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I guess I'm just fearful of another Paris situation. A young girl uses the internet to explore their feelings and ask questions. The liberal nature of the conversation draws in liberald giving them a massive platform. Terfs find them and start providing answers ans slowly radicalize them. The content gets more and more terfy. Before you know it everything is just a mess.

There was another case of this with a creator that would make art with her hair suddenly just started spreading terf rhetoric. The libfem influencer to terf scapegoat pipeline is strong

That’s a good point! As much as the internet can help with feminist discussions, it can also hurt… probably more so nowadays.

You’re right to be wary. I know that painter you’re talking about 😭 fuck, that could totally happen to this girl… UGHHHHHH 😖

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I can never be a journalist because if trump said that to me i would break down in tears but also I would start screaming at him like no thank you.

I would love to see more men interviewing him. Its a fine line. On one side I dont believe women should be denied the opportunity to do their job just because the person being interviewed is a man. On the other side, I am exhausted seeing these female reporters be disrespected and shot down by the president over and over.

Media is a constructed form of reality. Every choice has an intent and purpose. The fact that these interviewers rarely have the balls to directly challenge him is very telling on the type of interviews that are approved by the administration. These interviews are scathing for the audience but rarely do the interviewers actually force him to admit anything or challenge in some way. Even in that clip she just lets him ramble on and on. And if the administration is only approving journalist who wont try to pry into him and feed into his ego I dont think its a stretch to say the also only seek out younger (than trump) female journalists within that category.

I find this administration has a launched a war on journalism which (if I can remember correctly) is a female dominated space. Journalism, communication, language studies, history, etc and job that directly centers around documenting and investing with language and communication. He attacks major news outlets and platforms (regardless of legitimacy) and built his platform on the idea of fake news. Its conspirtorial (is that how it is spelt idk) but I do feel they choose weak willed (?) women to interview him in order to show just how deceptive and unreliable they are. It not only targets journalism as a whole but women as trust worthy knowledge keepers. In this entire sector women should only function as mouth pieces to repeat what he says (re the white house correspondent)..

And no these interviews dont necessarily portray trump in a positive light expect they do. These interviews arent for us, they are for his supporters. We see an attempt at a takedown but they see Trump calling them out. They see Trump forcing a woman into submission and giving into him. It doesn't matter what we think it just needs to build confidence in his supports who already believe the things hes saying.

Also im not suggesting a good journalist would press Trump in a cube but they definitely would not just mumble or even beg him to stay for a bit long. I dont think they're bad at their jobs, just jot the kind of journalist that should be interviewing someone like Trump. The weakness is not because of gender but the specific dynamic that is represented in these interactions and the narratives they support on journalism and women

Good take! Trump and his team are definitely strategizing who he’s interviewing with to get the best outcome. They know he likes to berate people (women especially) so they’re picking based on who they know won’t bite back. Anything for the right soundbite/clip to make him look super mega epic.

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I tried writing a long ass post explaining my frustrations with this series but I gave up and deleted all of it. Its just libfem slop im sorry. This kind of musing only creates a culture that is ashamed of sex rather than confronting the patriarchy. We are humans and we will experience sexual attraction for a lot of reasons. A lot of the mundane this in the series can be categorized into one of the three categories: it reflects good/desirable sexual qualities (flexibility, athleticism, body shape), it is reminiscent of sexual acts (anything that involves phallic shaped objects or sperms like fluids) or it is associated with submissiveness (school girl uniforms etc). The last one is most connected with the patriarchy but the others are fairly normal for better or for worse.

The problem isnt the experiencing of sexual attraction or arousal but the response/action that follows. The moment you put the responsibility onto the other person to deal with your sexual desire, the moment you violate their personal consent and right to autonomy. That can range from catcall to slut shaming. Just because you find something sexy does not mean you have to make it everybody's problem. But thats what that patriarchy wants. It wants women to feel shame about the sexuality (in this case the capacity to be sexually desired) and the constantly be reminded that they are under observation. That they need to police themselves in order to gain some privilege or safety.

The issue with this style of feminism is that its more focused on shaming men for experiencing sexusl attraction in general by questioning every single sexual emotion they experience rather than questioning the patriarchal system that puts the onus on women for being sexually desired. We shouldnt be questioning people for experiencing their sexuality we should be questioning people on how they express that and the burden they put on the other person without their consent.

Also. I hate consent in relation to sex work. Its not consent its an agreement. I agree to give you a blow job and you agree to give me fifty dollars. It is a financial transaction. Consent means I give you permission. Im not giving anybody any permission. Permission requires context and the freedom of choice. I need 50 dollars. There's a reason companies cant force you to allow them to use your data for ai training and why they have to let you opt out. You agree to terms and conditions in order to use the platform, that's the exchange. You consent to them taking your cookies because you dont benefit for that shit. And they cant stop you from using the platform for saying no. Sex work is not the same thing as posting bikini pics on Instagram. Enough with the weak ass comparisons.

Idk im just tired on the empty musings of age old questions that 1001 feminists have already answered and explained. I have not seen the entire series (way to many posts. I can only listen to a British person for so long) so maybe at some point she starts to integrate actual feminist theory and answer these questions or maybe they just conclude men are pigs for experiencing erotic desire and need to be castrated alongside lesbians I guess.

And to be clear I completely understand the message behind this post. Just the other day a man randomly told me I have nice lips as a way of flirting and would not leave me alone. My lips were dry and cracked. Im black so I have big plump lips. I know what he was implying. If he just thought to himself "damn those lips would look good around my dick" I would not care because I am not a mind reader. But the fact he voiced them directly to me and tried to start a conversation even after I told him my name was Kevin. Thats the problem. Because now im involved.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!

I understand your frustration with the series - it gives you the impression that it demonizes the simple act of looking. I guess that is because the artist, and her many female fans, have learned to associate the look with danger because it usually precedes an inappropriate action.

I understand this association. It’s the learned result of living in a misogynistic society. To many women, sexualization means danger. So they have come to dislike being seen that way at all. I see the series as an expression of that.

The artist is young, at an age where a woman usually begins to understand this stuff and put it all together. I don’t blame her for not getting into the nuance yet (being that this sexualization is a specific kind constructed by patriarchy and not how sexuality “naturally” is). She’s still working it out. She’s in the space where she’s recognizing that her body is seen as inherently gendered and thus sexualized and thus degraded by most men. That she’s connected it with childlike traits tells me that she’s on the road to understanding the power dynamics behind this.

I’m not getting the impression that she’s become totally pessimistic about sexuality by assuming patriarchal sexuality is all there is. That’s what I see with Twitter radfems who say sex and desire as a whole is doomed. Granted, I haven’t seen all her videos so let me know if she’s said anything that indicates that.

Regarding this video specifically, it’s good that she understands why what she said in the other one was taken the wrong way. I guess she must’ve really misspoke. Glad to see she didn’t double down.

Sorry that was supposed to be anonymous but you can answer here.

No problem! Your message said:

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This is my issue with preaching celibacy. This idea that you'll be rewarded for waiting is not realistic. I am for women being more selective and maybe not necessarily sleeping with a guy just because but at the same time beating yourself up for something that didn't work out the way you'd have wanted is not the way either. I hope you'll understand my point...

Totally agree. A lot of people still see celibacy as some sort of heavenly virtue, like a period of self-discipline and minor suffering that will be repaid. Unfortunately that’s not the case!

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Thoughts? I am eprosnallg not fond of it but i am open to your perspective on the topic.

I read somewhere about how a lot feminist often view sex workers as dangerous or harmful because of the potential harm they can cause non sex workers. Essentially, prioritizing their feelings and safety over that of the sex worker. The sex worker becomes this anomaly where is both a woman but also not enough to be worthy of protection. A lot of theory and discourse is based on how sex work makes non sw women feel rather than on actual sex workers, how they feel and how they navigate these spaces.

I didnt do a good job of explaining that and I cant even remember the source but this video i find to be a good example of that phenomenon. The artist saw sex workers wanting her art and relating to it but at the same time didnt see them as women enough to conclude that they related to that painting as women. This art is meant to reflect how all women are forcibly sexualized by society yet an entire group of women who are directly impacted by this sexualization are questioned for wanting the participate. Theyre blamed because people believe their work causes this sexualization when in actuality their work is a manifestation of it.

Sex workers are often times at the forefront of this dehumanization and sexualization. Sex workers are not allowed to exist outside of the work they do. They are seen as inherently sexual things. Theyre not welcomed into certain spaces because of that inherent sexual aspect. For example, a lot of the comments take about stretching or generally exercising. If a know swer attends a yoga class she can face discrimination because her presence is not seen as a woman seeking exercise but as someone seeking to eroticize the practice. If she records herself just putting on makeup she is seen as deliberately sexualing these actions. So they are the ones who's entire existence is being sexualized to the point where they cant do anything. And this sexualization does not come from men but also other women who want to protect their innocence.

So, by framing swers as a cause of this increasingly sexualised image of women, you are excluding them from your definition of womanhood but also justifying the violence the experience. They are the ones tarnishing your good reputation and purity. They are the ones that are inviting men to sexualize you. Everything a sex worker does is so sexualized that even their desire to buy a painting is seen as sexual. They're not smart women who understand the message, they're dumb sluts who just see cunty pictures and want them. Theyre shallow and only concerned with their own happiness even if it's at the cost of every other woman.

Why does she assume that porn actresses are necessarily exempt from experiencing unwanted sexualization? As if that’s not something they constantly struggle with, both on and off set? Yeah I think that hints at some underlying misogyny against sex workers.

Why is Swift and Kelce’s marriage like a world event to some people 😭 this is so not normal

This is so important for too many people like their whole concept of love depends on it

do you think people have “free-speech” in the united states?

US is pretty huge on this concept because it’s how it justifies the flow of capital from the bourgeoisie to the government. Money = speech therefore you can’t limit it. So SCOTUS has been pretty consistent at protecting this right generally.

However that doesn’t mean this right can’t be revoked strategically by the state, especially in fascist times. Trump banning AP from the White House is an obvious attack at free speech.

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The uk is such an evil because why am I being forced to defend a serial child rapist?

Obviously this is another case of politicians finding the worst case scenario in order to justify over turning a law that has long been protect man persons. The uk has been targeting the windrush generation, countries demanding reparations, the middle east and of course Muslims. This case is the perfect excuse to rag on any of those groups and push anti immigrant policy.

I find it outrageous that they can even try and strip him of his citizenship. By 2012 he would have been in the uk for 39+ years since he would had to migrate before 1973. That is a uk citizen and a uk criminal through and through. What is the point of deporting him? I dont see why he lost his citizenship or why he needs to be deported. What does his actions have to do with his right to access the uk? Granted I've dealt with visas long enough to know why this happening and im not brave enough to say that these governments are wrong for wanting to deny criminals access to their countries. But before we let our emotions guide our reactions I think its best to sit and ask who will this law actually impact. Child rapists or immigrants?

Very good points

It’s scary to see the UK uncritically accept the same anti-immigrant rhetoric as the US. Is it not clear by Trump’s presidency that this can only lead to fascism? They try to attach it to rape to make it seem like a women’s issue when in reality it’s just about race and “brown men raping white men’s women”

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Not here to debate if this is Trans misogyny or not.

But somethinf I've noticed within fandom spaces is that whenever someone wants to express sexual desires for a character or person they often put themselves in the submissive position especially if that person is a woman. Like everybody wants to be fucked nobody wants to fuck. Youre only allowed to want to fuck somebody if its a cis man and you are not a cis man ie you topping them goes against traditional gender norms.

Being a bit too much here but wanting to pentrate someone during sex is seeing as wanting to dominate them or degrade them as a person so the moral thing is to want them to degrade you by having them penetrate or top you. The only time this idea is kind of diverged from is when its cis men that youre lusting after. Thats the only time youre allowed to want to either be degraded or to do the degrading because cis men cannot be degraded through sex.

So in the case of hunter, saying that you want to fuck her as a transwoman is seen as wanting to degrade her or even fetishizing her. The respectful thing to do when expressing sexual desire is to take the position of the degraded even though hunter (according to the replies) is a bottom and prefers bottoming.

I see it all the time across all fandoms like nobody wants to fuck anybody. Everybody wants to be fucked. Even when people arent talking explicitly about penetrative sex they are still in some way taking on a more submissive role in the fantasy.

LOL I love this Dworkin-esque analysis of fandom sexual politics !!

Could you recommend some articles and essays regarding U.S. involvement in Afghanistan? I’ve seen some feminists comment that the current situation in Afghanistan is due to the United States, and I’d like to know more about it.

Media coverage of the Taliban takeover of Kabul would lead most Americans to believe that U.S. involvement in Afghanistan began after 9/11,

What was the US military actually doing in Afghanistan for 20 years?

Doomscrolling through r/loveafterporn and reading the tragic posts by women partnered with porn-obsessed men… I can’t help but notice how the popular addiction narrative keeps letting these men off the hook. It makes it seem like they are weak souls hypnotized by excessive lust (note the religious term here) which completely ignores the cultural forces at work here. These men have accepted a very specific understanding of their sexuality as essentially masculine, i.e. uncontrollable and entirely dependent on the visual stimulus that porn brings. And that visual stimulus is not neutral, not just anything, but media characterized by a very particular ideology of women, one that supplies them as nothing more than sexual tools. But this is not analyzed in that addiction model, occluding the real problem at the core here (gender and misogyny). So these women stick by these men because it’s not their fault they’re addicted, they’re simply ill and at the mercy of these pathological impulses. And they end up posting on forums like these as they endure tremendous emotional suffering in the name of helping him “get clean.”

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I keep saying this!!!

Yup, just another way culture is anti-black!!

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I dont like this video. I dont like the language. I don't like the conclusion. I dont like the advice. I dont like the comments. I dont like any of it.

There is something very concerning here. Obviously men make these kinds of judgements about women all the time, theyre dangerous and if you cross them they will lie on you and everybody will believe them. But normally, when a man says that everybody is quick to question him or challenge that idea. Not always but a lot of the time. So why is it when a grown ass man says that about a 11-13 year old girl everybody is just in agreement? Furthermore, the amount of educators agreeing with him yet nobody can seem to point to the reasoning as to why people believe these girls (allegedly).

I think its interesting how all teachers have stories about how their careers almost got ruined by emotionally unstable teenage girls but also every teen has a story about one or two predatory teachers at their school.

Like what im hearing is, you got forced to go to some old dingy school and teach a bunch of dumbass low class kids and one of them made an inappropriate comment towards you and because the school didnt kick her out you felt your were in danger of a twelve old. You decided that she had a crush on you and was bound to become delusional about it and eventually when you respectfully reject her she will go crazy and accuse you of rape be youre just so young and a attractive that its inevitable.

Let's be so serious here. What do you think happens more often: a 12 year old getting so obsessed with her young teacher that she accuses him of grooming her and he immediately loses his career despite being innocent OR an adult man grooming and sexually abusing young female students and eventually getting caught?

Im sorry but the more I think about it the more I want to check hid hard drive. No way you've been teaching this long and still think that you were the one being wronged in the situation. Get fucked

“Students of the opposite sex” … does he mean girl children??

Humbert Humbert if he was a teacher vibes

Only one person in the comments asking what’s going on at home…

What is THE thing that leads to the radicalization of twitter radfems? Is it misogyny? Misandry? Transphobia? If you could pick one which would it be?

Transphobia. When you’re a transphobe and you want to be transphobic, you have to rub shoulders with the right wing extremists that dominate the hate train, so they end up spending time in Libs of TikTok and Kiwifarms type spaces where it’s easy to get radicalized.

It depends on the individual though. Any sort of right wing sympathies on their part can lead them to those communities.

thoughts on dean withers?

I don’t know much about him, I don’t watch him

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Culture culture culture

Caribbean anon here lol

In the caribbean its actually very rare to get married young. Most people will wait until their like in their 50s earliest. Baby daddies/baby mamas are rarely the first pick. Does not matter how many kids they have together. And the joke is a lot of women do this because they feel that getting married would stifle them. Like they want to be able to get up and leave whenever. Do they? No. But the option is there.

Im all for rihanna never marrying asap rocky. Like she wanted kids not a husband. So many women would have been saved if they just did not marry a man just because they have kids together. You don't have to legally bound yourself to a man just because you have kids together. Like if Rihanna decides shes done tomorrow then all she has to do is draw up a custody agreement and proceed.

And I find it so funny that people view shaming women for having kids outside of marriage as a feminist stance like marriage isnt the most criticized institution across all feminist discourse. Like I think we should be encouraging women to have kids without getting married and focus on developing stronger bonds with other women and raising their children as a community not latching onto a man because he happened to nut in you. If having kids with a man already ties you to him for now until eternity then why take it a step further and get married?

And I am assuming that they are also against divorce right? Because being married is whats important no? Having kids when youre not married to the father is the problem? So divorcing him should also be a nono.

Also what the fuck does Rihanna of all people gain from marriage? Rihanna. The billionaire with the massive music empire. Not to gas up a billionaire (eat the rich) but if anybody has a reason to not marry someone its her. Especially a broke ass like ASAP. If they get married he has claims to her finances, assets, businesses, properties, literally anything she owns he can claim. But if he's her baby daddy then its just custody. She takes primary so she wont even have to provide child support. If they get divorced she will be forced to pay alimony.

Look at cardi b. Look at Beyonce. Look at Kim Kardashian. Im sorry but there is nothing to gain from marrying a man.

Also the amount of people that think rihanna didnt have a choice in getting pregnant 😐. Do you really think asap rocky was the only person to successfully baby trap her? Do you really think she had no say in this? A billionaire in her thirties let some random name baby trap her? Really.

Is Rihanna a bird yes. But not because shes not married. Thats probably the smartest thing she did. A real bird would be married with 5

Omg I feel this exact same way. Rihanna’s got MONEY that she should keep for herself. Whenever people bring up that she’s unmarried, I’m like, “Good for her!”

They also try to frame her as a dumb little girl for “letting” ASAP get her pregnant/remaining unmarried like it’s only his choice. I’m pretty sure she’s doing exactly what she wants. They just don’t like her nontraditional choices.

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