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Maknae Kyungsoo and his actor hyungs

“By age, Bae Sung Woo is the oldest, but by experience, it’s Cha Tae Hyun. The others are Jo In Sung, Song Joong Ki, Lee Kwang Soo, Kim Ki Bang, Im Joo Hwan, me, and Do Kyungsoo” - Kim Woo Bin

“They are the hyungs that I got close to through [working on] dramas. We became close because we could all relate to one another so well.” -Kyungsoo

“The hyungs give me good advice. There are many things I learn from them. It’s not just acting but we also talk about life, experiences, and all sorts of other stuff. They really help a lot.” -Kyungsoo

“There’s a big dining table at Jo In Sung‘s house which serves as [our group’s] hideout, and we just have tea and talk.” - Kim Woo Bin

“Do Kyung Soo’s house is actually quite close to mine. He sometimes calls me in the morning and asks if I’ve eaten yet. If I haven’t, he’ll bring some seolleongtang (ox bone soup) over and we’ll share a meal together.” - Jo In Sung

“When the movie ‘Brother’ premiered, our group chat went wild. Every night we would post ‘Brother’s’ score and write congratulatory messages. We were so happy that Kyungsoo’s movie was doing well.” - Kim Woo Bin

“There are a lot of events to congratulate each other on. Kyungsoo started us off well so the feeling is good. The group chat will be on fire from now on. It’s always a little loud. We never stop talking.” - Kim Woo Bin

Extra: “Kyungsoo belongs to Woo Bin. He likes Kyung Soo a lot. It’s to the point where he’ll say, ‘My love Do Kyung Soo, where are you.” - Jo In Sung

thistletongue

You don’t get to decide where people go when they die.

keepingtimetimetime

I do if I’m the one who’s burying them.

keepingtimetimetime

Wait hang on I think I misunderstood the post.

nessa007

PREACH

wreathedinscales

Andy Samberg is what now

graceking

I love these comics by Nathan W. Pyle.

patrickdiomedes

Here are some more good ones

the-ali-express

LET ME ABS O R B

ultramarineblues

@diseonfire here have some more

erdsthenerds

Perhaps I prefer fewer revolutions and more minerals is a mood

gaslightgallows

We own things but have hidden them.

anxietyproblem

If you can relate to any of these posts, follow us @anxietyproblem

wp100

this is it.

this is the best tweet i’ve seen.

mabelsguidetolife

so, you could say he’s got…… UNTIL DAWN????

xxtc-96xx

Ok first of all…

overandoverandoverandoverand

maybe in supernatural season 15 they’ll finally figure out whether it’s soup or if it’s natural

oneofthosecrazycatladies

So I’m on AO3 and I see a lot of people who put “I do not own [insert fandom here]” before their story.

Like, I came on this site to read FAN fiction. This is a FAN fiction site. I’m fully aware that you don’t own the fandom or the characters. That’s why it’s called FAN FICTION.

adiwriting

Oh you youngins… How quickly they forget.

Back in the day, before fan fiction was mainstream and even encouraged by creators… This was your “please don’t sue me, I’m poor and just here for a good time” plea.

Cause guess what? That shit used to happen.

ohbeckoh

how soon they forget ann rice’s lawyers.

emma-regina4ever

What happened with her lawyers.

racethewind10

History became legend. Legend became myth…. And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost.

tiger-in-the-flightdeck

I worked with one of the women that got contacted by Rice’s lawyers. Scared the hell out of her and she never touched fandom again. The first time I saw a commission post on tumblr for fanart, I was shocked.

demonicae

One of the reasons I fell out of love with her writing was her treatment of the fans… (that and the opening chapter of Lasher gave me such heebie-jeebies with the whole underage sex thing I felt unclean just reading it.)

I have zero problem with fanart/fic so long as the creators aren’t making money off of it. It is someone else’s intellectual property and people who create fan related works need to respect that (and a solid 98% of them do.)

The remaining 2% are either easily swayed by being gently prompted to not cash in on someone else’s IP. Or they DGAF… and they are the ones who will eventually land themselves in hot water. Either way: this isn’t much of an excuse to persecute your entire fanbase.

But Anne Rice went off the deep end with this stuff by actively attacking people who were expressing their love for her work and were not profiteering from it.

The Vampire Chronicles was a dangerous fandom to be in back in the day. Most of the works I read/saw were hidden away in the dark recesses of the internet and covered by disclaimers (a lot of them reading like thoroughly researched legal documents.)

And woe betide anyone who was into shipping anyone with ANYONE in that fandom. You were most at risk, it seemed, if your vision of the characters deviated from the creators ‘original intentions.’ (Hypocritical of a woman who made most of her living writing erotica.)

Imagine getting sued over a headcanon…

Put simply: we all lived in fear of her team of highly paid lawyers descending from the heavens and taking us to court over a slashfic less than 500 words long.

pagerunner-j

all of this

fanfichasruinedmylife-deactivat

Reblogging because I can’t believe there are people out there who don’t know the story behind fan fiction disclaimers.

hils79

Yep I used to have disclaimers on all my Buffy fic back in the day. The Buffy creators were mostly pretty chill about fandom but it’s not like it is now. You did NOT talk about fandom with anyone except other fandom people and bringing it up at cons was a massive no no because of stuff like this.

I think Supernatural (and Misha Collins specifically) was when that wall between fandom and creators started to break down. It’s a relatively new thing.

I remember going to a Merlin panel down in London and a girl sitting next to me asked the cast about slash and I thought she was going to get kicked out!

Fandom history is important.

cracktheglasses

Oh, this brings back some not so-awesome ‘90s fandom memories!

griesly

Oh man, let me tell you about the X-Files fandom. Lawyers for FOX sued, threatened, and generally terrified the owners of fan websites on a regular basis. God help you if you wrote or created original art set in their (expansive) universe or worse - dared to write about their characters. Even people who weren’t creating fanworks, just hosting Geocities pages about how much people liked the show would be sent C&D orders or actually fined. When I was first discovering the concept, the first rule of fandom was you do not talk about fandom because the consequences could be devastating.

It was such a strange and uncomfortable experience for me when fans in LOTR and Potter fandoms suddenly started shoving their work in people’s faces speaking publicly about fandom and wanting to engage in dialogue with the creators and actors of the Thing they were into. Fan stuff was supposed to stay online, in archives and list-serves and zines we passed around because it just wasn’t cool to talk about it and it could get you in a boatload of trouble. The freedom we have to create and gather together in a shared space, or actually be acknowledged in any way by people outside the fandom was inconceivable to my fannish, teenaged self. I want fans these days to understand how amazing modern fandom really is, cherish the community, and appreciate what it took to get us here.

oyveyzqueer

“if you found this by googling yourself, hit back now. this means you, pete wentz”

tbqtalks

Oh hey, even more blasts from the past.

I was one of the ones who got a love letter from Anne Rice’s lawyers. Bear in mind that up until that point her publisher had encouraged fanfic and worked with the archive keeper (one of my roommates at the time) to drum up publicity for upcoming books and so on.

I could tell such tales of how much Anne screwed over her fans back then. The tl;dr version is that she and her peeps would use fan projects as free market research and then bring in the lawyers once it was felt Anne could make money off of it herself. (Talismanic Tours being one of the most offensive examples of this.)

But where fanfic is concerned not only did we get nastygrams but one of my friends had Anne’s lawyer trying to fuck up her own privately owned business which had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ANNE RELATED. Said friend was a small business owner with health issues who wasn’t exactly rolling in money, so guess how well that went?

On top of that when yours truly tried to speak out about it I discovered that someone in Anne’s camp had been cyber stalking me to the point where they took all the tiny crumbs of personal information I had posted over the course of five years or so and used it to doxx me (before that was even a term and in early enough days of the WWW that this wasn’t an easy task) and post VERY personal information about me on the main fandom message board of the time. Luckily for me the mod was my friend and she took that down post haste, but it was still oodles of fun feeling that violated and why to this day I am very strict about keeping my fandom and personal lives separate online.

Hence why those of us in the fandom at the time who still gave enough of a shit to want to keep writing fic DID keep writing fic, but shoved it so far underground and slapped it with so many disclaimers they could’ve outweighed the word count of War & Peace. It wasn’t just for the purpose of protecting fic but for trying to protect our personal lives as well.

(Also would love to know who @tiger-in-the-flightdeck knew. Life paths crossing after so many years….)

dubiousculturalartifact

Lucasfilm also sent cease-and-desist letters to Star Wars fanzines publishing slash.

My favourite bit I read from one included the idea that you weren’t allowed to have any explicit content, of which anything queer, no matter how tame, was included, to “preserve that innocence even Imperial crew members must be imagined to have”.

Yeah. The same Imperial crew members who helped build the Death Star to commit planetary genocide.

(It’s one reason Sinjir Velus, while I still have some issues with him, feels like such a delicious ‘f*** you’.)

Later on, they were apparently persuaded to ‘allow’ fans to write slash, provided in ‘remained within the nebulous bounds of good taste’.

(On a related note, if I wasn’t quite so attached to my URL, I would 100% change it to ‘Nebulous Bounds’, because that’s just downright catchy)

thepioden

Anne McCaffrey had this huge long set of rules about how exactly you were allowed to play in her sandbox. Dragonriders of Pern was my first online fandom, and I was big into the Pern RP scene - and just about every fan-Weyr had a copy of these lists of rules McCaffrey wanted enforced. One of which was ‘no porn’ and another was basically ‘it can’t be gay’ (and for a while ‘no fanfiction posted online’? which??? anyway.)

She relaxed a little as time went on, but still.

mikkeneko

Let’s not forget: the reason AO3 is called ‘Archive of our own’ is because it was created in response to some bullshit that assholes were trying to play with fan creators. Basically (if I remember the fiasco correctly) trying to mine fandom creators for content which they could then use to generate ad profit on their shitty websites. When the series creators objected, the fans tried to pull their content, only to find that the website hoster resisted, claiming their content was all his now.

That wasn’t even all that long ago…

bebopsisyphus

fandom history class

lazaefair

To this day, *talking* about writing or reading fanfiction - just acknowledging that it exists - to anyone other than people I know are in fandom as well, feels like a dangerous act. The strict separation I maintained between my real life identity, my online identity, and my fandom identity (yes, they were separate, because some of the most vicious and mocking people were fellow nerds) has broken down a bit these days, but I don’t think I’ll ever be able to integrate them as freely as some younger fans do.

theglintoftherail

Everybody should know that AO3 is just one project of the Organization for Transformative Works. Their mission is much broader than just hosting a (very good) fanfic site. They do all kinds of fandom history archiving and publish an academic journal, but most importantly, they perform legal advocacy to protect the fair use rights of people who make fanfic or fanart.

The OTW Legal Committee’s mission includes education, assistance, and advocacy.

We create and post educational materials about developments in fandom-related law on transformativeworks.org and on archiveofourown.org.

We assist individual fans when their fanworks are challenged, we answer fans’ questions about law relevant to fanworks, and we help fans find legal representation.

We partner with other advocacy organizations and coalitions in the U.S. and around the world.

We advocate for laws and policies that promote balance and protect fanworks and fandom.

And much more!

I haven’t been involved in fandom stuff all that long, but I find this stuff so fascinating!

hoenursey

whew, i feel old, but that’s mostly bc i was on forums way way waaaaay too young. but this? yes. all the way. people had password protected forums on the weirdest, most unconventional websites. before you could even be approved by the mods they would search your blog, your other accounts, question you, everything, all because we were broke teens and preteens trying to do something for fun and if someone got in who could doxx you or send your work over to a lawyer? that was it, you were OVER. that’s also part of where fandom wars and the defense of fandom came from: quote unquote “enemy” fandoms would infiltrate just to hurt you. @theglintoftherail makes a very good point: ao3 is a goddamn haven. and they’re a great team of lawyers and people dedicated to protecting fanworks! part of the reason it’s so great is because they know there’s no one like them out there. they also go to the ends of the damned earth to protect you and to be inclusive, which is why there’s shit like tentacle porn and underage and dubcon. because they’re dedicated to protecting readers and creators to the death. they don’t advocate for it and they have the extensive rating and tagging system because of that (legit the best tagging system i’ve ever seen) but they don’t know if you’re dealing with trauma or if you need to get something out. do not forget your fandom, kids. jesus

readingrenditions

Who else knew nothing about this? A show of hands

yamaccino

I’m just the right age to remember the disclaimers and to have HEARD about the Anne Rice, Anne McCaffrey, and X-Files fiascos, but I was never in any of those fandoms and I was more or less on the tail end of that. I can’t imagine having to be scared to tell people I write fanfic. So glad we’ve come so far.

asynca

20+ years ago, I used to be terrified someone would try to sue me for the fanfic I was writing. I covered my work in disclaimers and posted it from school PCs on the ‘guest’ account so no one could track me. I remember looking up at the school security camera as I posted my work, wondering if the school got a Cease & Desist letter if they’d trawl through the footage and discover it was me and know I was writing naughty gay fanfic. I imagined the entire school finding out what I’d written.

Conversely, last year, I featured in the ‘notable fans’ section of the Tomb Raider 20th Anniversary’ book - an official publication - as a fanfic writer.

It’s fantastic how fandom is becoming a part of enjoying content and is slowly, slowly being normalized <3

more-legit-gr8er-writing-tips

This is where we can all say thank you to JK Rowling and Stephenie Meyer for the major role they played in mainstreaming fanfic.

bearchuckles

I only heard tales of the fanfic woes and legal shit but I did experience (or was close enough to see) a few of the fan art harrumphs. I still am leery of drawing fan art for people and it still boggles me to see people with redbubble stores and public (searchable) fan work for sale. (Another recent bungle in the fandom jungle was that Jane hat from firefly fandom. Remember kids– it’s never over and don’t get too comfy. )

#yikes i remember this #i still put it in just cause of habit