#wild idol

[hourlyhoon]

im dying but holy im gonna cry he's so (first 4 cropped by me)

[sanstropfremir]

Hello i hope you don't mind but in your opinion what do you think makes a good survival show. I know you talked about wild idol and 0 year 0 class but i wanted your in depth thoughts on the topic.

ohhhh i looooooove when people indulge my bullshit god bless you anons. before i talk about what makes a good survival show, i want to illustrate why the produce format makes a bad survival show. and we can start that by asking a question:

why is fan voting allowed?

obviously you can give the typical answer of 'if fans are engaged than it will drive up numbers' and that the shows are basically only made for fan engagement because we all know that kpop is profoundly and tragically numbers driven at the end of the day, but let's instead live in a world where the producers who pitch and head these shows actually want to make a talented group. so why are the fans involved? at all? sorry to say it, but fans are stupid. they aren't trained professionals in this field, so do you actually think they're going to be thinking carefully about the trainees that they see on screen every week and how their skills fit together? about the fundamentals of group direction and management? no of course they aren't, they're just going to vote blindly for their precious meow meow of the week. so already, we're at a deficit. and if you include the fact that these companies will rig the shows to their own biases (that are not artistically motivated), a double deficit.

second issue: the 'challenges'. they're trash. yes you do want to test an idol's vocal and dance skills, but just because you put a group of the most talented people in a room together does not mean that they will get along or have good chemistry. a huge part of being in a performance group (of any kind) is how well you communicate with each other, and that requires you to know how to compromise, how to be kind, how to take feedback, how to work collaboratively. but when you run trainees through week after week wringers of difficult choreo and tough vocals with very short deadlines, how can you expect them to actually be able to internalize and act upon any of these other skills? they may on a surface level, but the priority is not placed on it. AND when you add individualized voting into the mix, trainees have no incentive to actually meaningfully work together.

what makes wild idol and 0year 0class different from this typical formula is that the emphasis of both these shows was actually on making a well rounded group, so the shows were structured in order to faciliate that happening. both had limited trainee numbers (wild idol 40ish down to 16 in the third episode, 0y0c 15), have little to no fan voting (none for 0y0c, only in the last few rounds for wild idol) and both had challenges that were about testing 'non traditional' idol skills (throwing fuckin logs around, doing fashion shows and photoshoots, writing poetry/rap, doing a lot of repetition, etc). personally i think 0y0c is the better show in general because it does everything the way i would do it, but also it would never be watched by a korean audience so i think wild idol is the best a korean survival show is gonna get.

the difference that makes the biggest impact on how effective i think 0y0c over wild idol is the fact that the producer (avu chan) is a significant part of the show itself. she's literally there with the trainees in every episode, giving them assignments and evaluating them, talking to them about the issues they're having and why they aren't succeeding. there's discussions with her about why she chose to do the show and what type of group she wants to make, she's incredibly transparent about what characteristics she's looking for in the trainees and also about how difficult the industry is; the tagline of the show is 'welcome to your nightmare' bc that's literally what she told the group in the first episode. she's honest about the fact that it's hard, that you will have to work with people you don't like, that you will be rejected many many times, and that people won't always like you. she puts them through challenges that are meant to bring out how well the trainees understand themselves and also give them opportunities to grow and develop into well rounded people with good communication and emotional skills. watching 0y0c actually made me realize that i sincerely believe that the lack of a visible producer with a goal in kpop survival shows is actually a huge reason why i don't think they work. 99.9% of these shows are transparently just making groups to make money, so they have no artistic focus, no creative leader, no drive except to be the lowest common denominator to get the most fans. why wild idol worked for me was bc the producer was clearly trying to make a 4th gen group in the second gen model. even though it wasn't explicitly stated by anyone, the mentors they brought in, the songs they had them cover, even the styles of original songs they did, made that very obvious. i know people say kpop isn't supposed to be serious but like. the people who make it, the fans who enjoy it, we ALL deserve to have something with creativity and drive to enjoy, not just a race to the bottom of the capitalist money pit.

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⠀ ❨⠀⠀⠀⠀gunwook ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀있 ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀boчs plᥲnᥱt ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀#︎★★ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ıc♡ns  ⠀!

[geonppangi]

ik gunwook is probably going to be main rapper of zb1, but pls i am begging for them to let this boy sing. i can't keep crying over the same wild idol video. at least let him release a few covers or something.

his voice is just too good and i'm so sad that we barely got to see him sing in boys planet

[shineemoon]

MINHO on MBC Wild Idol (Behind📸)

[kpopwinemom]

The gay mafia! (The two best characters in Imitation.) Left: Choi Jongho of Ateez, right PARK YURI on Wild Idol) This is the screen grab I keep going back to of them because they matched their hair to each other's sweatshirts...your honor this is GAY.

@nyanja14 and @halotolerant I posted this here for you so you guys can see this pic in larger and not in tiny as my icon size LOL

5 Hilarious "Imitation" Moments Between ATEEZ's JongHo And Park YuRi

Popular webtoon turned K-Drama "Imitation," is slowly but surely coming to the end with the final episode airing on Jul. 23. Fans are sad to

[niaoniaos]

220311 // sunghyuk

[ravenbloodshot]

Im Joo An-T.A.N (aka Wild Idols) Personality Reading

-"He knows how to work those girls hearts out of there chest" aka he's charming asf, probably could easily convince a girl to put down her guard or her panties lol

-He could easily convince girls to sleep with him or do things for him but I sense he doesnt do that. He REALLY could if he wanted to, I'm serious, he's a smooth talker and very charming but Joo doesnt use his charm for things like that

-Joo may use his charm and seduction as a way to mask how he really feels for an example if a fan was harassing him, he would still smile prettily at them and play nice

-I dont think Joo likes ppl touching him whether that's fans, strangers, members or even family. It makes him highly uncomfortable. Even with a lover I sense it would take a while before he would let you hold his hand or anything like that

-He gets easily frustrated and takes that out on others. His frustration can impact others and annoy others bc he can start arguments or do things like quit practicing choreo and run off somewhere, knowing that he needs to master the choreography not only for himself but for the group. So he can also be selfish

-This guy is deeply insecure and may have been badly hurt in the past

-Joo can have very dark and depressive thoughts and he puts himself down a lot

-Hes quite pessimistic and cynical, never thinks his wealth or fame would ever be good enough for him. May believe he himself isn't good enough if he gains a lot of fame

-Joo is really strict with himself and transfers that energy onto others as well, this is one of the ways he starts arguments (like he would criticize others for small things like the way people wear their clothes or something)

-Joo probably grew up in a highly religious, conservative house hold

- He has a high sex drive but I sense he struggles with what to do with all of that sexual energy.

El Dorado by Stellar is a song that fits Im Joo An's personality