Why does Tori get idolized?
Okay quick question- this is sorta a pet peeve of mine.
Everyone blames Asgore for Toriel leaving him but why does no one care that Toriel just abandoned her husband over a disagreement.
Look, Asgore isn’t perfect, I won’t ever say it. But why is Toriel not held accounrable at all?
It’s not like Asgore was mistreating her at all. We’re told that Toriel was disgusted with him and just… left. No tales of mistreatment on Asgore’s part, just a disagreement. Granted a rather big agreement, but still.
And she doesn’t just abandon Asgore, she abandons her people. She’s the Queen, and she just… leaves.Leaves them all to their fate. Instead of staying and trying to, I dunno, make the kingdom better, she just abandons them all.
Tori could have left and continued to rule. She and Asgore could have split duties easily- Tori overseeing domestic issues, Asgore the guard. Awkward yes, but Asgore seems perfectly willing to work with Toriel and talk to her. It’s Tori who refuses to even speak to him.
She just abandons everyone in favor of her own self-righteous views. And yet everyone loves her and demonizes Asgore. WHY?
And I say self-righteous cause most all monsters are on-board with Asgore’s plan… and with leaving. Toriel alone seems content to sit underground forever.
I just… I don’t get it. No what Asgore did was objectively wrong but he was trying to save his people. Toriel may have been objectively more moral, but she abandoned everyone in favor of her beliefs.
I know there’s a trope about this but I forget it… but essentially? Toriel considers her morals more important than the people around her; Asgore considers the people around him more important than his morals.
You may say “wait a minute, Tori protects the kids, how does she not care about others?” Remember her REASON for protecting Frisk? “ My expectations… My loneliness… My fear… “ and “ Do not let ASGORE take your soul. His plan cannot be allowed to succeed. ……. “
(Also, off-topic but interesting quote. If you attack her after she stops attacking, she says, “ To think I was worried you wouldn’t fit out in there… Eheheheh!!! You really are no different than them! “ Um, monsters are “supposed” to be nice, right? Why does Toriel think being attacked when you show mercy is normal?)
But anyways. Look at her reasons. It isn’t because she’s worried about Frisk or doesn’t want him to die, it’s because she’s lonely and doesn’t want Asgore to win. Yes, she obviously cares about Frisk. I’m not denying that.
Just… okay, lost souls dialogue for her and Asgore.
Tori: “This is for your own good.” As: “Forgive me for this”
Tori: “No one will leave again.” As “This is my duty”
Toriel is convinced she is correct in her actions. Asgore, on the other hand, knows he’s wrong and asks you to forgive him. That’s the difference between them.
I personally like Asgore better but I’m also a utilitarian, so I’m far more willing to forgive him than most. But Toriel? I don’t like her. Or, well, I don’t like how the fandom idolizes her. Toriel isn’t perfect, none of the characters all. They all have their faults and issues. And Tori it’s her stubborn insistence of doing what she thinks is right, regardless of how it affects others.
Yet most people treat her greatest flaw as a virtue… and I don’t get it. At all.
So ya, if anyone can explain the love for tori, I’d love to learn it!
