୨୧ · · unova

୨୧ ˳ ⠀19 ⠀、 kie / kir ⠀ ⏖ system ⠀、 no set DNI ⠀、 all int welcome! ❛ sp ︔ absolutecharm ⟢

[appledex]

𓎢𓎟  I don't ever wanna pick a slice  ┈ 

⠀⠀ unova⠀sinnoh⠀⠀⠀ ⠀kie kir ONLY ⠀⠀ 19yo⠀⠀⠀ taken by the loml CDD⠀system⠀⠀⠀masc⠀trms

hii! i’m unova or sinnoh, a dissociative system that’s very passionate about all things plural and all things internet! our current headcount is unknown except for our primary front rotation who will be posting on here as we go, feel free to ask us questions or reach out at any point!

we made this account for us to share our experiences and opinions as well as anything else we want to talk about! we find it quite hard being social generally but are trying to use this as a stepping stone to being more open and making more friends

we don't have a set DNI but will block freely! overall we can come off as aggressive or blunt but that's simply in our nature. interact carefully with us please!

[appledex]

i may or may not have sprained my ankle,, it’s ok i can flex on games that i’m playing them with a busted leg

[appledex]

haiii ur account is so cute + you're based + always nice to see another sys around. for funsies whats ur opinion on krusie (platonic and/or romantic idgaf just The Duo in general)

thank you!! YOUR account is cute and so is your art,, and you’re also based,,

i love krusie both platonic and romantic they just make me so ill,, they deserve to be happy for the rest of their lives ough,, i really love the dynamic they have and the closeness between them that everyone else sees,, their duo is soooo underrated i find sometimes because a large chunk of the fandom focuses ONLY on shipping, i love shipping too but i also love to just enjoy all the friendships in the game

[starsarescripting]

ok so I'm just mad at how stupid this part is, no attacking anyone of course BUT.

It was 2 days ago. How much can change in 2 DAYS to lead you to shutdown, completely changing your stance on the app.

[h0ll0wporcelain]

its called system accessibility tools because every single one of them is SHUTTING DOWN! octocon? SHUTTING DOWN! lighthouse? SHUT(TING?) DOWN! simplyplural, by far the biggest disability tool for systems, thats been used by hundreds of users daily to manage their system, for years? SSSSHUTTING DOWN!!!!!

[appledex]

Just wanted to let you know writelighthouse isn't dead! They re-opened signups within the last week due to the whole simplyplural thing! They are still open at the time I sent this ask for account registration!

i’m aware! and very happy over this as writelighthouse is something i’ve used for a while now and love to recommend! when i last mentioned them it was when asks were closed indefinitely so this is good news

[maderonni]

I get the idea behind saying "don't harass octo n sp's devs it's not gonna do anything n ur an asshole for that"

But like, nobody has been harassing them. I haven't seen anyone say that or show that besides the Dev's announcements seem to imply that they're getting some amount of backlash in the public discord chats. None of it is harassment, mostly disbelief and some trolls being trolls.

There was ONE change.org petition to ask to get sp to be open source and Amaryllis replied positively. We're allowed to criticize the decisions made and nobody is mad at the publicly shown reason for them shutting down.

We're mad at the fact Octo was advertised as an alternative for SP, then 2 days later is shutting down, we're mad at the fact we're given 2 WEEKS notice for Octo, we're mad at the fact Octo allegedly housed a pedo in a server full of minors for an extended period of time, we're mad that we have no more options like SP to go to at the moment, We're mad people were swindled out of their money when they were given false promises.

We're allowed to criticize the devs, their apps, and their descisions without belittling their mental health. That's not harassment.

"they took time out of their day to develop these apps... you shouldn't criticize them so harshly, they have every reason to back out and don't owe you anything" they also asked for money and were given money, and promised something out of it, no users were given what they paid for, and they immediately cancelled after implementing this. Octocon's Patreon is already down. SP+'s subscriptions have been reportedly difficult to cancel to some users, so yeah! they do owe at least some users something out of it! I haven't seen any reported refunds yet!

[appledex]

I mean, once again from some insider rumours, there were a couple of people who would put themselves down as apart of the Simply Plural Development team when I had to put up a specific acceptiance form. And that was months before this whole thing, I want to say September of 2025? so it made me assume SP was a team effort, especially since there were a couple of people who claimed to be on the team, and then after New Years saying they either left from the stress or were 'layed off" (quotes cause it was volunteer work). So for me it's quite hard to believe that SP was a one dev job, could it be at the start? yeah absolutly. but later on? hard to believe.

But either way, it's all fish that SP's dev would be so buddy-buddy with Atlas, cry about the hardship of being a solo dev, and then pour the load onto another solo dev.

i wonder if the use of “solo dev” is more so “all the other coders / etc were volunteers” or something similar that has convinced their own mind that they’re the only one to be thanked / held responsible. i have seen people call themselves apart of development for simply plural and always just assumed the solo dev thing was more “i am the sole original creator, i made the base code” but to see the last few days they say they’re fully the only person involved has caught me very off guard

YES!! a solo dev using the app they’re having to shut down then passing the exact same situation on to someone else? either one or neither of you are solo devs or you are just the cruelest person ever currently

[appledex]

Also not to mention all the blaming of "ITS YOUR FAULT" posts showing up.. I've yet to see anyone doing actual harassment. At least on tumblr

I'm not saying there hasn't been any harassment because i haven't seen it, just that i fear SOME ( not all ) people are talking about valid criticism.

Not to mention as someone who also has OCD these kind of "YOU THE READER IS AT FAULT" posts is making me upset / paranoid even though I've not said or done anything but its making me second guess myself anyway due system amnesia.

This website is not friendly for ppl w OCD

i don’t doubt there’s probably some harassment, a lot of what both staff / devs and users are calling harassment is either criticism or just people expressing they’re upset at the situation or upset with the devs which is normal?? and expected?? you are shutting down an app in less than two weeks JUST after promising not to be shutting down anytime soon and encouraging already stressed people to use your platform

and the way most posts are calling out the reader is just,,, ugh,, the way a lot of people are typing their posts in defence if the devs is just disgusting and with no sympathy for other users and people

this site and its user bases is not one of the best for people with OCD, i honestly close it whenever the posts start to affect me

[appledex]

( not trying to start syscourse, i would never, this is just something i noticed and i wouldn't be surprised if there are people on other ends doing similar )

Noticing a few anti endos blaming endos / pro endos for octocon and simply plural shutting down...

I don't care what stance anyone has, now is not the time to blame one side or another???? Lets all just grieve what we are losing and help each other make something new? If anything we should be working together so an app can exist without any one sided biases ?

on one side of the coin i see both sides of the community coming together over this and i’ve found it really heartwarming

but in the other side i see SO much hate from anti-endos, blaming endogenic systems or straight up insulting their ideas and statements even if they agree just to be spiteful

and all these shutdowns and new apps is just bringing up the discourse of what defines a system or specific terms allll over again and i’m sick and tired of it

[foggity]

never ask a woman her age a man his salary a system what happened on the second week of march 2026

[futching]

octocon after. advertising itself as the refugee platform for sp users. and then immediately shutting down. Ok bro

[appledex]

"come to our app!! we can replace simply plural!"

shuts down for almost the exact same reasons in less than three days

[appledex]

I knew octocon was gonna pull the plank from underneath everything. this is only my speculation but it trully felt super strange that SP, who is on great speaking terms with Octocon, would urge people to go to an app that they likely knew would be shutting down. or at the very least would know the stability of it, especially since to the SP dev they know very well how hard it is to be a solo dev, which Octocon alledgedly has.

between you and me, it truly wasnt a solo dev job (or at the very least for SP), it was more of a 'taking solo credit for a team effort' thing.

i am not surprised about octocon flaking like this AT ALL,, i predicted it happening eventually from way back when i first heard of it which is one of the reasons i never fully tried to use it even before simply plural's shut down

i was also a bit shocked at the idea of one solo dev who's quitting due to such immediately passing that load onto the next who also has way less support and donations to not being as well known,, very odd or uncaring in my opinion, or both

i can't say whether either actually is or isn't a solo project, i'm sure the core of it was solo but other than that i won't be surprised if there was even partial help more than we know due to HOW MUCH all this actually is

[appledex]

so octocon is also shutting down (as i predicted) just after everyone finally settled down and started properly migrating. i feel bad for longer term users as well as newer users who are just trying to find a consistent platform. i don’t think this is a time to be blaming either side of the user base as this was a developer choice that was bound to happen with all the attention. once again, i don’t think big things such as this should be ran solo as its simply too much for one person to bear

at least octocon is open source which is all people want from simply plural. but that just goes to show how easy it is for an app to be open source without any fuss,, cough cough amaryllis cough,, if simply plural doesn’t end up becoming open source then i’m personally going to end up using a bit of octocons code and some of my own tweaks to try make an app that feels more familiar like simply plural

[appledex]

Maybe, just maybe, plural apps shouldn’t be a single dev thing? That would help with a lot of these problems and make it less likely for the community to get fucked over because one person decided to fuck off and be a dick.

i whole heartedly agree,, i won’t be surprised if octocon falls the same as simply plural seeing as it’s also a singular dev and is already struggling with the influx of users and is still fairly new and has regularly had maintenance issues the whole time i’ve known about it

[appledex]

I WAS RIGHT!!! I KNEW IT!!

[appledex]

aa to answer the anons' questions. I am somewhat** affiliated with TPA, wont say how cause it'll be very obvious who I am. As per the scam website, I don't know much, all i have to say is be weary, especially now with everyone scrambling and trying to make their own plural apps.

good to know,, i hope everyone has enough sense to be wary of a dozen new apps popping up

[appledex]

I want to start this off by saying that we are on the more endo neutral/anti endo side of believing than not BUT we will not harass anyone who claims to be an endo cause we're normal fucking people. Plus I'm an alter in the system who doesn't hold back my opinions so I seem really mean and rude and rambley so just a heads up

I'm so glad we're not the only system who thinks there's some shady shit with SP's dev. Like launching Simply Plus a few months ago (don't exactly remember when) then during the announcement of sunsetting the app you say you've been thinking about this for months? THEN WHY DID YOU RELEASE A PAID VERSION OF SP?!?!?! Not to mention it coming out that SP's dev helped out octocons dev who was (and lets face it still is) anti endo when (correct me if I'm wrong) SP's dev was an endo themselves?

There's so much shady talk around SP's dev and the way there handling things it's like they want everyone to go "well that sucks" and move on and not think about anything when people shouldn't do that especially if they put money into the app itself? Like where did the money go was it all used to fund the app like it should have been? IDN

Also not to mention that they said they didn't want to give away the source code and make it open source (I think??? I know there was problems with handing it off to a team even though a team worked on SP which don't get me started on that) because it could leak privacy? If the code leaks privacy then it's shitty code and your a shitty coder point blank.

OMG so much with the dev just pisses me the fuck off honestly. Should people harass them FUCK NO if you do that your a horrible person but you don't have to suck up all your deserved anger and hold your tongue.

Literally while writing this Octocon had announced a statement about their past in their discord too I know I'm not talking about Octocon (I haven't read the post yet but I like that there owning up to their shady past instead of ignoring it)

IDN how to end this ramble fest off

i don’t doubt that all the money went towards the app but i do think it’s shitty to not express when releasing a new feature that there is a chance for the app to be shutting down soon, especially when there’s an annual subscription feature. i think helping other developers is fine and a good idea but when you aren’t transparent about the specifics of that help and make only that app be your main recommendation? i find that odd and shady,,

i saw someone mention that the reason they may not want to give out the source code is due to privacy concerns in the code which is fine but i think if they explained that people would be far more understanding than how vague they’re being. as well as how they’re making self hosting an option essentially only if people stop criticising them entirely and if they find enough time through the hate,, it overall just seems like a huge power play thing to me than anything else, but that’s just my opinion 🤷 i don’t doubt they’ve been harassed and deserve a break before focusing on self hosting but they way they’ve phrased it and still don’t want to make it open source overall is just peculiar to me

i’m currently reading octocon’s statement and weighing the situation for myself but ignoring explicit allegations, people are allowed to dislike an app! wether it be the ui or the loading or just simply moving apps,, nobody is forced to like your app and people are allowed to express that. i think that’s the hardest thing about singularly ran projects such as these, the criticism can feel so much more personal and like an attack when it’s often just pointing out the obvious

i don’t think anyone deserves to be harassed but i do think both devs, especially amaryllis, need to learn to close the social sites and take a minute,, there’s an option to step away and breathe without needing to shut everyone down and force people to not even be allowed to criticise you