TobiIzu & HashiMada shipper. Also SasuNaru, BoruSara from Naruto and KaiShin with HakuHei from DCMK. Ficwriter (mostly Russian). Warhammer sideblog: koteytrappedinwarhammer
Hello! Our discord server is happy to announce TobiIzu Bingo for Halloween!
Rules are quite simple:
1. Any form, rating and theme is fine (just tag it properly). Do you have just headcanons for some au? It's fine. Playlist? Someone is ready to hear it.
2. Please, keep it TobiIzu-centred (or IzuTobi). Side pairings are okay but remember, it's TobiIzu bingo!
3. Yeah, you could take some prompts in one work! Mad Scientist Tobirama created Zombie Izuna who got him black cat suit? Sure, why not? This bingo is for fun. So, if you want, you may combine prompts in wild or/and unexpected way.
Big thanks @yimena-joy and @rendiamberspirit for artworks!
I was asking... why isn't there an Avatar AU (James Cameron movies) TobiIzu?? I watched the movie again and Neytiri resembles Tobirama in some ways, grumpy, serious and with great loyalty and passion for her own, plus her distrust is very similar. Jake could perfectly be Izuna since it could be his search for identity because he was always in the shadow of his brother (Although I don't know if Madara could be his twin)
Honestly, I don't know
But personally for me almost any Uchiha could be described by incorrect quote from first one movie:
"How would I know that he chose me?"
"He will try to kill you"
Also I love idea with their tails and how it could be romantic and intimate on many levels!
And yeah, Izuna would love to slowly open begrudged Tobirama. He would be careful and smiley, too curious about another culture (but also I believe he would love to introduce Tobirama to technology and would be lovely watching how Tobirama tries to do anything with that)
...and reverse au is cool too. Hashirama was the first to open Madara but Izuna would so curious about Tobirama, maybe about his both form
Like
Hehe, you are sooooo tiiiiiny! Let me take up you in air! Hehe!
Yeah, we are definitely needs more avatar au TobiIzu:з
Sorry, but I wanted a liiiitle butterfly!Izuna with Tobirama too
A butterfly lands on Tobirama's nose.
He would like to drive away the shameless one, but his hand doesn't rise. Not after it—was it this one? — have been hovering around Madara for so long.
Did he know? Did Hashirama say? Or didn't he dare?
A butterfly is trampling on the nose. It's like it's looking into his eyes with it's own, and Tobirama can't help but smile, even though he's never been religious.
His heart is suddenly bitter. The day was going so well until those fools went off to drink—and that butterfly.
It brings back memories. It asks questions that should have been buried long ago in the depths of Tobirama's soul: was peace with Izuna really impossible?
When the butterfly drinks liquid on cheek, he doesn't chase it away.
I'm not going for anyone head and I don't really judge
But personally I can't get the "asexual headcanon" about Tobirama. I mean, the guy has a passion in databook, how can he be asexual??? Maybe I don't know something about asexuals but to be honest Hashirama looks more asexual than Tobirama.
For me Tobirama is clearly demisexual. He has a standards, yeah, the standards just a bit higher than his ego but as for me he is obviously passionate in sex.
Personally I see him as experimental and quite creative with sex thing, and with kink for control. Shibari in completion as well, as part of control and be controlled kinks. Yeah, he has standards, he has a lot of thing before be ready to gave the control or be bottomed but still he will and would for that one person that caught his attention and love. Tobirama may mimic cold appearance as much as he love but he is passionate about his person, as for me
He is great match for Izuna in this. They may be quite passionate in bed but still have impression of cold and collected people.
I'm kinda tired how many people happened in comments to say "passionate has general definition!". Two is already too much and there were much more.
Thank you, I know.
Some basics.
1. It is personal opinion.
Yes, I can disagree on asexual headcanons. You may fantasy everything that you wish, call it "headcanon" and be happy.
It's up to you. Write headcanons and fiction, draw picters... everything is okay, someone is needed right your version.
It's up to me to agree or disagree (or say that it's nice au but it's no way for it be canon).
I prefered to soften some things.
I thought it was rude to say "I dislike specific views of asexual on Tobirama character". Or quote the fic to explain that I dislike (I liked fic but some scenes wasn't that good as could in my opinion). So I said that I said and... I don't take my words back.
2. Yes, "passionate" has sexual meaning. Yes, it has others. Yes, I'm not native. But let me show you something.
This is passionate in oxford dictionary
What we see? Sexual meaning in first fucking definition.
Let's check up the passion.
So? Yes, the sexual context is third. So that is meaning something, right?
Let's check up cambridge dictionary.
Passionate
Passion
Lmao, I waited the same result as oxford one.
But you still can get my point. Yes, sexual context isn't only one. But it neccessary one in minds of majority people... or so think linguists of two respectable organizations. Organizations for whose definition would search many people in the world. I was taught in the school to look at these (+plus longman) dictionaries. Also I suppose if you check some other reliable dictionaries, you'll still get the close one picture. These words have that sexual subtext, especially "passionate".
Honestly, I can't wrap mind that there is so hard to understand. Yes, it has other meanings so "Tobirama is passionate" may be explained as "He is love of his work" or "he is emotional" or anything else is okay.
But it also may have the meaning "Tobirama is passionate lover". May.
M A Y.
Yes, you can disagree with this view. Glad for you.
I don't seek agreement, I try to explain that you can't just ignore the world's view on word.
Or try to say that I know only this meaning. I know other but...
3. Really, I tried hard to soften my opinion as much as I could. That it's only opinion and I'm not judging the people, that I may see asexuals wrong, that it's easy way to explain my emotions on this headcanon....
I suppose the best way to put it was "asexual headcanon for Tobirama sucks".
Because it is (in some specific version, I'll explain later)
At least that attention would be deserved.
Like no one explained why it is good idea, almost all were fixated on definition "passionate", that it can be nonsexual. Thank you, I know, again, that isn't real point. I would think so even if sexual subtext was the last definition of this word.
It was easy way to explain why it sounds wild to me because other ways are going deep in my own views on Tobirama's character. It isn't like I saw databook and "oh, that definitely means that he is passionate lover because passionate definitely means only sex", honestly, I despise databook as reliable source of information. It isn't, it translated so poorly plus the 4 one has a lot of mistakes and typos itself.
But. Databook is canon thing then it isn't wrong. And may explain something.
So. "Databook says that he is passionate and this word has sexual meaning" a bit better in discussion for my mind than "He is demisexual because I think so, it relates with my thoughts and feelings". Yes, it isn't ultimate proof, it is earth there can grow any headcanons. Moreover, I said myself that Japanese meaning may be different in subtext. But I dislike the second way of discussion enough to say about databook.
Yeah, I could said "I see him as experimental man in bed and tentative lover. Because he was paying attention to everything in 4 shinobi's war, he was like the best support so he obviously would pay attention to lover's body and etc" but 1) again, I prefer in this kind of discussion more canon-grounded thought. It doesn't make me right or change my opinion to canon fact, it's up to my preferences to discuss things, 2) If some asexuals were offended with "what, do you think that asexual can't be passionate???" because of original post, I may imagine how they would explode with my view's explanation. "Do you think that asexuals don't pay attention to partners???" or "do you think that asexuals can't support other people??"
Well, >>>some<<< of them definitely didn't pay attention to my words. Though, I'm not saying anything else. Not all asexuals, obviously (I hope it is)
4. The main topic of original post was my non-understanding this headcanon.
I'm not interested in linguistic lecture with "it has general meaning", again, I know. (I'm not that literate)
I was interested in discussion. Like "I see him so because of this and this". Or "yeah, I kinda don't understand that too". Or "look, that doesn't mean that he can't be asexual because some types can enjoy sex and...".
It's okay to you have that headcanon. Or haven't. Or don't really think about. Or be fine with either version.
Or me non-understanding this headcanon.
Again, post wasn't written to hurt anyone so I softened as much as I could while still speaking the main thought: "why? It doesn't look logical to me". So I was surprised to see offended asexuals in comments. Like, really? The only thing that you read is "do you think that asexual can't be nonsexual passionate???"???? Or "passion can be only sexual"??? What?
I explained again and again. Well, some people prefer to be offended than just read, I suppose.
The linguistic topic is closed. I'm not interested in another "it has general meanings" or "asexual canbe passionate!" because...
IT WASN'T THE MAIN POINT OF FUCKING POST
Yeah, I that much have no belief in some people. I can even guess that someone still appears with "but it has general meanings!.."
Yes, it fucking does. That's why it was personal post not community one. Because of it I softened post and some comments. But I'm tired so I would be straightforward for this kind offended asexual.
The hc "Tobirama despise sex" is sucks and sucks hardly. Yes, it's my opinion, and I have all the rights on this opinion in my fucking blog. Have problem with it? It's your problem, not mine.
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While I were cooling off, I thought about drama from another perspective.
So. If anyone still reading, haha
5. Why exactly I so opposed to this headcanon.
Look. I'm not opposed to asexual thing at all, I also did read some nice thing even with asexual!Tobirama and left kudo. (My favorite is omega/omega × femslash)
But really. "It's too stereotypical to see asexuals as isn't passionate" (incorrect quote)
...but I am more like opposed to stereotype, to be honest?
In the fic Tobirama was like the most stereotypical asexual. Ew, sex and etc. Moreover, it feels to me too stereotypical to choose Tobirama as asexual because he is so in work.
Like Hashirama is more interesting choice. So touching and huggy yet not interested in process as process, only into giving comfort and pleasure. Or Naruto. He is into beauty of bodies and pranks, not sex as sex. They would be representative as different types of asexual.
So, I suppose the most correct wording would be "I dislike the hc that says about Tobirama's hate/despising of sex because it feels wrong to me".
But I still don't see the problem to say more general thing in my blog. Yeah, author can hc this — I didn't write my opinion in his comments or messages??? I did as much as I could to explain point and yet don't be offensive to author? I didn't quote him. I delayed as much as I could my main complaint (i don't believe in people and I don't wanna bad comments on author just because of me). I tried to smooth as much as I could.
So I'm pretty surprised and tired to see that much attention for, really, non-existent problem. My only hope there that I wouldn't lost my love to TobiIzu and Tobirama just because some jerks can't be not offended of personal opinion in personal blog that even didn't try said that something wrong with them or their hc. Yeah, I tagged but for explaining or interesting discussion. Be happy, I'm not tagging that post.
That was tiring. And still someone would be offended, hah.
I'm not going for anyone head and I don't really judge
But personally I can't get the "asexual headcanon" about Tobirama. I mean, the guy has a passion in databook, how can he be asexual??? Maybe I don't know something about asexuals but to be honest Hashirama looks more asexual than Tobirama.
For me Tobirama is clearly demisexual. He has a standards, yeah, the standards just a bit higher than his ego but as for me he is obviously passionate in sex.
Personally I see him as experimental and quite creative with sex thing, and with kink for control. Shibari in completion as well, as part of control and be controlled kinks. Yeah, he has standards, he has a lot of thing before be ready to gave the control or be bottomed but still he will and would for that one person that caught his attention and love. Tobirama may mimic cold appearance as much as he love but he is passionate about his person, as for me
He is great match for Izuna in this. They may be quite passionate in bed but still have impression of cold and collected people.
i feel like tobirama is an experiment guy with loads of curiousity. join it with him being a sensor, it is highly likely that tobirama discovered sex much earlier in his life than any of his peers and his curiousity might have made him research about it as well.
with shinobi morals (which are none) and his never ending hunger for knowledge i think tobirama discovered and practised sex much earlier than it is usually seen. he must have discovered a new phenomena and would have gone like; 'oh i need to know more' acquiring more bookish knowledge than applying it practicallly.
so we have a brief era of sex fiend tobirama where he acquires as much knowledge he can about sex from his experiments to collect 'data' which are basically sexy times. he might have explored;
how to please himself, how to please his lovers, various ways of orgasm and even his own sexual preferences and orientation.
then concluding that he might be a demisexual. but before that he definitely had his slutty phase consisting of sex? sex fantasies? role plays? sex toys, bdsm?, threesomes, gay sex?, gangbang? orgies? and a bluescreened hashirama and a tired and traumatized butsuma.
at least butsuma would have taken advantage of this new phase and sent tobirama on as many honeypot missions as possible.
Before anything. It's only my thoughts that based on situation in canon, like warring states era is really warring, haha. Also it based on my visions on Tobirama and Izuna (because even if we doesn't count Izuna as partner, he may be that pain in ass that should be taken in account)
I mean. Tobirama is quite careful and paranoid guy, as for me. And Izuna looks for any chance to kill him. Any useful weakness.
So. I see situation like this:
1. Tobirama discovered sex. He read a lot, he listened to other people talks; for now he isn't interested yet to try himself but he collects datas
2. He discovered his interest. Maybe he caught himself eyeing someone. Or his reaction on Izuna's moans (that bastard didn't mean it sexually, it was pain but still). Or wet dream. So he thinks about it. And thinks a lot.
3. I don't see him as literally sluttish guy. As for me, he was careful at choosing sex partners. It was like two or three before Konoha foundation, like some Nara or/and some advisor. Silent people who smart enough to don't talk anything and don't be noticed by Izuna who could target them and take all the weaknesses from their memories by sharingan.
But yeah, Tobirama IS experimenting guy. Shibari, wax-and-ice play, control play, almost anything to please his partner. Even shadow clones and suiton in the baths can be easily used for fun.
To me, demisexual isn't just "I want sex only with people who I like" but "I can't have really pleasure while partner isn't really enjoying as well". So he can allow a lot of things, like tying Tobirama as well.
But one of the serious restrictions for him: no bottoming. Tobirama knows that he is into this thing. That he likes to be controlled. That he would like bottom thing too much because his body kinda sensitive.
So he can't allow himself be into this with someone who isn't his one and only real partner.
4. And only with partner who gained his all trust. Who win over his heart. Who got under all shells and his skin.
Only with this partner Tobirama would allow himself be bottom and be his partner's eye candy, haha
But it's hard, yeah. Tobirama has like simple yet almost impossible wishes:
• partner should be smart enough to follow his thoughts
• partner should have some kind of power. I mean, there is no reason to just play "you can control me" for Tobirama, real power and control is much more enjoyable for him.
• guys a bit more preferable, civils almost out of pool (because Tobirama into power play, into clinging and a smaaaaaaaaall bit of roughness. He is very conscious that a little amount of women will be really into pushing on wall and be bitten, caught in bruising hands and so on. And for civils it may be traumatizing. So).
That's also kinda reason why I see as his partner only Izuna. Hashirama is brother and kinda idol, Madara has no power on him, and only Izuna can say "shut up" and sometimes Tobirama will shut up because really, Izuna can be so annoying that more reasonable to just shut up and don't deal with this evil son of the bitch later.
Though you are taking the izutobi line. I am talking about in general. Tobiramas exploration of sex and his young years. Your theory can be applied to all his life while mine can only be applied to his younger years and possibly not surely to his older years. There is no ship concer in mine so....those were my thoughts....
Yours seem plausible too but we know too little to actually conclude something.
Well, you may change "Izuna" to "Tajima" or any enemy names, for beginning "Izuna" was like the general name for dangerous, not shipping reason. Being that sluttish kinda dangerous for me because everything that enemy need is take in account your tastes
I'm not going for anyone head and I don't really judge
But personally I can't get the "asexual headcanon" about Tobirama. I mean, the guy has a passion in databook, how can he be asexual??? Maybe I don't know something about asexuals but to be honest Hashirama looks more asexual than Tobirama.
For me Tobirama is clearly demisexual. He has a standards, yeah, the standards just a bit higher than his ego but as for me he is obviously passionate in sex.
Personally I see him as experimental and quite creative with sex thing, and with kink for control. Shibari in completion as well, as part of control and be controlled kinks. Yeah, he has standards, he has a lot of thing before be ready to gave the control or be bottomed but still he will and would for that one person that caught his attention and love. Tobirama may mimic cold appearance as much as he love but he is passionate about his person, as for me
He is great match for Izuna in this. They may be quite passionate in bed but still have impression of cold and collected people.
i feel like tobirama is an experiment guy with loads of curiousity. join it with him being a sensor, it is highly likely that tobirama discovered sex much earlier in his life than any of his peers and his curiousity might have made him research about it as well.
with shinobi morals (which are none) and his never ending hunger for knowledge i think tobirama discovered and practised sex much earlier than it is usually seen. he must have discovered a new phenomena and would have gone like; 'oh i need to know more' acquiring more bookish knowledge than applying it practicallly.
so we have a brief era of sex fiend tobirama where he acquires as much knowledge he can about sex from his experiments to collect 'data' which are basically sexy times. he might have explored;
how to please himself, how to please his lovers, various ways of orgasm and even his own sexual preferences and orientation.
then concluding that he might be a demisexual. but before that he definitely had his slutty phase consisting of sex? sex fantasies? role plays? sex toys, bdsm?, threesomes, gay sex?, gangbang? orgies? and a bluescreened hashirama and a tired and traumatized butsuma.
at least butsuma would have taken advantage of this new phase and sent tobirama on as many honeypot missions as possible.
Before anything. It's only my thoughts that based on situation in canon, like warring states era is really warring, haha. Also it based on my visions on Tobirama and Izuna (because even if we doesn't count Izuna as partner, he may be that pain in ass that should be taken in account)
I mean. Tobirama is quite careful and paranoid guy, as for me. And Izuna looks for any chance to kill him. Any useful weakness.
So. I see situation like this:
1. Tobirama discovered sex. He read a lot, he listened to other people talks; for now he isn't interested yet to try himself but he collects datas
2. He discovered his interest. Maybe he caught himself eyeing someone. Or his reaction on Izuna's moans (that bastard didn't mean it sexually, it was pain but still). Or wet dream. So he thinks about it. And thinks a lot.
3. I don't see him as literally sluttish guy. As for me, he was careful at choosing sex partners. It was like two or three before Konoha foundation, like some Nara or/and some advisor. Silent people who smart enough to don't talk anything and don't be noticed by Izuna who could target them and take all the weaknesses from their memories by sharingan.
But yeah, Tobirama IS experimenting guy. Shibari, wax-and-ice play, control play, almost anything to please his partner. Even shadow clones and suiton in the baths can be easily used for fun.
To me, demisexual isn't just "I want sex only with people who I like" but "I can't have really pleasure while partner isn't really enjoying as well". So he can allow a lot of things, like tying Tobirama as well.
But one of the serious restrictions for him: no bottoming. Tobirama knows that he is into this thing. That he likes to be controlled. That he would like bottom thing too much because his body kinda sensitive.
So he can't allow himself be into this with someone who isn't his one and only real partner.
4. And only with partner who gained his all trust. Who win over his heart. Who got under all shells and his skin.
Only with this partner Tobirama would allow himself be bottom and be his partner's eye candy, haha
But it's hard, yeah. Tobirama has like simple yet almost impossible wishes:
• partner should be smart enough to follow his thoughts
• partner should have some kind of power. I mean, there is no reason to just play "you can control me" for Tobirama, real power and control is much more enjoyable for him.
• guys a bit more preferable, civils almost out of pool (because Tobirama into power play, into clinging and a smaaaaaaaaall bit of roughness. He is very conscious that a little amount of women will be really into pushing on wall and be bitten, caught in bruising hands and so on. And for civils it may be traumatizing. So).
That's also kinda reason why I see as his partner only Izuna. Hashirama is brother and kinda idol, Madara has no power on him, and only Izuna can say "shut up" and sometimes Tobirama will shut up because really, Izuna can be so annoying that more reasonable to just shut up and don't deal with this evil son of the bitch later.
I'm not going for anyone head and I don't really judge
But personally I can't get the "asexual headcanon" about Tobirama. I mean, the guy has a passion in databook, how can he be asexual??? Maybe I don't know something about asexuals but to be honest Hashirama looks more asexual than Tobirama.
For me Tobirama is clearly demisexual. He has a standards, yeah, the standards just a bit higher than his ego but as for me he is obviously passionate in sex.
Personally I see him as experimental and quite creative with sex thing, and with kink for control. Shibari in completion as well, as part of control and be controlled kinks. Yeah, he has standards, he has a lot of thing before be ready to gave the control or be bottomed but still he will and would for that one person that caught his attention and love. Tobirama may mimic cold appearance as much as he love but he is passionate about his person, as for me
He is great match for Izuna in this. They may be quite passionate in bed but still have impression of cold and collected people.
Hello! I remember about my promise about rec-list fiction on Russian, it's just... took time to check all the fiction. After all, I took the two archives.
There is guide on Ficbook. It may be a bit confusing site but I tried to help you.
Also there is no my work in the list. I don't feel right to put any there. (Also it's too many of its xD)
Rec-list
Firstly, I decided to divide long one fiction and some hetero+femslash. It's a little of them so it would be easier to find. And then I decided to put pwp-section at the end. Don't worry, I put a note who is topping there it can be neccessary.
Long fiction
https://archiveofourown.org/works/21637192 — one of the best series. Fics has a lot of original lore and characters: TobiIzu go on looooong mission and slowly became the lovers. Also mention switching positions (Tobirama is mostly top)
I kinda recommends all of author's fics but this one made me fall in love with TobiIzu
https://ficbook.net/readfic/10134979 — it isn't really my thing. But I suppose someone may like it. As for me, idea of Tobirama as ficwriter kinda funny, it's me who just not into author's long thoughts about reasons of masks, lies and everything.
https://ficbook.net/readfic/10459604 — it has an interesting view on mokuton and hanahaki so may interest you as well. Also Izuna comforts stubborn Tobirama a lot.
Femslash
https://archiveofourown.org/works/60325198 —M. Almost pwp femslash tobiizu
https://archiveofourown.org/works/60303085 — femslash Tobiizu. 9k words of TobiIzu who can't properly talk xD
Hetero
https://ficbook.net/readfic/7859419 — fem!Izuna. A bit strange thing.
https://ficbook.net/readfic/6512146 — fem!Izuna. Help for enemy
Slash
https://archiveofourown.org/works/60559516 — small funny fic about Izuna-student and Tobirama as policeman
https://archiveofourown.org/works/60350080 — character death. Izuna and his emotions
https://archiveofourown.org/works/60349702 — crossover with asoiaf. TobiIzu and dragons
https://archiveofourown.org/works/56387317 — TobiIzu on work.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/56094535 — lonely Tobirama and kitty Izuna
https://archiveofourown.org/works/43532542 — specific soulmate au. In tags you may see madaizu and hashitobi but it almost doesn't exist in fic. I love the idea onesided soulmates but the end is pleasing as well.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/35898043 — TobiIzu on work again
https://archiveofourown.org/works/29585139 — TobiIzu but childhood frivals
https://archiveofourown.org/works/26564095 — gentle kiss
https://archiveofourown.org/works/26527771 — actually, i kinda love how author makes TobiIzu kinda... sharpy. On edge of love and annoyance
https://ficbook.net/readfic/018daf8e-afeb-72a6-b325-f64bf857c90b — top!Tobirama. Izuna does whatever he wants + plus Kagami.
https://ficbook.net/readfic/12952011/33295851 — top!Tobirama. I love the atmosphere that kinda hard to breath. But the second part may be triggering: mentioned child abuse, criminal past, selfharm
https://ficbook.net/readfic/12813904 — Tobirama in Izuna's genjutsu. But it's more like sad fic with happy end than a hot pwp.
https://ficbook.net/readfic/12504331 — nice, innocent children
https://ficbook.net/readfic/12487854 — top!Izuna. Pretty toxic relationship with the ghost.
https://ficbook.net/readfic/11083394 — soulmate au: same pain for the both
https://ficbook.net/readfic/11886866 — angst + ust. No happy end
https://ficbook.net/readfic/11657257 — after death. But more like fluff?
https://ficbook.net/readfic/11518071 — Tobirama is pissed, Izuna is taking advantage
https://ficbook.net/readfic/11252175 — top!Tobirama. Modern coffeeshop au
https://ficbook.net/readfic/10022660 — lapslock, top!Tobirama. Madara can't get into Hashirama bed, Izuna a bit more successful
https://ficbook.net/readfic/9972125 — doc!Tobirama busy with Izuna's cuts
https://ficbook.net/readfic/9890974 — a bit jealous Izuna
