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"why do you always post and complain? lmao." The blog is solely for that dumbass hop off.

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Well that was crazy

Ain’t no way I witnessed all that happened in the last couple of weeks.

Armys hate Jimin 😂😂😂😂

I knew before but wow

And put it how you want to put it but that fight for namjoon was not because they think he deserved it. They were literally trying to give him a pity award and tie that together with the shippers that hate him… that’s crazy.

In the time since bts went on hiatus I have never seen such determination to beat another member of the SAME group. Be Fr

This ain’t crazy to y’all?…

I don’t know what to tell y’all but there’s no coming back from this AND its amazing that he doesn’t realize that his own fandom hates him like that’s crazy and y’all will still cry about solos 😂😂

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I answered 1 and like 4 more came. I didn't expect that...

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The rap line had already put out mixtapes and have been working on their own music since debut. The have the experience of presenting themselves in solo work outside of BTS (not solo songs in BTS albums or the occasional fan song, full mixtapes representing who they are outside the group). You can't expect them to have the same approach to that solo era as the maknae line.

Also, ironically, the rap line had less pressure to do numbers, to become the MJ/JT out of the group, as the eager maknae line solos wanted for their fave. Hybe studies the numbers always and you could see rap line gets less engagement (solo focused fancams, ect.... ). Saying they are favored by the company is a reach. JK got the push from the company, not the rap line. Tae and Jimin either didn't want the conditions for that push, or Hybe decided they could only push one and chose JK. We will probably never know.

Saying hybe favoured the rapline isnt a reach though lol. The first sentences are proof of that. There's even an article that called the rapline "the pillars" and the maknae line "just the visuals" or something along the lines. So no, it wasnt a reach. The had most things available to them and at their disposal. They had a chance to experiment and find their sound and basically do what they felt they needed to do. Collab here collab there collab everwhere. How long did it take before jungkook got a studio for himself. Jimin still aint got one, he's still making beats on his tablet lmao.

It probably started changing when they realised the odds with them versus the maknae line were great. And that is where jungkook starts to come in. Jimin is not a pushover, neither is tae in some forms. Bad as is it, jungkook seems to be the one that has his head on his shoulder the least. Plus, he's young, hyper, knows social media and how to use it and he's popular. Bingo, the money is there. But saying jimin and tae might've not wanted hybes push is not entirely false.

For instance, like I've probably said before, jimin wanted a music video for each of his songs on his album. He was told no. Which is weird asf since jungkook got so many. But that's where the push comes in.

The push so far has been nothing but controversial despite it's achievements, now you look at that and wonder "can i see jimin or tae being apart of this?" Honestly no. So while they might've not wanted the circumstances that came with the push, they obviously wanted support. But hybe is probably like "hey, you dont want everything that comes with it we cant push you." But they probably didnt expect them to do so well. Which comes next is "sabotage".

Which for some reason people thing is beyond hybe...

But we've talked about that already so...meh

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"I am not in the fandom" then proceeds to spew everything anti-hybe talking point running in the fandom. What exactly do you consider "being in the fandom"?

I'm kind of tired of people complaining "yoongi got a tour" as if it is something handed to him and also something every other member wanted.

Anti-hybe...Please tell me you aint serious.

You can follow a group and listen to them often but not be associated with the fandom. I might say "i listen to beyonce. I follow her too" but that doesnt necessarily make me apart of her fanbase. Dont follow any fan accounts or nothing. People like that do exist.

We really dont know if any body else wanted a tour. Heard it in passing convos probably but we really dont know. Cause personally i feel like jhope couldve wanted one.

A tour is big, a tour is huge. It's weird when you compare it to well...everything else really. People are gonna bring it up cause like i said, it's not a small thing lmao.

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I am not in the fandom. never was and never will be. but i know about bts for almost 7 yrs now. and it made me really like them. i always anticipated their run bts every tuesday. when their highly anticipated world tour got cancelled, their dynamite single actually helped them a lot. but i was expecting that it would stop there but i'll bet that their company made them to continue hence the release of ptd and butter (at least, butter gave them the win at ama). they needed their rest and we got the reason with the festa dinner (though not all that they can tell. pretty sure they can't shit on their company because of contracts. need to keep the we are family bs).

then chapter 2 happened and what an eye opener it was. it made me see that the rapline will always have a certain status in their company granted that they are the backbone of the group. the promotions that they've got especially suga got to do concerts etc. but i wonder about namjoon. to me, he got the least of the promotions (probably how he wanted it to happen) and the fandom never really cared about him. joon likes charts. no one can't tell me that he doesn't. every member of bts does. but his solo work got an abysmal support.

now onto the maknae line, i couldn't even begin with all the fiasco that jimin got and one he's still getting. everything that could go wrong went wrong and it is disturbing how all of those can be prevented by the company. one thing i am really convinced is that the company does not want him to be above others - especially jk. they are keeping him within the confines of the brand that is bts. comparing the articles that bighit put out regarding the platinum certification, they made sure that BTS is connected to Jimin's name. But it is different with JK. the brand of BTS is not there. I mean, they made him a brand of his own so there is clearly an agenda by the company led by Bang PD and that devil that they let in their house. Even the article about his MAMA win is still not being released but JK's one with MMA, it was posted right away. so yeah.

With V, i am actually glad that he went to Min Heejin to produce his album and yes, you are correct that those songs are his forte. Despite the dismal support of the company and the fandom to his debut, he actually did pretty well. With his all english album, i was surprised that he did not go to Jimmy Fallon. I was actually expecting him to be there to promote. but well, it is what it is.

Now for JK, where do i even start? with SB and Bang PD at the helm, with all the fandom backing him, of course they did not hesitate to give him their all. With everything that he got, it still fell short because they failed to get the crown glory - The Grammy's. I feel sorry for him to be honest because no matter how the fandom (which literally became his solo fandom) say that he's the best amongst the members, his achievements are nothing but a project of SB. JK has so much potential on his own but well, this is how his solo era happened.

I also noticed that the company seems to be gearing to get JK and New Jeans as their future. BTS as big as they are, will eventually decline. The reunion on 2025 will speak for itself.

As for their military service, somehow i am relieved that they will get to experience being away from their endless work as an artist. change will happen. may it serve them well in the future.

lastly, i am looking forward to Jin's career once he gets back.

very sorry that my thoughts are long and quite all over the place but it is nice to post asks for those that sees what is going on with BTS.

It's fine. No need to apologize, I like to hear people's thoughts on whats happening. I also believe they should've gotten a break earlier and I feel like it was when the did that festa live. People were panicking, the stocks started dropping and bighit halted that break shit really quickly because rumors were that were splitting up at that time (dont know how true that is).

Let me tell you, I have never seen a more catastrophic debut. And even with all the blocking that bighit and scooteer did (i said what i said) he still came out with so many accomplishments like??? This man is a fighter. From bighit praising a racist white man and calling jimins hot 100 debut "barely a breakthrough" was SICKENING. And the way people forgot that? Trifling. Spotify, geffen, melon, billboard...you would think they got personal beef with him. And imma say this right now. Jimin achieved all of this because scooter didnt expect it to try and stop it. But everything afterwards? Was all him, cant nobody tell me shit. That man has ties to all the major media platforms and you want me to believe that he wasn't trying to block tae and jimin from the charts? Ha. Funny.

Their whole plan is to separate bts and jungkook and they've been succeeding. They want to prove that "hey, they're nothing without bts but that's not the same for jungkook." This why I have so many doubts of this 2025 reunion because what does one think might happen after they've separated him from the group name so much? A mess. While im saying all of this, I do hope they dont trap him in a contract. I do hope they dont use it against him because right now he's just going along with everything right now which is worrying but at the same time idk. He might be cool with this type of thing.

It might even be a case where the guys have different thoughts after this long break. Time away makes you think differently about things. Namjoon seems exhausted and in a totally new headspace. He's mostly being producing and just staying behind the scenes i fee like. He's probably the one dealing with stuff for 2025 (prerecorded ones). Tae has always wanted to go more in fashion and who knows of the rest. We'll see.

The bts rapline was always pushed as the foundation of bts, of everything. When did that change?

Jin is a wild card for me. He's this spot that needs to be filled. And Im thinking that maybe, just maybe him being away is why everything is collapsing. Random thought.

Isnt it weird...how the one that started it all is the one that is mostly forgotten? Namjoon deserves his flowers.

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I believe JK was too stressed to put out a personal project as his first album. He chose to concentrate on his vocals and performances and take the opportunities to work with A listers. Working on a song here and there is vastly different from a whole solo project, especially when you're a perfectionist. I believe he has his own songs but will put them out later on, now he gained confidence in his solo promotions.

Might be. But I feel like it's less stress and more bighit not caring if he had anything or not and just giving him a scooter album. Because if I recall he did say he wasn't really doing anything but relaxing when bighit called for him. So idk it just feels like this whole thing is structured how bighit wants it and he's just along for the ride.

And correct me if im wrong but I cant even recall him saying he's working on anything since his releases. And now especially that they're enlisting in mere days, I dont think he'll release anything of his own for now.

At most a single but the chances seem so slim...

[2k4bts]

people have too many expectations for 2025. if they go on with full english song, some will be disappointed, if they go back to korean song others will be disappointed as it won't get the numbers... also how could they write themselves a full album in 2025 if they get out in june and even later for yoongi ? and then rehearse for a tour with new choreos ? no way. i think they really want a huge ww tour as soon as possible, so back catalog would do. it's also more cash with close to no risk : people have been waiting since 2019 the demand is sky high

as for the fandom, twitter was were the core got organized and it is dead now, i'm not sure people will be back on twitter for 2025. a lot of people will check the new music (if any) out of curiosity at least, but I don't see how the fandom would get back into fight mode from where it is now... those who are still active are mostly solos and will boycott the group in hopes of getting more solo music sooner. the group made it big because the fandom got big. it's so sad to see the state of the fandom when you've witnessed 2017-2019 army

I somewhat share the same sentiments actually. Either way there is going to be disappointments and I also believe half of what bighit is promising might not happen. It's too mucb in too little time so either most will be pre recorded or they will be worked to the bone.

There's even the thought that some of the members might not feel the same as they do now. That long of a break tends to make people think differently.

Watching all this go down in real time is almost like a fever dream seeing as how we're coming from.

Sigh...it's sad but like I've been saying, I expected it. The road leading to this was an obvious one.

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Granted, Taehyung's situation is different from Jungkook's, but not totally. If you are talking about writing your own music and working with morally good, politically aware people, he also failed that. He chose (like sought out) Min Hee-jin to work with for Layover. She's come under fire for allegedly enabling p3dophilic attitudes and actions all the while perpetuating the same behavior by debuting a 14-year old in NewJeans. On top of that, Taehyung outsourced all of his songs, 99% in English. Just like Jungkook did.

I may have missed Tae's explanation behind his work, but I didn't hear anything. Jungkook was clear that his priorities currently are focused on his performance and vocals. On top of that, we've heard JK say he wants to reach both a 'popstar' and a 'kpop idol' status, which would then prompt the company to make different decisions for him. Not every member wants that same fate.

Fam, the backlash tae got for that was something serious. While his songs did well enough on the first day or two, the fandom sort of filtered it out after that. I dont even think the bts accounts post about him or his achievements as often. You'll find that you have to rely on his accounts if anything which is choas cause they're fighting about that too.

If you're only comarison is them outsourcing their songs then my dear, no. Cause at least taehyung retained his sound and signature.

The treatment both releases got is so different and very apparent. And Taehyung while did better than some, did not do as well as people had hoped he would.

You dont have to remind me of what he said, he made it known that he doesn't feel or want to write songs. That scooter gave him his songs and he said thank you. That he was home doing nothing until they called him to sing the songs. How absolutely ridiculous his schedules are cause hybe and scooter are pushing him heavily. I know, I watch his videos.

Yeah the company is making different decisions for each of them but how much different? Jimin wanted a video for all his songs and he was told a blatant no. That it was too much. Why? Geffen has not re stocked most of the bts' members CD for the longest while, especially Taehyung, while restockick others. Why? I'm still wondering that to this day. And if you think hybe aint involved, wake up.

Not every member wants the same fate, I agree. But you can't do a full 180 especially when youve made certain talks against said stuff that you are doing and not expect people to start looking at you different.

It would have been a whole different talk in the streets if things with him were done different. Not everyone likes listening to songs about fking everyday. Why do you think people gravitated towards bts so much. You have to have had some idea that there were going to be disappointments and disgust from people.

Making people feel like shit for feeling some type of way is gross.

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ARMY going up into flames ? Really ? What's happening ?

Big accounts are being exposed. Big accounts are closing from being harrassed by akgaes. Akgaes are growing in numbers. Biased people are going to their bias' sections and forgetting the group. Ot7 accounts are not posting everyone. Rhe voting system is a shit show cause more than one bts member is there. Chaos my friend. Choas is what's happening. Everyday is another fight about something else.

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I know what you mean. I left army when jungkook did the whole qatar thing. *I* felt embarrassed on his behalf, i can’t believe he used to stand on the floor of the un and then he chose to promote an event built on modern day slave labor…

It ruined my love for bts as a whole. I’ve kept up sporadically to see what they’re up to after that because i still care about them, and the updates i’ve read about him has just made me sad and confused. I don’t understand why he isn’t embarrassed when even i am. Everything i used to be so proud of them for, and used to defend them for, like not putting out mindless music, not doing payola, he’s turned around and done exactly that.

I feel sorry for the other guys, but honestly, my love for them has kinda died out as well because of this. I don’t think they’re in any way responsible or should’ve talked him out of it or anything, this is jungkook’s life and he should do what makes him happy, but i can’t help but feel less love for them nowadays since i avoid bts as a whole just because i don’t want to feel any more humiliated than i already do for defending them for so many years only for it all to mean absolutely nothing because of jungkook’s recent choices.

I know people are gonna read this and tell me to touch grass or some unoriginal bullshit, but that’s the thing, that’s literally what i’ve been doing. I did leave bts, i remember them occasionally and come back to check up on them, maybe hoping it’s different but it never is.

I’m glad they’re all doing their ms soon. I kinda hope people will forget about them and they never make it back to this level of fame, because any time i see people point out completely valid points about jungkook’s manifactured success on the charts, i just want to kinda go die in a hole because i’m embarrassed i used to support him 🙃

This ☝🏾

This is what I mean about the effect the whole contradiction issue is having. It's sad but at the same time, I'm not gonna wish bad for their success cause at the end of the day, they did work for it.

Lord I forgot about the qatar controversy...I don't know how much of it is true because it was a translation of a video that got buried quickly. But supposedly it was to be a group thing and hybe changed it to just him??? I dont know why they would do that, I didn't see much about it after that which is....but yeah that got buried quickly I think. Yikes.

The points are VALID and you know it is when the only thing people say to that is that they're jealous. Please.

But I get you for someone who was there for all their un speeches, for their early interviews. How long it took them to get their first win. It is disheartening.

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"everything BTS stood for" you mean before Dynamite, right? Because everything he's doing is just the same as BTS has done for the English trilogy. Plus being horny.

What we should talk about is how the fandom made them what they are not. How the fandom bullied every other group for no valid reason, just for the sake of feeling righteous and superior.

Jungkook is working with people the group always wanted to work with, like Usher, who they name dropped in Butter. He just took the opportunity he was offered. Did we all forget there is a RM or group collab with Pharell waiting somewhere ?

"Plus being horny" stop. Just stop. I'm not sure why pharell...is being brought up but okay.

He's actually doing and getting way more than bts did for their english trilogy. If it's one thing bts made clear, is their stance against the way they do things in the industry. They've always done things in a clear, transparent way and honest way. They've been doing things for themselves this entire journey. They've been involved someway in their whole creative processes. They've fought against the stigma against their race and worked their way up on their own backs.

Now you look at bts' journey, all they've being through, all the accusations, all the payola talk and then you look at jungkooks whole era and tell me you dont see how contradictory it is...

He's working with a known zionist who's had history of manipulating charts to suit his clients. Clients who, might I add, are dropping him right now or who have dropped him. What he did to taylor swift. I dont know how y'all forgot that. A man who is now all over his album and his career. The lack of jungkook there is makes me wonder how much percentage of what was made is he going to receive?

You have playlisting reaching 100 million on his first day. Bts aint do that.

You have ads littered across every media platform available on the day of release.

You have alot of remixes combined and so are their figures. Bts aint do that.

Bts works with who they want to work with. If jimin wanted to work with usher why wouldnt he? And if he wanted to but couldnt, what was stopping him? Think about that.

The only thing you got right though, was that he took an opportunity that was offered.

The fandom is another story in itself. You've heard something like "the fandom is a reflection of the artist they stan". How much of that do you think is applied to bts and army? Were they right in doing what they did? No. But it's usually in a comeback to people dragging them. So when all of this is done in bts' defense, how much of a mockery do you think will be made of them? Do you know how many hit tweets I've seen calling it out? It was bad. Bad to the point that knetz were even pointing it out. He was getting opportunities bts didnt get.

But at the end of the day, these are just my thoughts and you can have yours.

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Imma adress y'all soon. Im tired from work.

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I just hate JK's album roll out, the people he worked with, the "it's just words and images", the being horny on main and crass lyrics presented as being mature....

Chapter 2 has destroyed the fandom. The solos are ruling twitter and recruiting more and more each day. They definitely won't support the group comeback now they have solo music and Seven numbers

I'm still lurking on here because it's hard to let go completely, but I stepped down from stanning and now just listen to the music I like in my little corner away from fandom. Expectations for 2025 are extremely low, worst case scenario being a full English album trying to match Golden, best case scenario being a tour I won't be able to tickets for anyway......

For me, i expected better. Jesus, the songs he actually TOOK part in were glorious. The whole album screams performative. Especially with the people he worked with. It sounds harsh but it just doesn't seem genuine?? Idk whatever.

I dont associate myseof with them anymore but not gonna lie, it was something I expected. With the fandom enabling the bullshit behaviors or the ot7 being hidden akgaes it was a disaster waiting to happen.

Im curious to see how well the fandom will fare when 2025 comes. It's like each day, a big account is exposed as an anti of someone or multiple persons, it's crazy.

If its a tour, the tickets are going to be absolutely ridiculous 😐

[2k4bts]

I'm not feeling Jungkook's new music. SNTY was good. Really good. He did complete justice to it. But i feel that his album was rushed. Most of the songs are not that great. Moreover, him telling that songs were 'given' to him didn't help. I'm not used to BTS doing songs without a backstory or without layered meanings. I know they were in a rush to push him as a global pop star before military. Even the other members were concerned about how hectic his schedule is.

All other solo concepts were quite meaningful- indigo, face, dday, jitb, even astronaut and layover. (Even though Tae didn't write his songs, he brought his vibes and aesthetic and delivered exactly what fans had expected of him in the right way). I could write more about how each solo work reached it's intended audience and how it could have done better, but maybe some other time.

So I conclude that Jk's solo debut mainly had commercial goals. The concept was just..him. Nothing deep. To showcase his vocals, talent and build that image. He's talented no doubt. If they think this is the way to launch him into US market, so be it. We are just a credit card at the end of the day. As for me, I stream what I like. And SNTY is the only song i stream from Golden tbh, just the original version.

I predict that after bts get together in 2025, they'll release an album, go on a tour. Then we'll see more solo activities, solo tours, a few more group activities and so on.

Someone gets it. My god finally. Everything right here is just, yes. It feels like (excuse my words) a quick cash grab before he goes off. It was him but at the same time it didnt feel like him and that might have to do with the fact that he contributed nothing to it? Everybody's album could tell a story or at least we could feel them in it. His was just...yeah.

But then again, maybe that's what he wanted. Maybe that's the route that he wanted to go. Who knows. We might be giving him more credit than we should...

But even so, for 2025 I feel like it wont be as grand as we'll expect it to be? The fandom is split in several different parts and I fear it'll be worse by the time the reunion comes back around. Dont know how many will still be in the fandom by then but, only time tells.

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Bts is made up of 7 members with different goals and ideals. JK did nothing wrong with taking his solo career in the direction he thought was best. It's not his fault he ended up being the most popular

What does popularity have to do with anything I said?? Lol they can do whatever they want with their solo careers, its just sad that the decisions he's making (working with scooter, him being in total control of his album, the ouright questionable people he's working with RN etc.) Is making bts' words look like absolute bullshit. It's like a mockery to everything they worked for. Everything armys dragged other groups for, he came back and did??And for some reason you brought about popularity?? Lmao. It's not a secret that he's been the most pushed and promoted ever since this started.

This aint even hate like you might think it is. Its just blantant observation and I've been here a long time.

[2k4bts]

So...when are we gonna talk about jungkook shitting on everything bts stood for during this chapter?...

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Bruh. Army is going up into flames. The boys are going off. Fake stans are being exposed. This chapter was the eye opener that everyone needed but also didnt want. (Except me lol) Its just sad that it could've being prevented.