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hey so if dark fountains causes objects to come to life, where do the objects in the dark worlds come from? I've been mulling over the chair page from the spamton sweepstakes in my head and I have some interesting ideas I wanna put down for me to reference later, like my layer theory last time.

So, one thing's for certain, the ferris wheel in Cyber World was created from the poster on the back wall. We don't know if the ferris wheel was alive but i'm willing to place a safe bet that it wasn't. If tangible objects become living things, then by all means that poster should have become a sort of living object with a ferris wheel theme, but that's not what happened, we got a ferris wheel instead.

furthermore, kris's sword is a pencil and susie's axe is heavily implied to be a hairbrush, so those are also objects that remained objects but changed form rather than coming to life upon entering the dark fountain. I'm trying to dig at this and figure out these two rules:

What determines if an object comes to life or becomes a different object?

What determines what object something will become when exposed to a dark fountain if it isn't going to come to life?

For Spamton's EX body and the ferris wheel, both of those were images of the things they eventually became in the dark world. From these two i could see the both rules being something akin to: objects that just refer to another object become that object in a dark world. So an image of a ferris wheel, referring to a ferris wheel, would simply become a ferris wheel in a dark world. but that instantly excludes the pencil and hairbrush as these are standalone objects that make no reference to anything [subject to change as chapters get released obviously].

So, i just took a 10 minute detour to look up some stuff and it seems like Kris starts the game with the pencil equipped in their weapon slot and I think that's all I really needed to know: the pencil has an association with being a weapon b/c it's equipped to kris's weapon slot. If you're talking about the pencil in deltarune you're referring to kris's weapon... so the pencil, being a reference to a weapon, becomes a weapon in the dark world.

I'm going to assume that this is how the rules work going forward in this post. If an object refers to something, it becomes that thing in the dark world. What i really want to know using this information is multifold:

If my layer theory is correct, would a picture of a something in the real world become that thing in the light world, then come to life in the dark world?

What happens if something in the dark world dies and thus becomes a non-living object?

What happens if you create an object that refers to something in a dark world? What does it become when brought to the light world?

...what happens if you inject DT into an object in a dark world to bring it to life? What does it become when brought into the light world?

We know what happens when something living is exposed to a dark fountain, it gets smaller and changes aesthetically, but otherwise remains the same person. If you were to go one layer up from that living being you'd end up with the object form of that being. For Spamton it's spam mail, for Susie it's the code that makes her function. Assumedly, one layer above that would have to be an object that makes reference to that, so in spamton's case it would be the code that lets you examine the spam emails that became spamton.

... so what of the case of berdly in the weird route?

He's either frozen to death or encased in ice when you close the fountain. If he died and thus became an object, his light world counterpart would be an object that refers to berdly's frozen body. If he was just encased in the ice, not dead but just unconscious, then we would have to determine if the ice itself is in reference to something. If not, then it would become an object that refers to the icy crystal. if the icy crystal IS an object that refers to something then it would become something else entirely in the light world, something we don't know about. It could be reasonably argued that the crystal is snow that is a grave, it is an ice crystal that refers to a grave.

Over the course of the last week i've been trying to figure out what objects that become other objects when moved down a layer become when moved up a layer. in berdly's case it seems like the next step up is a concept. The ice crystal that refers to a grave becomes the idea that berdly's current state is like being frozen in a death-like state. it's a conceptual ice prison that he's stuck in.

If this is the case then the flow would be concept > object that refers to something > object previously referred to > living object > smaller living object with aesthetic differences > repeat previous.

Theoretically, the Angel is a concept that's spoken frequently about in game, in even the light world. Therefor, if a dark world were to be created somewhere in or around the church, you might find an object that refers to the angel, like a scripture or tome, then if you were to somehow go down a layer further... into a darker world perhaps... you might find an angel (object). and if you went one layer further down into a yet darker world, you may finally find yourself face to face with The Angel. But that's just a theory, it's not like there's evidence that we might be trying to go a layer deeper and create dark fountains in dark worlds right guys? right?

So, there's a chair here. Or at least, it was a chair before it started to get "darker than dark" according to the lovely chair page from the spamton sweepstakes. This is where my layer theory kinda falls apart a bit, but just needs a bit of expanding. There's more than 3 layers, and they just keep going deeper and deeper getting darker and darker the further down you go. I'd like to think that the fact that the concept to living object pipeline is exactly four layers including the starting one lining up with "dark, darker, yet darker" is perfectly lined up on purpose but there's so little to it that i can't say for sure.

This theory also gets a big tricky if you consider that means that the concept of someone who lives in layer 2 (light world) like asgore would exist as a prevalent concept in layer -1... which could theoretically be true but there's no way to know since i labelled the real world as layer 1. So i think i want to rework my layers, i think. This gargantuan post is as good as any i think.

Layer 1: The Real World

Layer 2: The Code of Deltarune?

Layer 3: ???

Layer 4: The Light World

Layer 5: The Dark Worlds

Layer 6: The Darker Worlds

Layer 7: The Yet Darker Worlds (Angel's Heaven?)

I'd also be willing to wipe off the first two layers at this point and call the ??? layer the code, since that layer is here just to account for the unused text that's letting out a plea for help.

i don't know how to end this and i think i might just edit it later to add on more ideas. so here, have this as it is now! thanks for reading if you did. nya

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