A What If... Marvel Writing Prompt/Idea
What if ... Thanos were a little bit smarter? He knows he makes enemies wherever he goes and that his decision with the gauntlet would basically turn the rest of the universe against him. So, what if, for his wish to the stones, he didnât just ask for half the universe to be erased, but also forgotten?
The only person who remembers the people who used to be is Scott Lang, recently released from being trapped for five years in the quantum realm. Heâs coming back to a very different world that doesnât truly know itâs changed. How will he convince the remaining Avengers that they need to get their asses into gear and fix everything?
So, I want to preface this by saying that my brain works in a lot of jumps and starts so some of this will be oddly detailed paragraphs and some will just be bullet points of general overviews. Though the bullet points might also get slightly detailed â I love a good sub-point. I also wish to say that this is not everything I have on my idea, but a lot of my other notes are just general timelines in bullet format of the MCU.
Speaking of the MCU, this is a mashup of MCU and some comic lore. I havenât seen much of the MCU works since Endgame with the exceptions of No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and Deadpool and Wolverine. I know that many of the characters that I reference in this have continued storylines in the MCU at the moment, but screw the MCU to be honest, a lot of their decisions are frustrating.
Iâd also like to mention that I found a decent amount of inspiration from the author @gozzer on AO3 and their Marvel WIPs. Specifically, chapters 3, 4, and 8. I donât know how exactly to tag them since this isnât an inspired by work, just that I want to recognize that I have found inspiration in their stuff.
I so so so hope someone can find inspiration in my ramblings and loose thought trails. Thatâs the ultimate goal for me. Iâm never going to be one of the really great authors on here that churns out hundreds of thousands of words that make you feel things for a character you never thought you would, but maybe I can give one of them an inkling of what their next story might be.
So, onto the story as I see it:
In this, Scott would still be taken out of the quantum portal by the rat in the realm and have his stumble to Maggieâs house, but this time around there are no memorial stones to honor those who got dusted, or missing persons posters everywhere. He can tell something is off but not what until he gets to Maggieâs and asks about Cassie and Maggie and Jim have no idea what/who heâs talking about. Then he starts seeing the things he missed â less people, less cars, less noise, etc. Maggie tries to ask where heâs been for the past five years, but Scott is spiraling and hightails it back to the van. Uses the van to find Luis and asks for help understanding what heâs missed, Luis does his classic recap but heâs not mentioning anything related to Hank or Hope or Janet. Scott asks, but again, another person who has no clue what heâs talking about. He asks Luis to go with him to New York to find some information and Luis is the best ever so he says yes and they set off for the Avengerâs compound. Natasha and Steve are watching the security cameras like in the movie and let him in but this time instead of being focused on time/quantum travel, heâs focused on that fact that so many people are missing and no one realizes.
He'll have all this evidence that will compound as more players enter, such as Carol and later Tony and Nebula. His big piece of evidence is the âcivil warâ, thatâs just a really sad fight when most of the people donât exist. And it doesnât entirely make sense if Buckyâs not there, and what happened later between Tony and Steve definitely wonât make sense without Bucky (though this would be Tonyâs piece to say since Scott wouldnât know about it.)
Iâd kind of want FRIDAY to be able to remember people but not as an ai/ system, but as a person kind of. Like she doesnât exactly remember Peter, but she remembers Underoos, or the Pirate for Fury, maybe even Manchurian Candidate for Bucky. Maybe also an archived version of JARVIS still exists and is scrounged up by FRIDAY, Karen, EDITH, whoever as they band together because their systems are telling them something is wrong. And JARVIS pops up is just all, where is everyone? Especially would be cool if he had a semi-conscious state in Vision the entire time and so is like really focused on where Vision is and no one can answer. Like Tonyâs all weepy about JARVIS being back, and JARVIS is like yeah no missed you too, whereâs my son?????
I kind of also have this set in my head as a Scott/Tony/Stephen fic with a three-pronged point of view approach. Scott would know everything thatâs happened and is trying to get everything back to normal. Tony would be focused on the present and trying to fix everything as a way of coping/not dealing with his trauma. Stephen would be in the Soul Stone either watching over them, or watching over the people in the stone along with others like Tâchalla, Sam, Bucky, etc.
This is vaguely how this will be set up: my take on the stones, my take on the runes of kof-kol, quantum vs time travel, the three main povs, ships I have in mind, and then random add-ons Iâve thought of, Gozzer related stuff
Stones were created with the Big Bang and have been searching for and/or hopping champions ever since
Only champions have full access to their stoneâs ability (such as the Aether has been Lokiâs since he was born, but it was temporarily controlled by the dark elves and Jane Foster)
Thanos has always been a set event/person so the stones all needed a champion during this time period and drew them together
They try to stay away from each other so that those like Thanos who wish to collect them donât have any easy time
Stephen - Time (eye of Agomotto)
Is able to bend with time, has lived millions of lifetimes
He makes souls with his bots and ais
Mantis - Mind (scepter and later Visionâs)
She can control people and manipulate their emotions already and is half-celestial (Ego)
Trickster god thatâs been wearing a full coverage disguise so convincing he didnât even know his entire life
Goose (Flerkens as a species) -Space (Tessaract)
Have a pocket dimension inside each of them
The tesseract is entrusted to the species as a whole either because flerkens were made specifically to be carriers/champions of the Space stone or because of their individual pocket dimensions
Tesseract gets passed from flerken to flerken based on their own system (I do not know flerken politics)
Possibly thereâs one specific entrusted line of flerkens that Goose is descended from????
Home planet was destroyed during the age of Eson the Searcher, so they became a wandering/nomadic species
Her body was made into a weapon always ready for an upgrade
Is actually able to use the stones in the comics so sheâs good
This is the basis for how Thanos makes people forget the ones dusted (obviously inspired by No Way Home)
Have the ability to make an entire universe forget a person, thing, or event
Possible to make certain people exempt but must be part of the original casting
At peak potency, it can wipe any traces of an entity from existence, even from the caster
Past accomplishments and events affected by said entity arenât touched, just redirected (i.e. people saved by Spiderman donât suddenly die)
Quantum travel: time travel vs dimension travel:
The quantum realm sits in its own pocket of reality so isnât affected by the reality stones, which makes it immune to the snap in general. But also quantum travel would be about different realities rather than different times. To me it makes more sense that the âtime heistâ was dimension (quantum) travel rather than time travel as they change the events taking place and even interact with their own selves (Captain and Captain) but the current events donât change at all nor do new memories surface. Itâs most likely that they stole some other realityâs stones rather than getting the stones from an earlier point in time like they believed. Especially if theyâre using the quantum technology that Janet, Hank, and Scott have created. Why would quantum energy send them back in time? It just doesnât make sense to me. And while I kind of hate how the TVA basically made the infinity stones obsolete with how they constantly steal the stones and gauntlets, it does help me with my theory. (Screw the TVA they deserve to be snapped (I say this from the point of view specifically seen from Deadpool and Wolverine))
Also, doing it this way forces Steve to not be a douche and stay back in time when he was supposed to be returning the stones. I mean the ripples of that alone would be abysmal. Would Peggy even found SHIELD if Steve is with her? He knows all these things like Nazi dude in the computer at Point whats-it and everything that Bucky has to go through, and Mr. âTill the end of the lineâ just sits back and lets it happen??? No.
Scott-centric at least to start off with
Bill (og Goliath) gets snapped before he and Ava leave the country so sheâs stuck hiding from the government, trying to find Scott
Maybe gets taken in by Luis, Kurt, and Dave? (irresponsible older brother types)
At least keeps tabs on all of them to see if Scott shows back up
Definitely sneaks into the back of the van when Scott and Luis go to the Compound
Scott parents the heck out of her
Scott gets the Goliath suit, and Luis takes over as Goliath
Also, side note, I really donât think Luis would be holding up all that well without Scott, especially cause to him Scott just kind of disappears for 5 years
I think it would kind of break something in him and when Scott gets back, he would try and be his normal happy self but itâs not quite right
He was initially in the QR for the same reasons â to get quantum particles for Ava to stabilize her
I want him to have a little more back bone
Like his daughter is not only gone, but her own mother canât remember she ever existed
No letting Tony or Cap or any of them walk all over him
And he wouldnât let them willy-knilly have the Pym particles
He wouldnât betray Hank like that
The others would think he made them since Hank doesnât exist and heâs all like âno, these are Hankâsâ âWhoâs Hank?â âA guy your dad screwed overâ âYouâre gonna have to be more specific for thatâ
Scott is a genius and I want that genuinely acknowledged
Tonyâs pov could start on the ship or during the battle of titan (I have the very beginnings of a titan based prologue written down if anyone is interested)
Semi-Superior Ironman as Nebula uses technology to fix as much of Tony as she can while theyâre stranded (itâs what she knows)
Could be a great bonding moment with Nebula â shared trauma yay
Though it could happen other times - the two that stick out the most would be the end of IM3 or Civil War Siberia fight
Exodus could also be used, either as a dormant function waking up when his body becomes damaged in CW or in Infinity Wars
Tony is uber depressed and can kind of feel like things are wrong/gone because of his status as the Soul stone champion and feeling that there should be more souls around
He keeps doing things that donât make sense until Scott shows up saying people are gone and have been forgotten
Such as reaching out his hand for a tool, not from Dum-E but from a person in his lab
He keeps coming up with weapon/suit concepts that make no sense - does he want to give Natasha actual webs?
I can definitely see him spiraling back into his alcoholism
This is probably one of the factors that leads to Morgan
Throws himself into trying to make everything ânormalâ again by throwing as much money at it as possible
Obviously his Wanda-induced nightmares are back with a vengeance
Cloak doesnât get snapped with Stephen, so stays with Tony
Cloak and Nebula have semi-beef due to Cloak feeling the need to protect Tony and Nebula basically doing open-heart surgery on him while in space
Since he semi-comes into contact with the Soul stone on Titan, he can feel souls a little more
He can tell that DUM-E, U, Butterfingers, FRIDAY, etc are sentient
Cloak has a soul/is sentient
He knows before Pepper does that sheâs pregnant
This also causes him to spiral
I feel like this could be a cool way to add in other characters that donât get added till later in canon cause heâd be able to feel peopleâs relationshipâs/how they leave traces on each otherâs souls
Iâm thinking specifically of Yelena if thatâs not obvious
Yelena and Natasha deserve to be reunited
Who would freak out more about Natasha having a sister: Clint or Tony?
Stephen âs pov is mostly from inside of the Soul stone
He and some others (Tâchalla, Sam, Bucky, Hank, Janet, etc) take a leadership role and try to organize things as much as possible
Time works differently inside the stone
He parents the heck out of Peter and Cassie
He knows that thereâs a high possibility that heâll end up dating their dads
Also theyâre annoyingly adorable and persistent
He regrets introducing them slightly
Spies as much as he can on the outside world
Due to this maybe he accidently finds the TVAâs pocket-dimension??
I want Loki redemption so badly, I love him
He deserved it more than some of the others that got it (Iâm looking at you Thaddeus)
When they leave the Soul stone, Stephen is hightailing it to Scott and Tony
Heâs been waiting alone while theyâve been able to build at least a little bit of a relationship while working together
Maybe he and America kind of brush by each other as heâs looking out and sheâs hopping through?
This might also be a place to add in Donna and Victor
Like theyâre both dead but maybe their souls could visit Stephen since heâs in the Soul stone?
If weâre doing that though, I want Ben to visit Peter. I donât care if MCU Peter doesnât have an Uncle Ben, yes he does
Side note: I feel like Tâchalla in particular would have an affinity for navigating the Soul stone since his family/the Black Panthers are all connected, so like soul stuff?
Scott/Tony/Stephen is my personal endgame from this fic idea but I understand that not everyone would see that
Scott/Tony would happen while theyâre working on a solution for time travel
Stephen would be added after everything happens
Stephen definitely sees it all going down before hand, across multiple realities
Could be the âI-fell-for-you-before-we-even-knew-each-otherâ trope
As for Morgan, sheâs kind of a take or leave character for me since (to my knowledge) she doesnât really have a backstory or personality outside of being Tony and Pepperâs daughter
So Iâd personally have Morgan be a surprise pregnancy where Pepper and Tony sleep together one last time after he gets back to earth from the initial fight with Thanos (and is all healed up and everything)
Also Scott/Stephen/Tony to me would be hilarious as I would absolutely ply them with so many children/proteges
Cassie, Peter, Morgan, Harley, Ava, Nebula, Vision, Riri, America, others (are there others? Am I missing anyone?)
Or the fact that they all have weird side characters/compainions: the cloak, DUM-E, U, Butterfingers, FRIDAY, all of Scottâs ants
And can you imagine a meeting of their friends?????
Like hereâs the CEO of Stark Industries - one of the leading women in all of business - Virginia âPepperâ Potts, the head of security for SI, and Lt. Colonel James Rhodes
Stephen shows up with, maybe, Christine who while a cool lady, very civilian. And Wong â was the Sorcerer Supreme before Stephen came back, is the librarian for an ancient magic civilization
Then thereâs Luis, Kurt, and Dave. Luis would be having the time of his life. Hope may show up but 100% more to meet Pepper than anything else
She only knows emotions, he knows everything but emotions
They would be a very naĂŻve, innocent couple
They would teach each other
Screw Wanda â I am very much a Wanda hater, everything about Wanda/Vision was horrible because of her and her alone
Both Mantis and Vision are very childlike so I think theyâd have a very unique relationship that others wouldnât really understand
Like she would constantly be feeding him emotions or trying to feel for his emotions and he would tell her anything and everything
Outsiders think itâs a bit weird, possibly annoying or seemingly invasive, but itâs done with both of their full consent
Also imagine Vision explaining all his parental figures to Mantis who only had Ego since Ego definitely killed her mom/bearer once she was born
âOh yes, I was born from the combined work of Dr. Banner, Dr. Stark, Dr, Cho, Thor, Thanos, and Ultron. I think in relative practice to a family that would mean I have five fathers and one mother. Though I had to kill Ultron soon after my birth unfortunately.â
Sheâd be so surprised and intrigued
Also the fact that in my head/au Mantis is the Champion for the Mind stone which kind of keeps Vision alive could also be brought up (in a non-controlling relationship way)
No Bruce-Hulk hybrid, it was weird
Now if there is acknowledgement that Hulk is his own person and Bruce understands that, Iâll take it
I want everyone to remember that Hulk is like less than a decade old and one of his first memories is being shot at by the US military
Heâs allowed to be angry
Bruce should be nicer to him
âTime heistâ difference â Tony and Steve go to Vormir while Natasha and Clint go to 2012 New York
Steve punches the shit out of Red Skull
The Soul Stone kind of just appears for Tony since he is the champion
Natasha would be a more believable shield turncoat then Steve, but would also absolutely obliterate Brock and his men in that elevator
I feel like Clint couldâve done some acrobatic stuff to get away from stair-rampaging Hulk
Or he wouldâve, very delightfully, shot Loki so he wouldnât get away
All of Thanosâs âchildrenâ are the runts/ deformed of their species just like him
Lumphoids (Nebulaâs species) are typically (in the comics) about 12 feet tall and weighs 2 tons
Thatâs not exactly Nebula
I like the thought of Thanos in his twisted mind seeing it as merciful to take the runts of the species before/after delivering balance to them
Is this wholly based off of Nebula? Yes. Do I care? No
Thanos's whole balance is a courting gift to Death
I do not recognize Audrey Plaza's Lady Death, it complete fucks with everything Thanos stood for
So Hela, as the goddess of death, would be the one receiving these "gifts"
He's both creepy and he's taking her job
Also, I like the idea of Hela trying to instigate Ragnarok specifically to get soldiers from Valhalla to help her fight Thanos
Also also, Fenrir is Loki's child, I feel like that should have some impact on things
Hela is not happy that Thanos tries to/does kill Loki and tortures Thor
Only she is allowed to kill/torture her brothers
During the five years, I can 100% see Hela making fun of Thor for losing himself to grief
Maybe she takes over as queen instead of Brunhile/Valkerie?
Could you imagine Hela in the final battle against Thanos? It would be glorious
Chapter 3: Soul-Stone Scott â Scott is in the Quantum Realm and ends up in the Soul stone through a trade agreement (QR gets his body, SS gets his soul), he interacts with those snapped and they figure out the Soul stone wants him for something. The Soul stone wants a new host and has decided to use Scott. Canon events happen except Scott can see souls and ends up saving Tonyâs life
I love the idea of Scott having some connection to the stones, and even outside of my shipping of Scott/Tony/Stephen, the Soul or Time stones would make the most sense for Scott to have contact with due to his trip into the QR
Scott being like a stopgap between inside and outside the Soul stone could work so well for my ship though
This would probably effect Tonyâs champion status since Scott would have like first priority, so I would do it more of a temporary thing until the stones get their original forms back and Tony is still the Soulâs champion
But like Tony being the champion while Scott is/isholding the stone??? Could be cute
Chapter 4: Scott/Tony â Pre/during-IM1. Scott isnât in jail and helps build the Iron Man suit and repulsor tech. Events of IM2 happen before Scott eventually ends up in jail trying to take out his old job. Events of Avengers, IM3, AoU, and Ant-Man happen before theyâre reunited in Civil War but with Scott on Tonyâs side. Again, mostly canon events for Ant-Man and Wasp, Infinity Wars, and the beginning of Endgame. Scott and Tony fall together during the making of the quantum portal for the time heist, a years long inevitability. Instead of Steve going with Tony to get new particles and the Tesseract, Scott does.
This one is just general vibes for Scott/Tony
Shows off Scottâs intelligence in a way that I donât think a lot of people capitalize on
Chapter 8: Tearing at the seams â Time doesnât work as differently in the Quantum realm. Scott experiences all five years of pure isolation, and possibly more depending on how time dilations. The rat didnât get him out, he projected himself to people begging for help. He kind of goes insane. The healing fields become a part of Scott like they did Janet.
Again, I just really like the idea of Scott being affected by the QR
This also mentions that there are time vortexes isolating the healing fields from the rest of the QR, which could work with what I said above about Scott possibly having a connection to the Time stone
I donât know if I would make him experience all five years but maybe like five months or something, just to add some angst
Cause I mean Janet was in there for 30 years, so she shouldâve only experienced 30 hours if Scott only experienced 5 hours in 5 years, but she went in there in like her 30s or something and came out 60. Itâs not adding up