#weather glider

[coldtomyflash]

Have you seen the fanvid "Fix You" for Lisa Snart and Mark Mardon? They're a rare pair (really rare), but kind of interesting to think about. After reading your profile post on Mark, I'd love to know what you think a relationship between him and Lisa would be like. You mentioned how he seems to do better with a voice of reason to keep him in check. In "Rogue Time", Lisa was shown to have a calming effect on Mick. Do you think she would have this same calming effect on Mark, too? :)

I’m not even gonna lie, I resisted answering this for a while because I don’t especially like the Coldplay song “Fix You” and I assumed that’s what song this fan vid would use ^^; Apparently it’s set to “Everglow” so I needn’t have worried.

To be honest, I don’t ship it? I can see how/why they’d work, based on what you said, and if we go on Lisa’s comics characterization for how savage and cutthroat she can be, how destructive, I can see how she’d fit with CW Mark and his tendency toward collateral damage of innocent life. 

With her CW characterization which is a little softer, it’s hard to say what effect she’d have on Mark though. I can see her refusing to work with him based on his tendency toward that collateral damage, actually, but if he could reign it in then I can see her respecting his capacity for violence. I don’t think she’d ever want to be with someone who’s a loose canon though, who tends toward unpredictable violence, and Mark currently fits that bill quite a bit. I could see them flirting, her challenging him, but I think it would take some serious development before I could see them in a relationship?

I could totally see them working together though, and doing so well, and her reigning him in in that capacity, so I won’t say that I don’t see a “path forward” so to speak? And I’d say there was a hint of flirting in 1x22 (Rogue Air) with them smirking and posturing a bit.

(This might also be my bias toward goldenvibe and my interpretation that CW Lisa is drawn to sweeter guys who she doesn’t find threatening).

[coldtomyflash]

About Lisa and Mark: Personally, I can see a friendship happening between the two despite his past actions. (I mean, look at what Leonard and Mick have done: derailed a train, froze Cisco's brother's hands, almost blew up Caitlin, etc). Their relationship could be friendly and flirty, but nothing physical. I imagine he'd have no problem listening to Lisa as he's less combative with women. Leonard would notice this and rely on Lisa to keep Mark in line. (Come on, Rogues! Assemble already...)

I mean, can see a friendship, definitely? Lisa’s friends with some pretty morally dubious folks. That’s a bit different than genuinely shipping them, in my books? My concerns weren’t really about anything physical either (I can honestly see them being physical much easier than I can see them being emotionally involved to be totally honest).

To address your other points:

Leaving aside Cisco (Dante) and Caitlin as targeted strategy (if evil nonetheless), it’s hard for me to objectively (un-biasedly) compare between Len and the train (in 1x04) and Mark and James and the bombs (in 2x09) for me sometimes. On the one hand, innocent lives including kids on that train. On the other, Len fully (and correctly) predicted Barry would save them all. Mark and James deliberately targeted children and infants to use as leverage though, which somehow feels worse to me, even though I’m sure they predicted the Flash would capitulate so they wouldn’t have to activate the bombs? (Though I honestly think CW James would have set them off regardless, given half a chance, but that’s not on Mark). Mark’s tsunami headed toward the city would have killed a lot of people too, and he wasn’t aiming for someone to stop that and wasn’t using it as a one-up mechanism. But that tsunami doesn’t even exist in this timeline so...

Anyway, I get the general point that Lisa has a high tolerance for associating with people who commit some serious evil. I mean, I also think her presence softens her brother a bit and of course she’s gonna have a blindspot for him, but I’m not trying to pretend that Lisa is in any way ignorant to these acts of violence or that she expects moral righteousness from her peers.

I think it comes down in part to how I interpret the characters, and also my own preference for ships where people balance each other out rather than ones where they’re similar? Because I do interpret Lisa and Mark as having some neat differences and similarities but honestly, I can see them ramping each other up more than balancing each other out. 

While some people probably interpret them as more of a balancing force for each other (like you suggested, she might be able to help keep him in line), I can honestly see it going the opposite way depending on the situation. They’re both vengeful and intense and a bit vain? And I think they’d goad each other on a bit in those respects, which might spiral in a bit of a toxic way.

So I’m sure it depends on what aspects of their characters people focus on and bring to light? Like I’m definitely not saying the ship is unrealistic or invalid or anything like that, I just don’t personally go in for it as a long term sort of romance?