, this type of behavior also seems to be happening within the tae/kook community.
Bearding is a possibility but my main thought about this option is once again “Why now?” I mean, we know that BTS have all been rumored to be gay or have extreme shippers who believe members to be gay or in relationships with each other etc. but we have never seen any relationships with any of them before.
The only reason I could see bearding being a possibility is if something else is to happen that might in opposite to the Tae x Jennie rumors spark really big suspicions of members being gay. In particular about Tae of course, but also possibly Jimin if we look at a Vmin perspective. Despite it being close to their likely to happen military service it’s possible that there could still be things released that might make more people speculate about a LGBT+ connection for them.
I want to add onto this with a few new updates with Vmin in particular, as they came out after these thoughts of “what could trigger the need for a beard?” were already in my head.
First it was the live interactions, as mentioned above, it indicated Vmin still going strong. And secondly, and more poignant, when I saw Jimin’s Photo-Folio concept photos and his “color: freedom” theme matched with him being an angel in the colors of the Bi flag, I must say this speculation was a bit triggered in me. (Even if this is still all just speculative about what Jimin actually is saying)
But alas it would talk a lot more than that for there to be a reason to shield Tae in particular with a fake girlfriend rumor even if Jimin was to actually come out as LGBT+ officially. Especially with the other two maknae ships being much more popular anyways it’s unlikely the fandom would jump at Tae being LGBT+ and together with Jimin based on what Jimin does in regards to his own sexuality. So with that being said, IF this whole thing is a bearding situation I think something else that is more directly connected to Tae would have to be revealed. Maybe with his own Me, Myself and Taehyung concept?
My first thought in regards to something being released that calls for a beard though was if perhaps KTH1 is going to include more songs about love, and perhaps even use even more possible themes we already connect to Vmin? If so, having a possible love relationship for Tae there for fans to think of top of mind would make some sense. Again, this is the Vmin angle of this whole thing, but I still want to remind you this is all wild speculation. But as a Vminie, and as an analyzer I wanted to include these speculations as they did pop into my head.
These rumors have been all over the place and honestly I am kind of hoping it will all come to some end sooner rather than later. I especially think this very weird person who leaks things should just stop stirring things up and sharing things that aren’t theirs to share, or alternatively spreading lies for attention (planned by the companies for PR or done on the whim of a very disturbing individual doesn’t matter). I will surely notice if more developments regarding the rumor happens, but for now I am not that invested with more of the same coming out and rather wait until we actually get something more official. Basically I am just writing all of this to say "Let's wait and see".
Lastly, I wonder if people will still be interested in my Vmin analyses. As you know I have been working on the big one and was about to post a new chapter to Tumblr when these rumors and BTS’s whole hiatus put a bit of a stop to it. I don’t know if I should keep posting like usual, but honestly I do think a lot of the analysis is an interesting read no matter if Vmin is real or not. As you probably know I’ve always written analyses with the stance that Vmin might just be friends and that’s fine, their bond is still incredible and very interesting to look closer at. Also as I said nothing is confirmed, and Vmin are in the end still suspicious with a lot of things I haven’t talked about properly in posts yet. But let me know what you think, maybe you all find it weird for me to keep writing ship analysis for Vmin with everything that is going on.
Anyways, this wasn’t the easiest post to make and likely not the most fun to read either, so if you made it this far thank you. I hope you see my points.
Also, let's enjoy demon/angel Jimin and focus on things that bring us joy rather than giving these rumors more attention.
I’m intoxicated and I need the next chapter on patreon. I’m dying. That’s not a friendship hug like AT ALL.
Oh god. 🙃 I am so sorry for being slow. But yeah, the whole hiatus news followed by the dating rumors kind of made me stop and wonder what to do for a while. I am still not done with the next part and I know it's taking way too long. 😫 Hmmm..... I don't know if sharing the introduction to the next analysis chapter I'll post on Patreon is gonna help or make things worse. Either way I am glad you seem to be so excited about it. Here is a short teaser. 💜
(please don't die 💜)
In my latest post I also wondered if people would still be interested in my analysis. And I got a lot of replies saying they still want to read. So thank you everyone for letting me know, and for liking my content so much. 💜 I'll try to go back to focusing on writing again now that I feel that people are still interested.
Also thank you to Vmin for the flood of great moments these last few weeks. ❤️
