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@anti-sj-mess
"God-killer. That’s what she was. A god-killer. She didn’t regret it. Not one bit" -Aelin. WEEEELL I guess Aelin is wonder woman now as well 🤷🏽
she’s killing a god? i’m so confused bc in another spoiler she declared herself a god, and yet now she’s killing gods. is it too much to ask she just implode from the sheer volume of contradictions? @runes-and-relics we need to make this happen.
“god-killer” is also from wonder woman (:
In regards to the insider gossip: I went to SJM's tour with a friend once & SJM seemed kind of annoyed on that day. Enough that she didn't even really chat with us when she signed our books & rolled her eyes when my friend was telling her how much those books helped her. It was a big f u to us, that even I who never held back with comments said to SJM after she signed the book that I didn't pay for a bad attitude. She looked like a fish out of water at that and I just left the store at that.
holy crap, she rolled her eyes?? whaaaat the fuuuuck??? and bloomsbuy continues to send her on tours. bizaaaaare (also high five for you being a badass and throwing it back in her face! wish I could’ve seen a live shot of that 😂)
For fuck's sakeeee !!!! Is this hell? Am I having a bad dream? Cause I can't find another possible explanation as to why Bloomsbury will agree to publish yet another Acotrash novella given how utter garbage Aco/fas was! Idk, i thought they maybe, MAYBE wouldn't trust sjm to write novellas from now on, just normal books, but it's clear that no word of criticism reaches their ears. But there's still the low GR rating of Aco/fas. I mean, it's lower than any other sjm book, why isn't this a red flag
yo my immediate thought here was that this could be the reason blooms decided to push the new ac0tar novel back to 2020, and there isn’t any publication date on the ac0tar novella 3.2 on goodreads (there may have been before…lemme see if i can find the post on my blog, bc i know i did a post about it before. mm nope it was just the novel publishing in 2019). however, i don’t remember when blooms pushed back the date, but it makes me wonder if they’ll now use that extra time to address some of the stuff that was said when soap dick popped up. if they want to salvage sj/m’s image in the publishing world at large (which is a debatable outcome, since that wouldn’t rectify anything imo) they’d be smart to use that extra time to bring sj/m to heel enough so she actually accepts editorial comments. but i also doubt it’ll change anything in cres/cent city, since that’s a new category and they might not care enough to try to fix her books there.
us every time we think these hell series might possibly have an end in sight:
sj/m:
how dare you disrespect my precious baby kevin by comparing him to sj/mess
I saw a post in the "anti K/oA" tag sometime ago, and it was mainly about how we supposedly criticize Alien for her actions, but not Dor/ian or Cha/ol too, implying of course that we wouldn't have minded Alien's bullshit if she were a man, but were I really began seeing red was when the op said Alien was a bisexual icon. Bitch where? If Alien taking note of Lys/andra's ample cleavage or curves is bi rep for you, then I'm out. It was clearly just to remind the readers that she has smaller breasts
what i hate is how stans are always so quick to shout about how Chaol was so horrible for treating sardines the way he did in t0g when…he was literally doing his job? sardines was a notorious assassin and Chaol the captain of the guard so there is literally no argument there.
and alien as a bisexual icon…what the fuck. this salty bi says hell fucking no. i think alien noticing Lysandra’s boobs was also sexualize her. sj/m has some weird obsession with describing women’s bodies as “sinful” and making her male characters notice boobs first and foremost, and i just…nooooooo.
As a bisexual… I do not want her
as another bi sexual i do not see her as a bi sexual for starring at a woman’s curves bc every girl does that to compare to themselves ... a sad truth. alien only likes fae peen and that’s the truth
This is from the same post where this one person said that books aren’t made to be criticized
Just because someone hasn’t written a book doesn’t mean that they can’t critique it.
Btw : this whole post is still in the anti tag
Also my darling like all of the anti friends I have on tumblr all of them are aspiring writers. Like half of the anti community is actually filled with writers. So phaleeese.
no offense (full fucking offense) but i’m writing 4 books on wattpad and all of them are a lot better than the smut trash SJ/Mess produces
So can we all agree SJ/Mess is going to rip off the hunger games to make alien a “victim” and have her “rise from the ashes” like the phoenix that somehow gets tattooed on her back. she is going to make everything about alien and possibly rip off more pieces of stories and maybe side line a LGBTQ character just to support the hetero ships and characters
I really love coming across bullshit like this . . .
So I was reading one of the red queen books (either 3 or 4) and there’s literally “caz, brekker,” in the book lol is there ever a time where authors have to edit how things are written so they don’t sound like copying something else or is it mainly like this where she named the characters caz and brekker so it’s just gonna stay that way?
iirc aveyard did that as kinda a nod to bardugo (she also named a character bracken or something similar due to her friendship with alex bracken). i’ve done that before, too, where i’ll throw in references to my other work, my friends’ work, or even my friends. 😊
VA has spoken up about mentioning other authors characters in her books who she is friends with. I honestly admire that so much because you know authors respect each other and are close friends when they literally give you like a “you’re an amazing friend and you are a great author” nod. now THAT is squadgoals
I read E0S when I was thirteen. I didn't even realize the sex scenes were happening until it got so uncomfortable I finally understood what it was. I actually really liked T0G at the time (RIP past me), but it felt so invasive and gross and I hated it. Every other person my age I've met who's liked it hated the sex scenes. As someone who is in the younger age of what counts as YA, I absolutely do not think there should be explicit sex in YA novels. (Part 1/3)
Any person older than me does not have ground to stand on when talking about sex. “Teens have sex. Get over it.” THAT DOESN’T MEAN IT SHOULD BE IN BOOKS MARKETED AND SHELVED AS YA. I’m a child, and I really don’t trust any adult who argues for explicit sex in books marketed to me. I’m 14, I shouldn’t have to worry about erotica in books marketed to me. Just because some of my peers can handle doesn’t mean I can, doesn’t mean my friends can, and doesn’t mean we should have to. (Part 2/3)
There was no warning before the sex started, at least none that were available to me. I had to read parts of an explicit sex scene, because there wasn’t a warning and I didn’t know when to skip it. I’m just. urgghhhh. I’m mad. (Part 3/3)
YESSSSSSS. jesus christ. teens have sex, yes, but adults should not be writing explicit sex into the young adult novels they are going to publish as young adult and have marketed to young adults. you said it perfectly, yo, and i’m so glad i have so many teens in my asks right now. you guys are the ones we should be listening to! i can talk publishing jargon all i want but in the end, you guys should have the final word bc you are literally the goddamn demographic that young adult books are written for.
and e0s was so fucked up. for sj/m to suddenly throw adult content into a series that, until then, had been suitable for ya is one of the worst things i’ve seen an author do. and the fact it has taken this long for the world at large to speak up about this is just…disappointing, i guess is the world i’m looking for.
this is coming directly from a person who is a YOUNG ADULT and no one has the right to say anything against this
So I have about three different works in progress that all have Fae in them. I would classify each work as NA but it involves sexual content and graphic violence. None of my Fae are the same between each book: one book has Fae with animalistic features such as scales or feathers; one book has Fae that look normal but have stronger features with a “godly beauty” who also have parties all the time and are all pretty much bi sexual; one book has Fae that look normal but have strangely colored eyes that show their powers and some have wings and special markings.
I really just wanted to talk about my special Fae babies.
thank you for coming to my ted talk
Sex isn't just divided into "fade out" and "erotica". Good sex writing isn't a bad thing even in YA, like idk what you think you're protecting teens from?? Not advocating for sjm's bs writing, but fade out isn't the only thing acceptable on YA. What's more important is consent, respect and not whether something faded to black. Jfc
christ i can’t believe how many times i have to say this so imma just be graphic for a bit down below the cut. fair warning, guys. and i’m not in the best of moods bc i am so fucking tired of people arguing with me about sex in ya literature. so just a fair warning to anyone who happens across this that this is far beyond what i usually sound like in my asks and i apologize in advance.
anon, i don’t mean to sound harsh, but i am so fucking frustrated that you’re trivializing all of this.
so, full disclosure so people understand that i know what i’m talking about: i am a writer of ya, i have a ya literary agent, i have mentored ya in numerous contests, i have helped authors go on to sell their ya, i have been on submission to editors with my ya, and i can guarantee that every single publisher of ya fiction will not accept explicit sex of sj/m’s caliber in the books they purchase.
i am talking about young adult literature here. literature that will be browsed by ten year olds and twelve year olds and fifteen year olds and eighteen year olds. it doesn’t matter how old the person is when it comes to publishing ya fiction because ya fiction has a standard to meet with the content no matter what, and sj/m has skirted right past that standard for the sole reason she is a bestseller with a huge name and thus can get away with that in her books (with her publisher, anyway, not fellow industry professionals as evidenced by the soap dick fiasco). if a fifteen year old wants sex in their books, there are numerous places in bookstores where they can go in search of it. that needs to be their prerogative, so the average kid who is not ready for graphic sex can have a section of the bookstore that they feel safe in.
if you were ready to read about sex at age fifteen, that’s fantastic. your opinion on this matter can not dictate what is and is not acceptable for ya. when i was sixteen i was reading adult books because i sought them out. if a teen is ready for sex in books, they can seek books out that have sex. in most bookstores, there are two aisles of young adult books and numerous aisles for adult books.
to make it clear: i am a huge advocate for positive sex representation in books. sj/m does not write sex positivity. she writes abuse romanticization and porn.
this is sex positivity in ya literature: you can and should mention lube, condoms, contraception, etc, and you absolutely can and should have your characters discuss consent, what boundaries they have, how far/fast they are willing to go, etc. but you cannot write sex through beginning, middle, and end and expect to publish your work in the young adult category, even if you are a teenage writer.
on that note, authors of young adult fiction are 99% adults. characters in young adult fiction are in their teens. an adult should not be writing graphic sexual content between two minors. this is why sj/m made faerug 19 and alien 18 (now 19), and made her male characters all either in their 20s or centuries old. she is barely passing by bc she wrote her characters as adults and thus it is “acceptable” for her to write them having explicit sex. but, again, sj/m is the exception to the rule due to her status.
and as you pointed out that “fade out” and “erotica” aren’t the only levels of sex there are, i’ll break that down, too: erotica-level sex belongs in the erotica section of the bookstore. graphic sex belongs in the adult sections of the bookstore. fade to black sex belongs in the ya section of the bookstore. go to your local bookstore and take a look around, you’ll see the divisions.
and here comes the graphic part. i’ll stick it below a cut bc, wow, i can respect people who are not ready for sex being unwittingly thrown in their faces.
Keep reading
this is beautiful
sj/m writing sex through the years
i couldn’t resist, @discountalien-pancake
me when ppl try to justify the animalistic smut that always includes some toxicity and growling:
am I the only person who doesn’t care if YA books have sex scenes?
I’ve been reading graphic adult books (not marketed as erotica, just books from the regular ole fantasy section) since I was 13 years old and I just skimmed parts of the book that didn’t interest me, and when I was in the target age for YA, I was actively seeking out sexual content from other sources. Ofc my experience isn’t universal, but including sexual content in stories marketed to teenagers is hardly a new thing.
Yes, this is about the recent SJM scandal, and no, its not supposed to be support for SJM at all. Her books are blatantly anti-feminist, slut-shaming, woman-hating, white washed and straight washed–but its sex scenes between consenting adult characters that gets Tumblr and Twitter in a tizzy? ok, fam.
Her sex scenes are disgusting and come under erotica. There’s a difference between good sex and complete erotica. And sjms books are erotic and hence belong in the adult section.
good sex scenes in YA (as i put in another post) is a writer writing about intimacy while not physically mentioning a male jizzing or graphically describing such things. YA means writing about intimacy while not getting too sexual and using a fade out to keep it PG-13.
thanks for coming to my ted talk ✌🏻
Looool erotica absolutely does not belong in ya, which is what sjm writes. Her sex scenes evolved from good and appropriate (see com) a long time ago.
EXACTLY. ofc none of us are advocating to not have sex in ya; i don’t see how anyone can think that? when we say that sj/m should not be writing smut in a ya series, we mean graphic sex that includes the beginning, middle, and end of sex in explicit detail that leaves little to the imagination. when we say that sj/m should not be writing smut in a ya series, we mean she should still be following the type of fade-to-black scene that she utilized in c0m, as you said. sj/m is going far and above acceptable ya content.
and it’s not like antis are the only ones talking about it? nearly every author who spoke up about the soap dick has said something along the lines of the sexual content is not acceptable for ya books. if someone wants sex in books that badly, there are other books in different categories that a 13yo might not accidentally stumble across.
so yes, talk about sexual abuse, talk about drugs, talk about misogyny, etc etc–those things need to be talked about and ya is just as good a place as any, especially bc teens are going to be dealing with that. but it can’t be graphic in nature. that’s why 13rw is in such hot water, too: it showed a suicide in explicit detail when that was not needed. teens know what suicide is. showing them that in a tv show that makes light of suicide??? that’s probably gonna be extremely triggering for many of their target audience.
but there just comes a time when you can’t argue with people anymore (especially when they block you for polite arguments). i hope that person (stanti?) stays out of the anti tag, though i won’t know bc they blocked me. so.
so Victoria A/veyard I feel has a good way of portraying sex scenes in her books. she writes about them kissing and being intimate but doesn’t call the males member “believer wrapped steel” and does a more common fade out of the scene so she doesn’t write graphic smut unlike SJ/Mess. That is what I call appropriate sex scenes in YA, SJ/Mess’s smut belongs in NA
YES. EXACTLY. that’s the kind of sex that is acceptable in ya, not porn.
(also best typo ever 😂)
lmao i just saw my stupid typo 😂😂 well we all know what i meant and i think i got y word across in the proper way (with a good ole typo)
Looool erotica absolutely does not belong in ya, which is what sjm writes. Her sex scenes evolved from good and appropriate (see com) a long time ago.
EXACTLY. ofc none of us are advocating to not have sex in ya; i don’t see how anyone can think that? when we say that sj/m should not be writing smut in a ya series, we mean graphic sex that includes the beginning, middle, and end of sex in explicit detail that leaves little to the imagination. when we say that sj/m should not be writing smut in a ya series, we mean she should still be following the type of fade-to-black scene that she utilized in c0m, as you said. sj/m is going far and above acceptable ya content.
and it’s not like antis are the only ones talking about it? nearly every author who spoke up about the soap dick has said something along the lines of the sexual content is not acceptable for ya books. if someone wants sex in books that badly, there are other books in different categories that a 13yo might not accidentally stumble across.
so yes, talk about sexual abuse, talk about drugs, talk about misogyny, etc etc–those things need to be talked about and ya is just as good a place as any, especially bc teens are going to be dealing with that. but it can’t be graphic in nature. that’s why 13rw is in such hot water, too: it showed a suicide in explicit detail when that was not needed. teens know what suicide is. showing them that in a tv show that makes light of suicide??? that’s probably gonna be extremely triggering for many of their target audience.
but there just comes a time when you can’t argue with people anymore (especially when they block you for polite arguments). i hope that person (stanti?) stays out of the anti tag, though i won’t know bc they blocked me. so.
so Victoria A/veyard I feel has a good way of portraying sex scenes in her books. she writes about them kissing and being intimate but doesn’t call the males member “believer wrapped steel” and does a more common fade out of the scene so she doesn’t write graphic smut unlike SJ/Mess. That is what I call appropriate sex scenes in YA, SJ/Mess’s smut belongs in NA
So there has been a lot going on with this book box. People have decided the terrible soap dicks brought attention to this box (which it has) but now there is the issue of this book box company selling fan fiction which is wholly illegal. People can be sued from this and the company/insta account is getting a lot of backlash for it for good reasons. But the fact that SJ/Mess has posted on her instagram account but has yet to speak on this subject while other authors are doing so angers me beyond belief. In interviews she has stated that she does not read fan fiction in fear of copying (which she does from fanboys published authors but it’s okay for some reason) yet there is a whole booklet of smut fan fiction in this book along with the soap dick (???)
this whole situation blows my mind the more it progresse but SJ/Mess’s silence is the worst of it all
She said she doesn’t read fanfiction of her own books? Back in 2015 she replied to a fan’s tweet tagging SJM with a link to FanFiction dot net and said it and the writer were awesome (I have receipts). The fan also said they shared the work with her because SJM asked them too (I guess in a previous interaction).
Her views might have changed since then or she didn’t actually read it but said she did, but SJM definitely can’t claim she’s never read fanfic of her own works.
oooofffff course she did
So there has been a lot going on with this book box. People have decided the terrible soap dicks brought attention to this box (which it has) but now there is the issue of this book box company selling fan fiction which is wholly illegal. People can be sued from this and the company/insta account is getting a lot of backlash for it for good reasons. But the fact that SJ/Mess has posted on her instagram account but has yet to speak on this subject while other authors are doing so angers me beyond belief. In interviews she has stated that she does not read fan fiction in fear of copying (which she does from fanboys published authors but it’s okay for some reason) yet there is a whole booklet of smut fan fiction in this book along with the soap dick (???)
this whole situation blows my mind the more it progresse but SJ/Mess’s silence is the worst of it all
