I just saw what you said about loralie (lorelie?) and I totally agree! finally someone feels the same way I do and doesn't worship her!
like, I'm sorry, but she wasn't a good mom. she was a fun person to grow up with for rori, but I can't think of a single situation where she was acting like a parent where it wasn't fuelled by some self-centered motive.
she didn't like the mirror jess held up to her face when he called her out, so she was being protective over rori and didn't want her to date him.
she refused to ask her parents for help to send her kid to a good school, that she could very much afford if she just got her head out of her ass and tried to have some sort of relationship with her parents.
honestly, her whole 'I also had a difficult upbringing so don't try and tell me what's it like' attitude is disgusting. you didn't have a difficult upbringing, you were a child who made mistakes and got mad when your parents forced you to face the consequences of your actions. and yes, sometimes their approach to things wasn't okay, but she didn't even give them a chance once she was an adult to make things right. she decided they were evil manipulative people who wanted to control her every move, when basing these opinions on the way she saw her parents as a child, so no matter what Emily and Richard did they did it bc they hated her, apparently. and not just parents who were trying their best to help their daughter and grandchild and have them in their lives, no matter how wrong they sometimes are. they were just tying their best.
the whole Dean thing was super weird as well. like basically forcing them into a date, then staying with them for said date, getting mad at rori when she and Dean had sex for the first time and she didn't come running to tell her. at some point I think she was suddenly against their relationship if I remember correctly, and then suddenly she was trying to force them together again bc she didn't like jess.
also the way she reacted when rori decided to travel europe, or to put school on hold for a semester bc she wasn't doing well. or whenever rori didn't come running to her to tell her something. she always reacted like a child who got told they can't have a 3rd piece of cake, and not like an adult. let alone a mother.
God, this turned into this whole anti lorelie rant, which I did not expect to happen. but I just have so many thoughts on lorelie and you're the first person I saw who actually agreed with the basis of why I don't like her
im gonna preface this by saying that i do like lorelai, i don't hate her.
no because i agree with you! my main issue is i feel like she missed out on childhood and was making up for it by living vicariously through rory, and because of this, whenever rory did something lorelai didn't want her to, they had a fight. also, anytime rory made a mistake, it would be blown out-of-proportion and she would have earn forgiveness. being fun is amazing and i do think she is a very competent human being in general but she is also just so immature (and im not talking about when she's being cute, i mean immature with rory).
like right now im on s6, and they are not talking because rory's dropped out. to me, that makes so much sense because that girl is Burnt Out, but nope lorelai wants her to be perfect and live the dream and have everything. you can't force someone to have something if they don't want it! she doesn't even tell her about her engagement, and takes everything everyone is doing around her in bad faith.
i will say i do think richard and emily are controlling and i get why she holds a grudge against them, but if she wants to cut contact then cut it fully. you can't have it both ways - help me whenever my daughter and i are in a bind but im still not going to forgive you and i will shit-talk you. she also is so uncomfortable with being from a rich family, and i think being self-aware about money is extremely important, but the way she approaches the whole thing and acts as if she has renounced the wealth fully makes me mad. like no you have a huge safety net and always will. you are rich and generational wealth is real.
